Someone wants to use the 14th Amendment to fix the 2024 election for Dems.

[elektra]

Only by their respective parties. The electors who are duly elected in the State wide vote for president can be certified winner by the state.

Not one of the fraudulent certificates say they were the Republican Parties duly elected ....... and they all said they represented their state, not their party. For example:

WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, being the duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President of the United States of America from the State of Wisconsin, do hereby certify the following:

There were no fraudulent certificates or electors.

Trump wanted Pence to dend the certificates back. That is your insurrection. A huge lie, so many simply believe the news.

 

[elektra]

No. Gore merely asked for all votes to be counted.

And thrown out, then recounted, then thrown out, and recounted, then thrown out then recounted.

Look, it is a hanging Chad, best to throw it out

 

[elektra]

Your thread is blowing up in your face because you forgot your own side has done far worse than anything any Dem has talked about doing.

like what?

 

[martybegan]

You’re the one backtracking from your original argument.

“it’s the same thing” is an excuse.

You accuse Dems if doing something (which they aren’t even doing just wrote an OpEd) your party did only far worse.

No, it's what happened, and what methods were used to try to fight the supposed fraud and fraud enabling.

It shows the mentality of the left, remove an entire party from power.

 

[martybegan]

LOL

You're funny. It's not up to you. The states decide who they put on their respective ballots.

They are limited to what they can do by the fact it is a federal election. It's why they lost or gave up those cases about Trump's tax returns.

 

[martybegan]

He won't be president, but I am not sure that he will be "gotten" and it certainly will not be me.

Considering what his opponent will probably be, good luck with that.

 

[Marener]

No, it's what happened, and what methods were used to try to fight the supposed fraud and fraud enabling.

It shows the mentality of the left, remove an entire party from power.

You weren’t fighting supposed fraud, like you admitted that was too hard. You were fighting procedural changes that you felt could cause fraud.

And because of your feelings, the party you slavishly support wanted to throw out tens of millions of votes from legitimate law abiding voters and have the courts decide the election instead of the people.

Sounds like a court mandated coup to me.

No one, not even the single individual person who merely wrote the OpEd, is removing an entire party from power. Even if some Republicans were removed from the ballot, voters would have every opportunity to replace them with other republicans.

What Trump and Republicans actually did was far worse than anything this one Dem merely talked about doing.

 

[Marener]

And thrown out, then recounted, then thrown out, and recounted, then thrown out then recounted.

Look, it is a hanging Chad, best to throw it out

You’re mistaken. Bush wanted ballots thrown out. Gore wanted them counted.

Bush won. Florida excluded tens of thousands of ballots that the machines didn’t read instead of doing a hand recount to include those discarded votes.

 

[Dagosa]

You’re mistaken. Bush wanted ballots thrown out. Gore wanted them counted.

Bush won. Florida excluded tens of thousands of ballots that the machines didn’t read instead of doing a hand recount to include those discarded votes.

Later, the ballots not machine counted were counted after the fact. When including these ballots, Gore won.

 

[Marener]

Later, the ballots not machine counted were counted after the fact. When including these ballots, Gore won.

Depends on what standards you use to count ballots.

 

[elektra]

You’re mistaken. Bush wanted ballots thrown out. Gore wanted them counted.

Bush won. Florida excluded tens of thousands of ballots that the machines didn’t read instead of doing a hand recount to include those discarded votes.

Gore wanted the entire overseas military votes thrown out.

A hand recount of those votes had Bush winning and expanding his lead.

 

[Dagosa]

Depends on what standards you use to count ballots.

Yup…..
The machines didn’t count them for a reason.

 

[martybegan]

You weren’t fighting supposed fraud, like you admitted that was too hard. You were fighting procedural changes that you felt could cause fraud.

And because of your feelings, the party you slavishly support wanted to throw out tens of millions of votes from legitimate law abiding voters and have the courts decide the election instead of the people.

Sounds like a court mandated coup to me.

No one, not even the single individual person who merely wrote the OpEd, is removing an entire party from power. Even if some Republicans were removed from the ballot, voters would have every opportunity to replace them with other republicans.

What Trump and Republicans actually did was far worse than anything this one Dem merely talked about doing.

No, that fighting the procedure to allow fraud first was easier. The evidence of the procedures being changed improperly was out there for all to see, but ignored by the State. Fighting fraud directly would be better, but of course fraudsters work hard to hide their fraud, or at least hard enough for lemmings like you to dismiss any circumstantial evidence pointing to fraud.

Fraud should be rewarded? Making fraud easier should be rewarded?

Not if the removal happened right before the election......

 

[Dagosa]

No, that fighting the procedure to allow fraud first was easier. The evidence of the procedures being changed improperly was out there for all to see, but ignored by the State. Fighting fraud directly would be better, but of course fraudsters work hard to hide their fraud, or at least hard enough for lemmings like you to dismiss any circumstantial evidence pointing to fraud.

Fraud should be rewarded? Making fraud easier should be rewarded?

Not if the removal happened right before the election......

Fighting fraud using traditional methods has worked for decades. We manage to catch the frauds. It’s real simply. This is why we have voter registration and don’t need voter IDs when you actually vote. It works and moves the voting process quickly and with the security necessary. It’s hard to commit organized voter fraud and not get caught….

 

[martybegan]

Fighting fraud using traditional methods has worked for decades. We manage to catch the frauds.

The little fish and the idiots.

You probably still believe OJ is innocent.

 

[BlindBoo]

There were no fraudulent certificates or electors.

Trump wanted Pence to dend the certificates back. That is your insurrection. A huge lie, so many simply believe the news.

5 out of the 7 were based on the fraudulent claim that their side won the election of their respective state.

The president of the Senate, and or master of ceremony, who ever it is, doesn't have that authority. Only Congress has the statutory authority to vote on a valid objection. If both chambers agree and vote on it then and only then can it be considered.

 

[Marener]

Gore wanted the entire overseas military votes thrown out.

A hand recount of those votes had Bush winning and expanding his lead.

That’s not true at all.

Gore asked for a small amount of overseas ballots who arrived after the deadline to be thrown out. Technically that’s what the law would require. After public blowback, he changed his mind and dropped the suit.

A hand recount had different outcomes depending on what standards were used to count the ballots.

 

[Marener]

No, that fighting the procedure to allow fraud first was easier. The evidence of the procedures being changed improperly was out there for all to see, but ignored by the State. Fighting fraud directly would be better, but of course fraudsters work hard to hide their fraud, or at least hard enough for lemmings like you to dismiss any circumstantial evidence pointing to fraud.

Fraud should be rewarded? Making fraud easier should be rewarded?

Not if the removal happened right before the election......

You fight procedures before the election. Not after. Like you said, the procedure changes were there for all to see. There was ample opportunity to address it before the election. He didn’t.

You don’t disenfranchise people after the election for following the rules in order to declare yourself the winner. That would be a coup.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Start the shooting coward ...

You don’t want that tuff-guy…every time the shooting starts you cry like bitches about our AR-15’s.

 

[martybegan]

You fight procedures before the election. Not after. Like you said, the procedure changes were there for all to see. There was ample opportunity to address it before the election. He didn’t.

You don’t disenfranchise people after the election for following the rules in order to declare yourself the winner. That would be a coup.

They were changed on the fly right before the election, and then you don't have standing according to the courts.

How do you fight it if the courts won't hear it due to standing?

You don't reward rule breaking and cheating.