Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

[georgephillip]

Yeah, but the workers didn't get the profits. Especially the workers in the gulag.

Who got the profits from Jim Crow?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Capitalism is neither your friend nor enemy.

Wrong of course!

Republican capitalism is God's friend so ours too.

Under capitalism the most common words are: " how can I help you"

Under socialism the most common words are: "where is my free stuff."

Now you can see why Republican capitalism just saved another 60 million innocent souls from slowly starving to death under socialism in China.

If you don't understand please feel free to ask questions.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

When rich assholes can commit blatant fraud .

1) you are afraid to tell us the best example of this blatant fraud because you know we will laugh at your misunderstanding

2) many big financials went bankrupt with " rich assholes" totally wiped out. What planet have you been on??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

'capitalism' can be used to solve certain problems. It is most certainly not a panacea, not is 'socialism'.

what????? Ever heard of Cuba/Florida or East /West Germany, or USSR/ USA?? Please think before you post!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The argument has always been that there are people who needed help but that argument was dismissed until now.

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what are you talking about?? In 2008 Great Recession millions got help, and welfare state has always expanded because people needed help. Intelligent people understand that the more capitalism you have the more resources you have to help people truly in need.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No one is being forced to work anywhere. if you or anyone else does not want to work your employer cannot force you to do so.

no not true, most socialist countries had a "Parasite Tax" to try to prevent people from not working.
Even they understood that the economy would not function with too many leeches.

 

[gipper]

When rich assholes can commit blatant fraud .

1) you are afraid to tell us the best example of this blatant fraud because you know we will laugh at your misunderstanding

2) many big financials went bankrupt with " rich assholes" totally wiped out. What planet have you been on??

Really? Have you done ANY research on what took place leading up to the Great Recession? ANY?

Read this. It might help you understand.

Ten Years After the Crash, We've Learned Nothing

 

[pknopp]

The argument has always been that there are people who needed help but that argument was dismissed until now.

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what are you talking about?? In 2008 Great Recession millions got help, and welfare state has always expanded because people needed help. Intelligent people understand that the more capitalism you have the more resources you have to help people truly in need.[/QUOTE]

What has been done since 2008 has done nothing but make the wealth gap grow.

 

[gipper]

What the Soviets were good at was killing off tremendous numbers of their own soldiers through gross incompetence.

They were good at killing Nazis too.
In fact, they were much better at it than the US was.

France is wrong about who defeated the Nazis

Not in the early months of the war. German casualties were ridiculously low compared to the Red Army. Later in the war, the Soviets kicked ass.

 

[georgephillip]

Rose to power then the command economy used by Communists imploded

There's an old saying about building castles built on sand you might want to look up

A centrally planned economy is not foreign to the US:

And it's planned to reward speculation over production and saving.

Five Mega Wall Street Bank Stocks Have Lost Average of 45 Percent in Five Weeks

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What has been done since 2008 has done nothing but make the wealth gap grow.

True enough!! Our poor now live at about $70,000 income a year while much of the world's poor live at 750- $1000 per year.

 

[georgephillip]

What the Soviets were good at was killing off tremendous numbers of their own soldiers through gross incompetence.

They were good at killing Nazis too.
In fact, they were much better at it than the US was.

France is wrong about who defeated the Nazis

Not in the early months of the war. German casualties were ridiculously low compared to the Red Army. Later in the war, the Soviets kicked ass.

Not in the early months of the war. German casualties were ridiculously low compared to the Red Army. Later in the war, the Soviets kicked ass

I've heard after the initial German invasion a large Red Army was kept in the far east, possibly expecting a Japanese assault from that direction. When that didn't happen, millions of Soviet forces rushed to fight Nazis.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Read this. It might help you understand.

Sorry, don't take reading assignments from fools. Why not try to put into words what you think others don't understand. We can all post 1 million links to sites that prove we are right.

 

[westwall]

Name the economic system that will solve "social problems."

You can't fix envy.

You can't stop selfishness.

Socialism solves social problems like class division, for example. Capitalism divides the population into those who own the wealth and the means to produce wealth and the remaining 99% sell their labor to produce the 1%'s profits.

Under socialism productive employees would become more entitled to corporate profits than parasitic shareholders.

Those who produce the wealth should own it, right?

The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly: A Summary

"Here’s the basic formula you’ll find on financial statements:

"Capital Income + Retained earnings = Revenue – (Employee income + Cost of materials)

"Kelly uses some simple algebra to show that this formula could just as easily be re-written as:

"Employee income + Retained earnings = Revenue – (Capital income + Cost of materials)

"In other words, the company could just as easily be optimized to maximize employee income."

Name one social problem that socialism has fixed.

 

[westwall]

What the Soviets were good at was killing off tremendous numbers of their own soldiers through gross incompetence.

They were good at killing Nazis too.
In fact, they were much better at it than the US was.

France is wrong about who defeated the Nazis

The Soviets lost 25 MILLION fighting the Germans. The Germans lost 5 million fighting EVERYONE.

 

[pknopp]

What has been done since 2008 has done nothing but make the wealth gap grow.

True enough!! Our poor now live at about $70,000 income a year while much of the world's poor live at 750- $1000 per year.

There are a lot of people who live in some other reality than the one most live in.

 

[pknopp]

Name the economic system that will solve "social problems."

You can't fix envy.

You can't stop selfishness.

Socialism solves social problems like class division, for example. Capitalism divides the population into those who own the wealth and the means to produce wealth and the remaining 99% sell their labor to produce the 1%'s profits.

Under socialism productive employees would become more entitled to corporate profits than parasitic shareholders.

Those who produce the wealth should own it, right?

The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly: A Summary

"Here’s the basic formula you’ll find on financial statements:

"Capital Income + Retained earnings = Revenue – (Employee income + Cost of materials)

"Kelly uses some simple algebra to show that this formula could just as easily be re-written as:

"Employee income + Retained earnings = Revenue – (Capital income + Cost of materials)

"In other words, the company could just as easily be optimized to maximize employee income."

Name one social problem that socialism has fixed.

Everyone in Canada has health care.

 

[rightwinger]

Did y’all catch Trumps presser ? Whole lotta commie socialist talk going on. Tests for everyone ? Bailouts ? Billion dollar aid packages ?!?


When push comes to shove , socialist type programs ain’t so bad . Or should we rely on capitalism alone to save us with price gouging?

Italy's socialist medical system is responsible for the high number of deaths.

How so?

 

[georgephillip]

No socialism is the government taking ownership of businesses.

Socialism is when government gives airlines billions of dollars in bailouts AFTER said airlines have used 96% of their cash flow over the past decade for stock buybacks, iow. making the rich richer.

Unlike workers airlines can use their assets as collateral to borrow any funds they need to continue operating, or the government could simply nationalize commercial air travel?

 

[Blues Man]

No socialism is the government taking ownership of businesses.

Socialism is when government gives airlines billions of dollars in bailouts AFTER said airlines have used 96% of their cash flow over the past decade for stock buybacks, iow. making the rich richer.

Unlike workers airlines can use their assets as collateral to borrow any funds they need to continue operating, or the government could simply nationalize commercial air travel?

No that is crony capitalism

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