States banning Sharia Law

A little talked about issue that raises extremely serious sovereignty concerns is the wording of the Oklahoma measure that prohibits state courts from considering, not only Sharia law, but also the law of other “countries, states, and tribes.” Courts have traditionally given tribal courts broad jurisdiction and resisted incursion because of the risk of violating treaties between the U.S. and what are considered to be sovereign nations. These concerns militate decisively in favor of striking down the Oklahoma law.

Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties Law Review ? Would Oklahoma anti-Sharia law violate tribal treaties?

Ya, underneath all that fear is some treaty breaking. Remember when this came about in Oklahoma?
 
Except that some of those states are pushing sharia law: laws that are based on religious belief.
 
Do you people not realize that you're playing with fire? Banning sharia law specifically is the first step to banning any vaguely religious laws, as well as repealing laws against rape, forced marriages, murder, and theft, not to mention banning tax benefits associated with charitable contributions. A few quotes from the Qur'an:

4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.

4:29 O ye who believe! Squander not your wealth among yourselves in vanity, except it be a trade by mutual consent, and kill not one another. Lo! Allah is ever Merciful unto you.

30:39 That which ye give in usury in order that it may increase on (other) people's property hath no increase with Allah; but that which ye give in charity, seeking Allah's Countenance, hath increase manifold.

Keep in mind that there are laws in the U.S. that are attributable directly to America's Christian heritage which ban, among other things, adultery, polygamy, murder, rape, and usury. Take into account the federal income tax beginning with a 10% bracket--the same percentage Christians are requested to tithe. And don't forget all the Christian monuments throughout the country--most especially the Supreme Court building, which has a frieze of Moses holding the Ten Commandments and an engraved depiction of those same Commandments on the doors to the Supreme Court's chambers.

This idea of establishing a freedom from religion in the U.S. is merely shifting from the popular Christianity to the unpopular Islam as a first step. Once Islam is thrown out, others will quickly follow. If you don't want laws passed that legalize child marriage, genital mutilation, and honor killings (none of which are authorized by the Qur'an, by the way), here's a novel idea: Don't elect a bunch of foreign-born durka-durkas to office so they can't pass those laws. This anti-sharia movement is setting up the entire religious population of America, along with the First Amendment, up for a massive defeat.
 
I dont think banning sharia will pass constitutional muster. If Muslims want to establish sharia courts and voluntarily submit themselves to them, fine.
 
The laws regarding women are definitely barbaric. I gotta admit though I agree with some of them.
 
Do you people not realize that you're playing with fire? Banning sharia law specifically is the first step to banning any vaguely religious laws, as well as repealing laws against rape, forced marriages, murder, and theft, not to mention banning tax benefits associated with charitable contributions. A few quotes from the Qur'an:

4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.

4:29 O ye who believe! Squander not your wealth among yourselves in vanity, except it be a trade by mutual consent, and kill not one another. Lo! Allah is ever Merciful unto you.

30:39 That which ye give in usury in order that it may increase on (other) people's property hath no increase with Allah; but that which ye give in charity, seeking Allah's Countenance, hath increase manifold.

Keep in mind that there are laws in the U.S. that are attributable directly to America's Christian heritage which ban, among other things, adultery, polygamy, murder, rape, and usury. Take into account the federal income tax beginning with a 10% bracket--the same percentage Christians are requested to tithe. And don't forget all the Christian monuments throughout the country--most especially the Supreme Court building, which has a frieze of Moses holding the Ten Commandments and an engraved depiction of those same Commandments on the doors to the Supreme Court's chambers.

This idea of establishing a freedom from religion in the U.S. is merely shifting from the popular Christianity to the unpopular Islam as a first step. Once Islam is thrown out, others will quickly follow. If you don't want laws passed that legalize child marriage, genital mutilation, and honor killings (none of which are authorized by the Qur'an, by the way), here's a novel idea: Don't elect a bunch of foreign-born durka-durkas to office so they can't pass those laws. This anti-sharia movement is setting up the entire religious population of America, along with the First Amendment, up for a massive defeat.



You seriously believe rape and murder might become legal if a state passes a law against using anothers country's laws?

As far as Moses, Mohammad is also on a frieze at the Supreme Court. Also depicted are the likes of Menes, Hammurabi, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, Octavian, and Napoleon Bonaparte to name a few.

CAIR and Muslims demanded the depiction of Mohammad removed since it is against Islamic law. Depicting Mohammad is not mentioned in the Qur'an as being against the law at all. However Sharia law is not only based on what's written in the Qur'an. It's based on hadith which is oral traditions that supplement the Qur'an.

Which means you may not be able to find many beliefs which are practiced as law in the Qur'an, give the oral traditions. There are many laws which are followed that are not written, not to mention other oral demands such as Fatwa's.
 
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I dont think banning sharia will pass constitutional muster. If Muslims want to establish sharia courts and voluntarily submit themselves to them, fine.
they do that here,but no ruling may infringe the human rights of the defendant.
 
VICTORY: Multiple States Have Now Banned Sharia Law

From everything that I know about this law, it has no place in the United States. It has brutal and archaic standards concerning women and punishment.
I concur but have you forgotten america's love of state sanctioned death penalties for men, women and George Stinney at the child like age of 14 years.

Ps would you advocate a bit of sharia for child rapists?
 
I dont think banning sharia will pass constitutional muster. If Muslims want to establish sharia courts and voluntarily submit themselves to them, fine.


Settling petty disputes is one thing, bringing in and adopting religious laws into the British constitution where it violates and or allows Muslims to ignore established law is totally different. Brits just did this. It totally ignores the rights of women under British law, but is being adopted by British law due to religion.




Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: “This guidance marks a further stage in the British legal establishment’s undermining of democratically determined human rights-compliant law in favour of religious law from another era and another culture. British equality law is more comprehensive in scope and remedies than any elsewhere in the world. Instead of protecting it, The Law Society seems determined to sacrifice the progress made in the last 500 years.”

Lady Cox said: “Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”

Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs - Telegraph



I find it disturbing.
 
In their bid to court the Islamic extremist vote, democrats will oppose any effort to ban Sharia law in States. President Obama will fly to Michigan to make a speech.
 
In their bid to court the Islamic extremist vote, democrats will oppose any effort to ban Sharia law in States. President Obama will fly to Michigan to make a speech.

so you think catholics shouldn't be allowed to apply their laws as regard marriage and divorce?

or does your violation of the first amendment only apply to muslims?

you know, while at the same time, the radical right supports theocratic laws.

we'll wait.
 
Australian Ex. Prime Minister Julia Gillard?s message to Muslims in Australia (Post is reported to be a hoax, but we leave it on TMT as the reactions are in fact quite interesting). | The Muslim Times

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT… Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’

‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.’

‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!’

‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’

‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’
 
Cultural Diversity has been a failure in Europe.

If they choose to live her we expect them to accept the culture and laws of our country. As with the post from the Aussie PM, I am tired of them complaining about our religion and how it offends them and we must adapt to THEIR CULTURE.

There is a place for their culture elsewhere.

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