Montana becomes eighth state to put measure protecting abortion on ballot

[Frankeneinstein]

The deeper issue is how it got to this mess.

Because democracy is messy.

 

[there4eyeM]

That states decide is what the consequences of "Roe" being overturned produced. No "rights" were affected, only the right way to do things Constitutionally. Let states, where women can vote directly (and not be victim of an excessive duopoly-controlled central government), decide. The women will decide, as they should.

 

[there4eyeM]

Because democracy is messy.

Perhaps, but it would be interesting to try it. As it is, we have highly paid people sitting in nice offices in Washington conveniently located for lobbyists to "convince" them to do as bid (pun intended).

 

[Frankeneinstein]

In almost every case, its the voters in that state who demanded the issue be considered.

which is the way it should have been all along, not some court deciding the issue for them

In Florida....fucking Florida, a proposed amendment restoring Roe era abortion access is leading by nearly 70%.

Not sure what "roe era abortion access" is as that was federal and this is state and local but since Florida will be paying for it all themselves no one outside the state has a right to deny or force them to accept this on anyone's terms but their own.

The people don't want these restrictions.

Which is why it should have been settled at the ballot box in the first place.

 

[Skylar]

which is the way it should have been all along, not some court deciding the issue for them

When it comes to issues of rights and bodily autonomy, the courts should absolutely be involved.

When rights can simply be voted away, you get some pretty horrendous outcomes.

Not sure what "roe era abortion access" is as that was federal and this is state and local but since Florida will be paying for it all themselves no one outside the state has a right to deny or force them to accept this on anyone's terms but their own.

Roe era abortion access is unrestricted abortion access through viability. Which was the standard established under Roe.

Which is why it should have been settled at the ballot box in the first place.

Which of your rights should be settled at a ballot box? Its very easy to be dismissive when its not your rights being stripped from you at the federal level so they can be turned into crimes by religious fundamentalists at the state level.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

When it comes to issues of rights and bodily autonomy, the courts should absolutely be involved.

including dobbs?

When rights can simply be voted away, you get some pretty horrendous outcomes.

which is the case pro-lifers make for the pre born...anyway, like it or not the court has spoken...and there is a difference between voting away constitutional rights and instituting controversial new ones.

Roe era abortion access is unrestricted abortion access through viability. Which was the standard established under Roe.

Which I agree with and prefer, but I don't speak for everyone.

Which of your rights should be settled at a ballot box?

all that are not in the constitution that the court forces on those who reject them.

Its very easy to be dismissive when its not your rights being stripped from you at the federal level so they can be turned into crimes by religious fundamentalists at the state level.

Why is this not a right of mine? if it isn't universal then it isn't a right but a privilege.