Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

[candycorn]

please tell us how those liberal policies survived during so many republican administrations.

Well, see, there's this group of people we call "Congress". And, see, they make laws and control spending. And often, a large number of them are leftist Democrats.

It's almost like we don't live in a monarchy, or something.

Republicans never controlled Congress smoky?

Very seldom, and never in enough numbers to offset the continued presence of leftists, Cornball . . . as you would know if you were literate enough and sane enough to run a Google search instead of defining reality according to who you want to hate the most.

So they are responsible for liberal policies. PS smoky, the GOP presidents who held office the majors of the last 50 years signed off on all of those policies. Please keep on vaping though...it shows how dumb you are.

I was clearly too generous earlier when I identified you as organic tissue.

That you cannot counter the argument is not surprising smoky.

 

[DOTR]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

not sure what to make fun of you with first,,,your lack of knowledge as to what is right wing in this country or your lack of knowledge that its mostly the free market capitalism that is keeping us alive right now,,,

It's not a stretch to say the right always believes capitalist programs are always better than socialist programs. I'm just asking all those people where is the capital solution to this problem.

Now where have I seen this kind of talk before.....?

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Typical right wing point. Scary looking picture, but no idea what the caption might be.

It says what you say. Its communist propaganda..not just a scary looking picture. It attacks both religion and capitalism...like you do. Its a cunning poster in that the script imitates the script of Orthodox Icons.
I suppose this is why you people want to undermine history teaching. Thi isnt a "scary picture". This is a weapon of war used against free societies...and you parrot the dictators.

It says...

Top Caption: Priests help the capitalists and hinder the worker.
Bottom Caption "get out of the way (or "off you go")

On the right it says: "In the name of the Lord God:
submit, obey, do not kill"

On the left the priest are saying "In the name of the Lord God:
pacify slaves, make them submissive,"

And the top hat the repulsively bloody and fat leader is wearing? It is labeled "CAPITAL"

And BULLDOG moans "oh be still my heart..."


Any more questions?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The market climbed 149% under Obama. The blob’s market performance has been much less robust.

1) Obama started at bottom of Great Recession so huge V shaped climb was inevitable and still he had worst recovery in all of American History.

2) Now Obama and Democrats support Green New Deal Second Great Depression and Communist Revolution which makes Trump the second coming in comparison.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

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And the Feds are not competent to even RUN CONGRESS... Don't want more of that...

Exactly, a soviet monopoly will always be inefficient at best and genocidal on average.

Look at CDC. A tiny Germany company was making test kits the first week of January. CDC is only doing it now long after virus has spread widely.

 

[Desperado]

We are all experiencing a time of socialism the the dems want 24/7. Curfews, lock-downs, empty store shelves, gun sales bans and a pittance of a government subsidy. Welcome to Bernie and Biden's dream world.... Fuck Socialism

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

bringing jobs back is for wealthy or workers who need jobs?? Closing borders to 30 million illegals who take worker's jobs is for wealthy?? See why they say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

No but we see why you’re ignorance is so pronounced.

He seems to be some sort of troll who just stupidly repeats the same BS....

Well, he has ideology and political party mixed up. He first blames the democrats so when shown statistics of Republicans governing/leading for the majority of the last 50 years...he can’t counter it. He comes back with some pablum about liberalism. Which is not the case to start with. But I engage and ask how liberals got their agenda through Republican White House’s—forcing him to concede that he thinks republican Presidents we’re liberals—he punted and didn’t respond.

CEOs of organizations made the decisions to offshore jobs; the blob did it even though the cons here seldom ever admit it and when they do, they make hilarious excuses for it that always make me chuckle.

But here’s the thing. CEOs, as a group, are likely the least pro-tax, pro-regulation, pro-worker rights group on the planet. These are the men sending jobs to where it maximizes profit. Very few of them are liberals. The ignorance of Conservatives in this area and pronounced ignorance of blob supporters in every area is just amusing.

Show one example of Trump offshoring jobs (outsourcing)

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????Ok so Trump had his clothes made in China and that means we should enact the Green New Deal Second Great Depression and Communist Revolution or stick with Trump??

 

[pyetro]

Socialism, not free-market capitalism, will do most to help save lives and the economy during the coronavirus pandemic.

Donald Trump is running for reelection on an anti-socialist message. But the COVID-19 outbreak demonstrates the emptiness of ideological labels.

In Trump’s case, he may try to have it both ways: using socialism as a convenient campaign slogan, while battling the coronavirus with extraordinary measures comparable to what other modern presidents have done to beat back a crisis. Critics have panned his methods so far. As infections spread, he’s kept up his golf outings and fundraising schedule, while downplaying a virus that could have reached his outstretched hand: At CPAC, he greeted Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, who was in contact with the infected participant.

Trumpworld would like the 2020 general election to be a referendum on socialism; the Democrats want it to be a referendum on Trump. “We will have it out,” Kudlow said at CPAC. “President Trump is more than prepared to show the world why what he called … ‘the American model of free enterprise’ will whip socialism every time.”

Trump, though, is no doctrinaire economic conservative. His political brand is rooted in personality and celebrity, and he’s bent on capturing a second term. If he decides that the quickest path to quashing the coronavirus is activist, interventionist government, free-market doctrine is unlikely to get in his way. If there’s some dissonance in his reelection message and his practices, he’ll live with it.

There Are No Libertarians in an Epidemic - The Atlantic

Everyone's a Socialist in a Pandemic - The New York Times

People rating "funny" are already checking the mailbox for their free check from the federal government.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

They were helped along by record government spending and trillion dollar deficits.

Actually govt spending and deficits restrict private activity so inhibit economic growth, in any case the Democratic alternative is now communism which just slowly starved 150 human souls to death.

 

[2aguy]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

1) Every dollar the government is going to give out came from taxes raised on capitalist businesses....

2) Branson is donating his capitalist cruise ships if needed for hospital space....

3) Trump is cutting government red tape, in order to get the private sector the ability to create remedies.....

4) The malaria drug that might help people with the virus? A Pharma company donated 3 million capitalist created pills for the effort...

5) The capitalist food stores, trucking companies, warehouses, are keeping the American people fed and supplied...

6) GM is converting their Capitalist factories to produce more ventilators....

You doofus.........

Without capitalism, we would be sunk....

 

[2aguy]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

What was China Government solution to contain the spread of this Virus that they allowed to get out of hand?

Lie, deny and then blame someone else?

And seal the sick in buildings at gun point....and make the Doctors calling out the warning about the virus ...disappear.........

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Well, he has ideology and political party mixed up. He first blames the democrats so when shown statistics of Republicans governing/leading for the majority of the last 50 years...he can’t counter it.

Actually governments are split in America between Republicans and Democrats with the Democrats prevailing by a large margin given the huge growth in govt we have seen. 1+1=2

This is why Democrats now have the confidence to lead with the Green New Deal Second Great Depression and Communist Revolution.

 

[2aguy]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

Lets score your post, LIE, LIE, LIE, and LIE. Basically your OP is complete crap. Go crawl back under your bridge lib troll.

Lie? Are you saying the right and Trump supporters don't believe socialism is always bad? What capitalist solution do you think will work best?

The Capitalists are stepping up, the same way they did to fight the socialists in World War 2.....you doofus....and because they are from the free market, used to a high pressure, competitive market...they know how to get things done, through production, innovation and out of the box thinking...something socialists can't do and never will do....

 

[2aguy]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

More......you doofus....this thread is dead...

50 Ways Companies Are Giving Back During The Coronavirus Pandemic

Here are 50 Examples of Companies Doing Good For The World During This Corona Virus Pandemic:

1.Microsoft announced that they will keep paying the hourly workers who support their campus.

2.Google established a COVID-19 fund that enables all temporary staff and vendors, globally, to take paid sick leave if they have potential symptoms of COVID-19, or can’t come into work because they’re quarantined. They have also made their video conferencing service, Hangouts Meet, available for all G-suite customers until July 1, 2020.

3.Loom, a video recording and sharing service has made Loom Pro free for teachers and students at K-12 schools, universities, and educational institutions. They have also removed the recording limit on free plans and have cut the price for Loom Pro in half.

4.Mark Cuban announced that any of his employees (including those who work for the Mavericks) will be reimbursed for any lunch and coffee purchases from local, independent small businesses.

5.Forbes8 is hosting a free digital summit on March 20, 2020 under the theme of Business Resilience: Thriving in Crucial Times. The speaker roster includes top experts and best-selling authors such as Chris Brogan, Rohit Bhargava, and Dorie Clark. Many of the speakers were slated to speak at the cancelled SXSW this year.

6.Shine Distillery in Portland started making and giving away hand sanitizer in an acute shortage.

7.The Barbara Bush Foundation for Family Literacy’s in-house team of literacy and education experts has created a toolkit of high-quality online resources that can be used anytime, anywhere, helping parents navigate the vast amount of available options.

8.LinkedIn is opening up 16 of its learning courses for free. Courses that provide tips on how to stay productive, build relationships when you’re not face-to-face, use virtual meeting tools and balance family and work dynamics in a healthy way.

9.Jamm, an audio-visual communication tool used by remote and distributed teams is offering it free of charge.

10.Adobe is giving higher education and K-12 institutional customers of their Creative Cloud apps the ability to request temporary “at-home” access for their students and educators. This is being granted through May 31, 2020 at no additional cost and is available globally.

11.Meero, a file transfer service, is offering free large-file transfers to ease remote working.

12.OneDine is offering a free Tap & Pay Touchless Payment system to restaurants during the COVID-19 crisis.

13.Amazon is hiring 100,000 more workers and giving raises to current staff to deal with coronavirus demands.

14.Chef José Andrés of LA set up shop in California earlier this month to feed cruise ship guests quarantined from the outbreak. Andrés announced this week he will transform eight of his New York and Washington, DC, restaurants into community kitchens for those struggling during the pandemic.

15.Sweetgreen has announced it will start dedicating Outpost operations and teams to support “those on the front lines” (meaning hospital workers and medical personnel) by delivering free salads and bowls to hospitals in the cities it serves.

16.&Pizza’s CEO Michael Lastoria notified employees last week that the company is offering free, unlimited pizzas to them and their immediate families, as well as to hospital workers who show identification. The company is also raising hourly pay by $1 and 14 days of “health and safety pay” to employees who have tested positive or who have come in contact with someone with coronavirus.

17.Everytable, a Los Angeles-based café launched a helpline to ensure that everyone in its market has access to healthy meals during this time.

18.Starbucks has extended its mental health benefits. In partnership with Lyra Health, Starbucks is offering its partners personalized, confidential mental health care, 20 free in-person or video sessions every year for partners and each of their eligible family members, online scheduling with most providers available within two weeks, and access to a provider network of mental health therapists and coaches.

19.UberEats and DoorDash have waived commission fees for independent restaurant partners, while Postmates has launched a pilot program for small businesses that temporarily waives commission fees for businesses in the SF Bay Area.

20.Dolce & Gabbana announced that it has partnered with Humanitas University to fund a coronavirus research project.

21.Giorgio Armani has donated $1.43 million dollars to four hospitals in Rome and Milan, as well as to the Civil Protection Agency.

22.French luxury group Kering, which owns brands like Gucci and Bottega Veneta, has donated 2 million euros to help the fight against the coronavirus outbreak.

23.Miuccia Prada and Patrizio Bertelli, the CEO of Prada, came to the region's aid by donating two full intensive care and resuscitation units each to three Milanese hospitals.

24.Alphabet (Google’s parent company) created a COVID-19 fund to provide sick leave to affected workers globally, including all temporary staff, contractors, and vendors.

25.Amazon just announced that it will offer unlimited paid sick leave over the next month, but only for those who test positive for COVID-19.

26.Apple is now offering its retail staff unlimited paid sick leave to anyone experiencing coronavirus systems.

27.Darden Restaurants (Olive Garden, Longhorn Steakhouse, others) has announced paid sick leave for all of its hourly workers not currently covered by a corporate policy.

28.McDonald’s has stated that it will cover sick leave for any employees at corporate-owned locations who are asked to quarantine for two weeks.

29.Walmart has deployed an Emergency Leave program, which provides time-off for employees depending on various coronavirus threat levels.

30.Uber announced they will provide 14 days of sick pay for drivers or delivery workers – technically considered independent contractors who have not previously qualified for paid leave or benefits – who are sick with the coronavirus or are required to be isolated.

31.Amazon created a $25M fund to help its delivery drivers and seasonal workers cope with coronavirus, and a $5M dollar fund to help affected small businesses in Seattle.

32.Amazon and Microsoft have each pledged $2.5 million, with the possibility of more, to help out those afflicted by the disease in Seattle.

33.Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Bank of New York Mellon, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, State Street, and Wells Fargo have stopped all stock buybacks for the 2nd quarter in order to maintain their solvency and liquidity for customers during the outbreak.

34.Comcast, Charter, Verizon, Google, T-Mobile and Sprint have signed a pledge to keep Americans internet-connected for the next 60 days, even if people cannot afford to pay.

35.Delta’s CEO is forgoing his salary for the year to try and diminish layoffs.

36.Disney has closed its parks and cruises in response to coronavirus. They have promised to continue paying their employees during the closure, and will give refunds to all those who had planned on visiting.

37.Hilton is waiving cancellation fees to their hotels for people in coronavirus infected countries.

38.Salesforce has created a $1.5 million dollar coronavirus fund for affected citizens in San Francisco.

39.Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly has taken a 10% pay cut as a preliminary measure to offset the decreased demand for flights.

40.U-Haul has announced 30 days of free self-storage to all college students who have been impacted by schedule changes at their universities.

41.United’s CEO and President said they would forgo their base salaries until at least June 30.

42.Workday is giving their employees an additional 2 weeks of pay in order to help them during the coronavirus fallout.

43.Apple has closed all of its stores outside of Greater China, and will re-open in several weeks after an extensive deep cleaning. All employees will be paid for the duration of the closure.

44.Lululemon is closing all of their stores in North America and Europe for the next two weeks. Their employees will be paid for all of the hours they were scheduled to work.

45.REI is closing their stores until March 27th, and all of their employees will be paid during this temporary closure.

46.Starbucks has moved to a “to-go” model until the end of March in all of their U.S. and Canadian stores. They will also close stores in heavily infected areas.

47.VF Corp is closing all of their stores until April 5th. All of their employees will continue to get paid through the closure.

48. LVMH, the parent company of Christian Dior, Guerlain and Givenchy, wants to help French health authorities by manufacturing hand sanitizer and providing it to them for free. LVMH said it will use all the production facilities of its perfumes and cosmetics brands to produce large quantities of hydroalcoholic gel, or hand sanitizer, starting Monday.

49.NBCUniversal is now offering its newest movies including The Hunt and The Invisible Man for affordable rates on demand.

50.Restaurants like Ideal Bite Community Kitchen are donating food to organizations like Cass Community Social Services (CCSS), a nonprofit organization working with at-risk communities in Detroit.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But I engage and ask how liberals got their agenda through Republican White House’s—forcing him to concede that he thinks republican Presidents we’re liberals—he punted and didn’t respond.

Obviously, Democrats are prevailing because they are shifting the entire country, including Republicans, toward communism. Still confused??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

CEOs of organizations made the decisions to offshore jobs;

They have to do it to survive against foreign competition with lower wages and fewer regulations. 1+1=2. Trump got the worker's vote because he promised to fix it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

These are the men sending jobs to where it maximizes profit.

Econ 101: it does not maximize profits since competition can move there too putting everyone back in the same relative competitive position. Simple enough??

 

[Cecilie1200]

What Cornball is basically saying is that she knows the government is responsible, but she wants to blame the business owners, anyway.

Businessmen like your blob make decisions to offshore smoky

All you really just did was prove me right: you know the government is responsible, but you want to hate business owners, and especially Trump, far too much to believe that truth matters.

Congratulations on being the stupidest piece of organic tissue I've heard from this week. Around here, that's a high bar to clear.

Smoky, businessmen like your blob make decisions to offshore. Not the government

Cornball, you can say that until your dunce cap falls off your head. Won't change anything that's been said, or the facts at hand.

Im sure you can show me an act of Congress moving a job off shore, right smoky?

I'm sure I don't need to, Cornball, since I'm not required to make reality fit your two-dimensional childish viewpoint.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The actual definition of socialism is basically business is regulated by the community as a whole, .

there is always some regulation but socialism is when govt owns controls manages. Huge difference.

Well, the definition is actually when the community as a whole regulates business and the mechanism of distribution.

noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

So then, socialism is when they own, regulate, or redistribute the proceeds thereof???

However, in terms of this forum, socialism has taken on the meaning of the governments ability to redistribute wealth.

So then, socialism is when they own, regulate, or redistribute the proceeds thereof???

Of course that is meaningless since all govts do that to one degree or another.

 

[2aguy]

Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

More....

Firearms Industry Helping Struggling Businesses During Coronavirus National Emergency - The Truth About Guns

That means firearms industry companies aren’t getting financially battered like many American businesses and are in a fairly unique position to help out during the emergency. One smaller company that’s doing just that is CMMG, the Missouri-based maker of firearms like the Mk47 rifle, Resolute carbines and Banshee pistols and SBRs.

Starting today, CMMG is helping out two groups that have been hit hard. They’re buying food from local restaurants — a sector that can use all the help it can get these days — and feeding local first responders and medical personnel.

CMMG says that in addition to the benefit of helping others in their local area, they hope it will prompt others to do the same.

Here’s a press release from CMMG . . .

Starting Thursday, March 19th, CMMG will be providing lunch between 12:30pm – 1:30pm Central time, to all Boonville, MO first responders. The lunches will be purchased from local restaurants for the next two weeks. CMMG is taking it upon themselves to support local businesses and first responders during these unique times. Chris Reinkemeyer, CEO CMMG Inc said, “We hope this motivates and inspires others to do the same. In times like these, we get through things by supporting our neighbors and serving each other.”

Help Thy Neighbor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What the fuck are you talking about? this whole thing is being fixed by the free market.

Would that be a market free from government regulation or a market free from uncontrolled monopoly rent seeking?

All monopolies are caused by too much government power being purchased by monopoly seekers.

Government is the fucking problem. Every fucking time.

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All monopolies are caused by too much government power being purchased by monopoly seekers.

Government is the fucking problem. Every fucking time.

The best government money can buy is the problem. Capitalism creates vast private fortunes for a few who then use their money to bribe government for favorable economic policies.

The rich are the problem.

Use government to create an economic system that doesn't allow a few to prosper at the expense of the majority, and your problem is solved.

The best government money can buy is the problem. Capitalism creates vast private fortunes for a few

What about the vast fortunes of the few at the top of communist/socialist nations?