"startling new details"

[tinydancer]

And then on top of this insane idea to have a Libyan militia be the so called security force for the Ambassador, they went on strike and notified the State Department they wouldn't guard him at this most crucial of all time periods.

Special. Just special. You just can't make shit up like this.

Militia Hired by State Dept. Warned It Wouldn’t Protect Stevens’ Movements in Benghazi

(CNSNews.com) - The February 17th Martyrs Brigade, a Benghazi-based militia with Islamist elements that the State Department hired as a “quick reaction force” (QRF) to protect the department’s mission in Benghazi, warned the State Department that it would not protect the movements of Amb. Chris Stevens when he visited there last September.

That warning was relayed to the regional security officer (RSO) at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli--the top security adviser to the ambassador--in an internal State Department email dated Sept. 9, 2012.

That was one day before Stevens departed Tripoli for Benghazi--for what was scheduled to be a five-day visit.

“[O]n September 8, 2012, just days before Ambassador Stevens arrived in Benghazi, the February 17 Martyrs Brigade told State Department officials that the group would no longer support U.S. movements in the city, including the Ambassador’s visit,” said a report on Benghazi released last week by the chairmen of the House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence, Oversight, Judiciary and Armed Services committees.

In a footnote, the report attributed this information to an “Email from Alec Henderson to John B. Martinec, ‘RE: Benghazi QRF agreement,’ (Sep. 9, 2012 11:31 PM).”

The fact that the militia gave the State Department prior warning that it would not support the ambassador’s movements in Benghazi raises new questions about the way the department handled security in Benghazi and its subsequent unwillingness to make department personnel available to congressional committees that are investigating the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack.

Militia Hired by State Dept. Warned It Wouldn?t Protect Stevens? Movements in Benghazi | CNS News

 

[jasonnfree]

only to nutters....

I'm sure Ambassador Stevens widow would like to be privy to the truth of what happened to her husband that night.

Ditto the other relatives and friends of the victims.

Well... victims of the terror attack on USS Liberty and the murder of 34 American service members are still waiting for answers.

Republicans don't care. If the Israelis had been successful in sinking the Liberty, the true believers on this forum would still pledge their allegiance to Israel. They'll cry out for austerity for ordinary Americans but do you ever hear them call for cuts to aid for Israel?

 

[jasonnfree]

Benghazi is BS. Hillary fell on her head and forgot why it does matter, So what.

What the war criminal Obama should be being investigated for is the war crime of the drone program. He should be up for charges for the killing of at least 3 Americans which may have been terrorists or not. One has to trust the same CIA that was torturing people and the left really didn't like that much. But worse of all Obama's program killed a 16 year old American who was not a terrorist and was not in he company of a terrorist. THAT should get Obama before the Hague but apparently the world don't care.

What's killing a few here and there after the bush reign of terror?
I'm talking proportion. A few dead here and there by Obama compared to hundreds of thousands by bush. You true believers sure like your murderers as long as they're republicans.

 

[freedombecki]

Oh? So it is your belief that ther was some effort to protect them that was taken -- but which just, sadly, fell a little short of that objective?

Pray tell.

What was done?

You see that "two of the four Americans killed that night died hours after the first attack began"?

Those two were part of a rescue team sent in to help. tinydancer and other piss drinkers like yourself have to constantly wipe that part from their memories when this is explained to them.

The consulate attack was over in minutes. There was no way the first two who were killed could have been saved by a rescue team. None. Zip. Zilch. Impossible.

The CIA annex responded within 20 minutes of hearing of the attack. They sent a rescue team to the consulate and picked up the survivors and brought them back to the annex.

Two lies have been manufactured just around these simple facts. One: "Obama watched as the Ambassador died". Two: "A seven hour battle at the consulate".

The attack on the consulate was over in minutes. Clearly, the liars are not the slightest bit interested in the truth.

Moving on, a rescue team from Tripoli arrived at the annex. Got that? A rescue team was sent from Tripoli to help. Let that FACT sink in.

Seven and a half hours after the consulate attack, a second attack occurred at a separate location. The annex. And during this attack, two of the rescuers were killed.

Now let THAT sink in.

You fucking idiots keep claiming there were "stand down orders" and that no help was sent and then you wail and gnash your teeth in faux outrage over a couple of guys FROM THE RESCUE TEAM who died!

Fucking. Amazing. How do you flip flop all this shit around in your skulls without suffering serious cognitive dissonance?

Oh, yeah. You have to be cognitive first...

A second rescue team was also forming up in Tripoli. Their plan was to board a Libyan C-130.

Got that? A C-130 that belonged to the Libyans. And that means they needed permission from the Libyan government to use that plane.

A State Department official busted his ass trying to get authorization from the appropriate Libyan authorities.

However, he did not get permission before the C-130 left, and so the second rescue team was told they could not go on that plane. "You can't go now." But the assholes who want to perpetuate the "stand down order" MYTH, truncate that to "you can't go". A HUGE lie of omission.

This has been manufactured into a "stand down order" by idiots who have no clue how the military works. They don't know what a stand down order is. They are misusing the term.

You only hear idiot politicians and yellow journalists using that term. Read the testimony. Only an asshole politician uses it, and he totally misuses it.

The second rescue team was finally able to get on another plane and fly to Benghazi, but they were too late.

Now let THOSE "startling new details" sink into your thick heads.

So what do we have from the shitbirds? Several lies. Obama dispassionately watching the Ambassador die through the lens of a drone. No rescue team sent. A stand down order.

You would have to be a special kind of idiot to believe these people are after the truth. You fools have weaved an entirely false fantasy surrounding the events which actually occurred.

uhm hello the 2 seals that died disobeyed orders to go to the Consulate, they weren't "sent", so you're yourself engaging in inaccurate language and portrayal of the event.........I thought that was common knowledge....


Oh and the consulate attack/battle from approx. 942 pm until approx. 1120 pm.....it wasn't over in "minutes"...
BBC News - Benghazi US consulate attack: Timeline



and as far as "stand down", no it wasn't a politician that coined that phrase, it was-

Original article: Here's something that could alter the discussion on the attacks in Benghazi: According to Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin, CIA operators on the scene repeatedly transmitted requests for military backup but were denied by U.S. officials. Not only that but the CIA operatives were also told twice to "stand down" rather than assist U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens after shots were heard at about 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

CIA Denies Calling Off Backup in Benghazi - John Hudson - The Atlantic Wire


If you are calling Griffin a yellow journalist, well she quoted it, which in common parlance means shes quoting her source, and as we have seen sources have been scarce as to coming out and telling their stories.......it may be true and then, it may not, I suspect we will be getting clearer explanations and more detail.

for your perusal-

The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound “when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, ‘you can’t go now, you don’t have the authority to go now.’ And so they missed the flight … They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it.”…

Whistle-blower: Benghazi rescue team told to stand down before second deadly attack | WashingtonExaminer.com

now as far as getting off the ground in tripoli, could you link to that snip, ala permission from Libya to use that aircraft? I'd like to see the time-line and personnel involved in that....aside from Lt. Col. Gibson...

And I will say straight away; if its your contention that it was more important to secure Libyan permission and collaborating with the Libyan "government" in getting there ( a gov. btw, that was supposed to be providing security support for Stevens btw) ' after sptting a multinational civil war, bombing and assisting them which resulted in the assassination of Qaddafi, while the consulate is actively under siege, well, I find the postulation that we had to defer to the Libyan gov. ridiculous.

Thank you for shedding the truth of what happened in Benghazi, Trajan. I'm glad the House is going to clear up this mess with a public hearing. The American people are sick and tired of being lied to by people in this administration covering Obama's butt.

The American people are tired of Hillary Clinton's make-believe baloney. She needs ushering out of American politics on a permanent basis. She and Obama were the Divisive Duo, and this nation has suffered enough wasted time and malarkey every time they lie to make themselves look good.

There is ample evidence to show these people are not fit to be leaders of the free world, because they have difficulties owning the truth, and cover one obfuscation with another, over and over.

 

[freedombecki]

Benghazi is BS. Hillary fell on her head and forgot why it does matter, So what.

What the war criminal Obama should be being investigated for is the war crime of the drone program. He should be up for charges for the killing of at least 3 Americans which may have been terrorists or not. One has to trust the same CIA that was torturing people and the left really didn't like that much. But worse of all Obama's program killed a 16 year old American who was not a terrorist and was not in he company of a terrorist. THAT should get Obama before the Hague but apparently the world don't care.

What's killing a few here and there after the bush reign of terror?
I'm talking proportion. A few dead here and there by Obama compared to hundreds of thousands by bush. You true believers sure like your murderers as long as they're republicans.

It wasn't Bush, it was the leftist lockstep press like Dan Rather rubberstamping no-good lies on a constant basis that dogged a man who did a reasonably good job, considering the junk that was thrown at him from the minute he announced up until, well, your post of zero probity.

 

[Trajan]

only to nutters....

Oh? So it is your belief that ther was some effort to protect them that was taken -- but which just, sadly, fell a little short of that objective?

Pray tell.

What was done?

You see that "two of the four Americans killed that night died hours after the first attack began"?

Those two were part of a rescue team sent in to help. tinydancer and other piss drinkers like yourself have to constantly wipe that part from their memories when this is explained to them.

The consulate attack was over in minutes. There was no way the first two who were killed could have been saved by a rescue team. None. Zip. Zilch. Impossible.

The CIA annex responded within 20 minutes of hearing of the attack. They sent a rescue team to the consulate and picked up the survivors and brought them back to the annex.

Two lies have been manufactured just around these simple facts. One: "Obama watched as the Ambassador died". Two: "A seven hour battle at the consulate".

The attack on the consulate was over in minutes. Clearly, the liars are not the slightest bit interested in the truth.

Moving on, a rescue team from Tripoli arrived at the annex. Got that? A rescue team was sent from Tripoli to help. Let that FACT sink in.

Seven and a half hours after the consulate attack, a second attack occurred at a separate location. The annex. And during this attack, two of the rescuers were killed.

Now let THAT sink in.

You fucking idiots keep claiming there were "stand down orders" and that no help was sent and then you wail and gnash your teeth in faux outrage over a couple of guys FROM THE RESCUE TEAM who died!

Fucking. Amazing. How do you flip flop all this shit around in your skulls without suffering serious cognitive dissonance?

Oh, yeah. You have to be cognitive first...

A second rescue team was also forming up in Tripoli. Their plan was to board a Libyan C-130.

Got that? A C-130 that belonged to the Libyans. And that means they needed permission from the Libyan government to use that plane.

A State Department official busted his ass trying to get authorization from the appropriate Libyan authorities.

However, he did not get permission before the C-130 left, and so the second rescue team was told they could not go on that plane. "You can't go now." But the assholes who want to perpetuate the "stand down order" MYTH, truncate that to "you can't go". A HUGE lie of omission.

This has been manufactured into a "stand down order" by idiots who have no clue how the military works. They don't know what a stand down order is. They are misusing the term.

You only hear idiot politicians and yellow journalists using that term. Read the testimony. Only an asshole politician uses it, and he totally misuses it.

The second rescue team was finally able to get on another plane and fly to Benghazi, but they were too late.

Now let THOSE "startling new details" sink into your thick heads.

So what do we have from the shitbirds? Several lies. Obama dispassionately watching the Ambassador die through the lens of a drone. No rescue team sent. A stand down order.

You would have to be a special kind of idiot to believe these people are after the truth. You fools have weaved an entirely false fantasy surrounding the events which actually occurred.

A second rescue team was also forming up in Tripoli. Their plan was to board a Libyan C-130.

Got that? A C-130 that belonged to the Libyans. And that means they needed permission from the Libyan government to use that plane.

A State Department official busted his ass trying to get authorization from the appropriate Libyan authorities.

However, he did not get permission before the C-130 left, and so the second rescue team was told they could not go on that plane. "You can't go now." But the assholes who want to perpetuate the "stand down order" MYTH, truncate that to "you can't go". A HUGE lie of omission.

Update from the hearing today-


according to Hicks, ( he was asked by a congressman at the hearing) if the US had asked permission from the Libyans to fly a military mission in its airspace and he said no, but believed they would have granted it....


until if or any rebuttal is made, there was no permission sought....and to be fair, he may not know all there is to know, and indeed the request may have been made, but as it stands, that did not prevent the plane from taking the team to Benghazi....

 

[Trajan]

???

 

[buckeye45_73]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Which ones do you have questions on?

 

[candycorn]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Which ones do you have questions on?

How after the 4th attack, he could allow 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?
How the righties can say Obama "allowed" a terrorist attack but say Bush didn't?
Where your outrage was for 5-10?
Why the pepetrators of the attacks in some cases were not caught.
Why the masterminds of the attacks in some cases were not caught.
Where your outrage was for so many unpunished perps.
Where your outrage was when David Foy was killed and nobody in Washington was held to account?
Where the Congressional hearings were for all of these attacks.
Where the "liberal media" was in covering the attacks; I don't recall them breaking into regulary scheduled programming.
Where your outrage was that the media wasn't breaking into normal coverage of a witch-hunt

Get busy on those sonny.

I have some more but your homework has been assigned.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Which ones do you have questions on?

How after the 4th attack, he could allow 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?
How the righties can say Obama "allowed" a terrorist attack but say Bush didn't?
Where your outrage was for 5-10?
Why the pepetrators of the attacks in some cases were not caught.
Why the masterminds of the attacks in some cases were not caught.
Where your outrage was for so many unpunished perps.
Where your outrage was when David Foy was killed and nobody in Washington was held to account?
Where the Congressional hearings were for all of these attacks.
Where the "liberal media" was in covering the attacks; I don't recall them breaking into regulary scheduled programming.
Where your outrage was that the media wasn't breaking into normal coverage of a witch-hunt

Get busy on those sonny.

I have some more but your homework has been assigned.

All of your list of pointlesses have already been addressed, corny.

NONE of the attacks you urgently and desperately point to are validly comparable to what happened in Benghazi.

And you know it.

If Abdul bin Kamelfukah attacks a consular office by way of getting physically close enough to plant a bomb (or to be the bomb with some vest), that is not an ongoing "attack" like the one in Benghazi. You are missing the analog in your would-be analogy, Corky.

Let's get you illogical lolberals to START trying to be fair, logical and honest for a refreshing change of pace. If you wish to make a claim that "A" is analogous to "B," then from now on, start by demonstrating the BASIS for the ANALOGY. It would help you formulate a better argument if you could do it -- and it might stop you from making all of your irrational, dishonest and frankly dopey arguments in the first place. The bright side is you might stop looking so dishonest, stupid and desperate.

Ya know, it really IS ok to admit that your Obamessiah fucked this up as did Shrillary, and others.

 

[bodecea]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Gee, you're right. The Democrats and "their" media never ever let that happen during Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr's presidencies..........

 

[IlarMeilyr]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Gee, you're right. The Democrats and "their" media never ever let that happen during Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr's presidencies..........

^ bodecea's disconnect from reality is made clear.

It looks like she thinks the press/media take on Obama the same way they ALWAYS took on those prior Presidents who happened to be Republicans.

bodecea is so fully dishonest that she is now immune to any embarrassment she should feel as a result of making a complete and obvious fool of herself by those idiotic claims she makes.

Sorry, Petey, but you are obviously totally full of shit.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

I think it is startling that Republicans cut embassy security budgets and then fail to mention that in any of their witch hunt activities.

Cutting the budget means they'll have fewer olives in their martinis. It doesn't mean refusing help when Americans are under attack.

 

[bodecea]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Gee, you're right. The Democrats and "their" media never ever let that happen during Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr's presidencies..........

^ bodecea's disconnect from reality is made clear.

It looks like she thinks the press/media take on Obama the same way they ALWAYS took on those prior Presidents who happened to be Republicans.

bodecea is so fully dishonest that she is now immune to any embarrassment she should feel as a result of making a complete and obvious fool of herself by those idiotic claims she makes.

Sorry, Petey, but you are obviously totally full of shit.

How many embassy attacks during Reagan, Bush Sr/Bush Jr terms?

How many congressional investigations over those attacks?

I would like to see if anyone else would like to come up with those numbers.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Gee, you're right. The Democrats and "their" media never ever let that happen during Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr's presidencies..........

^ bodecea's disconnect from reality is made clear.

It looks like she thinks the press/media take on Obama the same way they ALWAYS took on those prior Presidents who happened to be Republicans.

bodecea is so fully dishonest that she is now immune to any embarrassment she should feel as a result of making a complete and obvious fool of herself by those idiotic claims she makes.

Sorry, Petey, but you are obviously totally full of shit.

How many embassy attacks during Reagan, Bush Sr/Bush Jr terms?

How many congressional investigations over those attacks?

I would like to see if anyone else would like to come up with those numbers.

Because (your suppressed premise needs to get out and be seen in the light of day) --

the prior attacks were validly analogous to the Benghazi attack.

Right, Petey?

 

[Amelia]

Which ones do you have questions on?

How after the 4th attack, he could allow 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?
How the righties can say Obama "allowed" a terrorist attack but say Bush didn't?
Where your outrage was for 5-10?
Why the pepetrators of the attacks in some cases were not caught.
Why the masterminds of the attacks in some cases were not caught.
Where your outrage was for so many unpunished perps.
Where your outrage was when David Foy was killed and nobody in Washington was held to account?
Where the Congressional hearings were for all of these attacks.
Where the "liberal media" was in covering the attacks; I don't recall them breaking into regulary scheduled programming.
Where your outrage was that the media wasn't breaking into normal coverage of a witch-hunt

Get busy on those sonny.

I have some more but your homework has been assigned.

All of your list of pointlesses have already been addressed, corny.

NONE of the attacks you urgently and desperately point to are validly comparable to what happened in Benghazi.

And you know it.

If Abdul bin Kamelfukah attacks a consular office by way of getting physically close enough to plant a bomb (or to be the bomb with some vest), that is not an ongoing "attack" like the one in Benghazi. You are missing the analog in your would-be analogy, Corky.

Let's get you illogical lolberals to START trying to be fair, logical and honest for a refreshing change of pace. If you wish to make a claim that "A" is analogous to "B," then from now on, start by demonstrating the BASIS for the ANALOGY. It would help you formulate a better argument if you could do it -- and it might stop you from making all of your irrational, dishonest and frankly dopey arguments in the first place. The bright side is you might stop looking so dishonest, stupid and desperate.

Ya know, it really IS ok to admit that your Obamessiah fucked this up as did Shrillary, and others.

qft

 

[Sallow]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

It's astounding you post this after the invasion, slaughter, conquering and nation building done in Iraq.

It was a war crime.

And absolutely nothing happened to anyone who perpetrated it.

 

[Sallow]

^ bodecea's disconnect from reality is made clear.

It looks like she thinks the press/media take on Obama the same way they ALWAYS took on those prior Presidents who happened to be Republicans.

bodecea is so fully dishonest that she is now immune to any embarrassment she should feel as a result of making a complete and obvious fool of herself by those idiotic claims she makes.

Sorry, Petey, but you are obviously totally full of shit.

How many embassy attacks during Reagan, Bush Sr/Bush Jr terms?

How many congressional investigations over those attacks?

I would like to see if anyone else would like to come up with those numbers.

Because (your suppressed premise needs to get out and be seen in the light of day) --

the prior attacks were validly analogous to the Benghazi attack.

Right, Petey?

Well yeah..they were.

There are some subtle differences..but over all..

But to be honest..the attacks that happened during the Reagan and Bush administrations paled in comparison to Iran/Contra and the Invasion of Iraq.

Neither which resulted in any consequences to the people who authored them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Face the Nation transcripts May 5, 2013: Benghazi and gay athletes - Issa, Rogers, Ruppersberger - CBS News


I'm startled. Startled.

How about you?

Bob Schieffer: Today only on Face the Nation, startling new details about the Benghazi attack from the number two American official in Libya and the impact of gay athletes on American sports and American life. It's been almost eight months since the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that killed us ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. We'll get new details today and more insight into the stunning contradictions between the president of Libya and Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice when they appeared after the attack on Face the Nation.

Bob Schieffer's claim to be surprised by revelations about Benghazi at this late date is a self-indictment for not being a diligent member of the fourth estate. And why was the media so lax? Hmmmmm .....

What's really funny is the compilation of 'fast breaking new developments that will hang Obama' from fux. Cowardly rw's won't watch it but its on his web site. Synopsis: fux lied over and over and over and over and over and over. IOW, nothing new from fux. LOL

But, here's a little factoid for ya'll to deny.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

It's astounding you post this after the invasion, slaughter, conquering and nation building done in Iraq.

It was a war crime.

And absolutely nothing happened to anyone who perpetrated it.

That's because your premise is wrong. It did require an invasion, but there was no slaughter and there was no conquering, nor was it nation building. It was not a war crime and nothing should have happened to our leaders over it. It wasn't "perpetrated." It was military action which remains quite justified even if we never did find the WMDs (which was only one of the reasons Congress authorized the action, anyway).