“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston ChurchillI have no need to. I see it demonstrated by the left on this forum nearly daily.
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“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston ChurchillI have no need to. I see it demonstrated by the left on this forum nearly daily.
You're probably right, most abortions are by poor women and women of color. Maybe the GOP will motivate them to vote?
You don't think Hunter's laptop will stem the tide?That remains to be seen. I'm a little worried about how it will affect state elections, especially among the Independents. I would hate to see red states turning blue over one issue.
It takes just one challenge on Constitutional grounds and a Judge that knows the Constitution to put a stay on the law until it can be assessed. That exact thing has been happening with frightening regularity over the past six years.If you look at what's contained in their so-called Voters Rights act, it's loaded with unconstitutional provisions and they know it. However if it's passed before the election, it's law until a court reverses it which wouldn't be until after the election.
You know as well as I you can't trust a Democrat as far as you can throw them. They'll do anything for power.
Bold of you to assume a lot of those people haven't been dead already for years.I sure hope not. I can think of at least 81 million post facto abortions I'd still like to see.
It takes just one challenge on Constitutional grounds and a Judge that knows the Constitution to put a stay on the law until it can be assessed. That exact thing has been happening with frightening regularity over the past six years.
Hell, Trump and GOP legislation isn't a week old before the left has it in court and a stay issued.
You don't think Hunter's laptop will stem the tide?
“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill
I don't see what would stop them. It's just something I do worry about.
So something crossed my mind today: Let's assume the leak is genuine and next month Roe vs Wade is gone. Now (as everybody says) abortion will be left up to the states. Liberal states of course will keep abortion, conservative states make it illegal, and swing states may have abortion up to X amount of weeks. Fine.
My question is what happens if the country swings hard right on the federal level as in what is being setup now? Could our federal legislatures make it illegal for the entire country to have any kind of abortions? And if so, would the GOP risk losing leadership for decades down the road?
I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way? So the question is, could this decision actually lead to outlawing abortions on a national level?
That's just it, Ray. Uncensored2008 is saying that for political reasons, such a thing would never happen.I don't disagree with that. My question is what would stop the GOP from making it illegal for any kind of abortions. Point being that this argument it would be left up to the states could be temporary. It may very well lead to a total outlaw of abortions.
Right now, it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. Except for reconciliation which is limited to budgetary fixes for revenue and/or spending. So, while I wouldn't mind seeing a super GOP majority in the Senate, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to come about. And I don't see them passing a total abortion ban even if they win the WH in 2024 and keep the Senate majority.
BUT - what about what happens if the filibuster gets abolished? The democrats are talking about that right now, eliminating the filibuster so they can pass their Women's Productive Rights Act, which among other things prevents abortion bans in the US. Doesn't look like that will happen (abolishing the filibuster) for the foreseeable future, but I can see the possibility eventually occurring if we see elections swinging back and forth between the Left and the Right. Sooner or later the democrats will get their 50 votes and then it's Katy bar the door.
I do not see the GOP eliminating the filibuster if and when they take back the Senate, but I can see the democrats doing it if they ever get the 50 votes plus the VP. And of course once the filibuster is gone, it's gone for good and we could see vast wholesale changes one way or the other, a little bit like we do now when one party loses and the other assumes office, but probably more severe and widespread.
So - would it be constitutional for the Right to ban all abortions? Don't know, but it would take a GOP prez, a 60-vote GOP Senate, and a GOP House. IOW, not any time soon, getting a 60-vote Senate just doesn't strike me as likely. I think it would be a bad idea politically, IMHO too many people would not like that.
The Left will certainly pass a law to prevent abortion bans as soon as they can, but they ain't going to get a 60-vote Senate anytime soon either IMHO. But if they did, would that be constitutional? Depends on the SCOTUS composition, no? Imagine at some point the liberal progressives hold a 5-4 advantage or better on the Court. I think we all know that such a Court wouldn't be ruling on the meaning of the constitution but instead on the politics of the issue.
That's just it, Ray. Uncensored2008 is saying that for political reasons, such a thing would never happen.
No. In states where abortion is, and will remain legal. No law would ever be enforced in those states, no matter what happened at the federal level.
70% of Americans support a womans right to choose. And that's conservatives, as well as people of all religious faiths included in that 70%. Congress could never get a nationwide ban signed into federal law.
Right now, it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. Except for reconciliation which is limited to budgetary fixes for revenue and/or spending. So, while I wouldn't mind seeing a super GOP majority in the Senate, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to come about. And I don't see them passing a total abortion ban even if they win the WH in 2024 and keep the Senate majority.
BUT - what about what happens if the filibuster gets abolished? The democrats are talking about that right now, eliminating the filibuster so they can pass their Women's Productive Rights Act, which among other things prevents abortion bans in the US. Doesn't look like that will happen (abolishing the filibuster) for the foreseeable future, but I can see the possibility eventually occurring if we see elections swinging back and forth between the Left and the Right. Sooner or later the democrats will get their 50 votes and then it's Katy bar the door.
I do not see the GOP eliminating the filibuster if and when they take back the Senate, but I can see the democrats doing it if they ever get the 50 votes plus the VP. And of course once the filibuster is gone, it's gone for good and we could see vast wholesale changes one way or the other, a little bit like we do now when one party loses and the other assumes office, but probably more severe and widespread.
So - would it be constitutional for the Right to ban all abortions? Don't know, but it would take a GOP prez, a 60-vote GOP Senate, and a GOP House. IOW, not any time soon, getting a 60-vote Senate just doesn't strike me as likely. I think it would be a bad idea politically, IMHO too many people would not like that.
The Left will certainly pass a law to prevent abortion bans as soon as they can, but they ain't going to get a 60-vote Senate anytime soon either IMHO. But if they did, would that be constitutional? Depends on the SCOTUS composition, no? Imagine at some point the liberal progressives hold a 5-4 advantage or better on the Court. I think we all know that such a Court wouldn't be ruling on the meaning of the constitution but instead on the politics of the issue.
I doubt it since the states have started doing their own thing already.So something crossed my mind today: Let's assume the leak is genuine and next month Roe vs Wade is gone. Now (as everybody says) abortion will be left up to the states. Liberal states of course will keep abortion, conservative states make it illegal, and swing states may have abortion up to X amount of weeks. Fine.
My question is what happens if the country swings hard right on the federal level as in what is being setup now? Could our federal legislatures make it illegal for the entire country to have any kind of abortions? And if so, would the GOP risk losing leadership for decades down the road?
I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way? So the question is, could this decision actually lead to outlawing abortions on a national level?
Authority NOT specifically given to the federal government by the US Constitution is 'states' rights'.I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way?