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They all shoot the same round at the same rate with virtually the same accuracy so yes they all perform the same I have been consistent that the only differences are cosmetic
And you have not proven otherwise
Yes, I heard that the first dozen times you said it. Still doesn't prove your point.
And you haven't proven that the AR is vastly superior than any other commercially available .223 semiauto have you?
Your claim was that it was identical.That's what started the discussion.
No your claim that the AR was identical to the M 16 started the discussion.
See Post #4
You mean this one? As I said. I have been claiming the auto / select fire capability was the only difference all along. You were the doofus who said all 223 rifles were the same. I as wrong about which came first though. The AR designation as changed to M16 for military use.View attachment 179103
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No you have been saying the AR 15 is exactly the same as the M 16
But now you have obviously realized your error
Exactly the same in all ways pertinent to our discussion. Go back and reread what was said.
No....not exactly the same in any way pertinent to the discussion....the M-16 has full auto capability.....the AR-15 does not, that makes them two completely different rifles......you guys are lying to uninformed Americans by implying that the AR-15 fires fully automatic ........ the uninformed believe you which is why you hear so much ignorant commentary in this discussion......and that is why we don't trust you.......you know if you get the AR-15 you can then come back and say, all those other rifles shoot the same as the AR-15 so you have to let us ban those too...including semi auto pistols....
Yes.that is the modification I mentioned at the first of the conversation. The AR15 and the M16 are essentially the same when both are fired in single mode. In fact, the AR15 was select fire and had it's designation changed to the then new M16 designation when the military bought the design. The modification was made to allow non select fire sale to the public.
Nope.......you kept lying...implying that the AR-15 is the exact same rifle as the M-16 and you even keep calling the AR-15 an "Assault Rifle" even after you were told they the two rifles are completely different.
All semi auto firing weapons work the same way, including semi auto pistols and 5-6 shot revolvers.....one bullet per pull of the trigger, no manual reload.....you know this, and you kept lying....
The AR-15 is a civilian rifle that has never been used in war...the police use it...and there are 8 million AR-15s in private hands making it the single most popular rifle in the country....and calling to ban it just shows it is your gateway gun....you will use it to call for a ban on all semi auto weapons.....as the crowd at the CNN 2 minutes of hate called for in their chants...
You're Wrong. They aren't completely different. You should know that.
It is not a more effective killing tool than any other .223 semiautoNo, the M-16 was picked for practical reasons. It is shorter than the M-1 by 4'' (better for going thru jungle) and lighter by 3-4 pounds. ( better for being in hot climate) plus carrying more ammo.)
Yes,those are 2 of the reasons it is a more effective killing tool than other rifles.
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Background checks didn't stop the piece of shit in FL from getting gunsSo people who support reasonable gun control are using the legal routs laid out for them by the constitution to bring the change that the majority of the country wants. How horrible.
Define "reasonable" gun control.
Universal background checks would be a start. Trump-0 made it easier for crazies to get guns. It would be nice to reverse that too.
Didn't stop the piece of shit in Vegas from getting guns
Didn't stop the pieces of shit in Columbine from getting guns and the federal assault weapon ban didn't prevent the Columbine shooting
Paddock bought an arsonal from multiple States thus avoiding scrutiny.
Yes, and sand can only be loaded one scoop at the time. These pictures are loading sand at the exact same rate, right?
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What's loading got to do with the fact that ALL semiautomatics only fire one round per trigger pull?
To use your sandbox analogy/
Say you pour sand into a funnel that only lets one grain of sand through every time you push a button
Would that sand move though the funnel at a faster rate if the funnel was being filled with a table spoon or a gallon jug?
Come on gun nut. You know one trigger pull one fire isn't the only relevant issue. Some guns are capable of shorter time between trigger pulls than others. A real gun nut would know that.
I'd have to see a link to show that. If it is true, the time difference is miniscule, and of no practical use.
In fact, since a tiny part of the force propelling the bullet down the barrel is bled off to work the action, it has until the bullet leaves the barrel to move the bolt completely to the rear (a spring pushing it back forward). Once the bullet has left the barrel, the force of the propellant will flow to the path of least resistance (the empty tube that is the barrel).
Yes, it is a small difference, but contrary to most gun nuts claims, it is a difference. That small difference on top of so many other small differences is why the military chose that particular gun design as their favorite killing tool. Minor modification to disable multi-fire doesn't negate all the other things that makes that gun such an effective killing machine. Other than for killing people, a honest hunter, or gun user of any other kind will tell you that 30 round capability is absurd.
I have yet to see a link that shows there is a difference in time between trigger pulls. My comment was based on the "If it is true..." precursor. And saying that 0.01 seconds is enough difference is silly.
Crowder nails it....
He demonstrates the rate of fire with a .357 lever action rifle.....he shows a semi auto shotgun....
The anti gunners want them too....
Paddock would have been able to kill and injure the same amount of people with an automatic shotgun?
Here is the REAL gun issue in the US:
It is not a more effective killing tool than any other .223 semiautoYes,those are 2 of the reasons it is a more effective killing tool than other rifles.
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
It is not a more effective killing tool than any other .223 semiauto
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
--LOL nice work sock --LOLstill cant tell the truth can ya
sub group of drunk driving deaths is more then the total "motor vehicle deaths"
Feb 25, 2018 (4:27:27 PM)
Drunk Driving 5158
murder by gun 1753
Oh I see - we don't get to count the traffic fatalities not involving drunk driving?
sure we can why not retard
then add another 20982 as Feb 26, 2018 (6:58:49 AM)
This is 2014 - old .. Graph at bottom shows projections - not sure if 2017 data is in.
Firearms deaths are up and traffic fatalities are down in past 3-4 years.
And with that? Doc Love drops the mic
FastStats
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
All firearm deaths
- Number of deaths: 33,736
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6
- Number of deaths: 33,594
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5
hey stupid the numbers i have posted are real time not a yearly round up
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America
dr sock got his ass whooped again --LOLIncorrect barrel stroker
Gun Deaths Have Now Surpassed Motor Vehicle Deaths In 21 States (And Counting)
still cant tell the truth can ya
sub group of drunk driving deaths is more then the total "motor vehicle deaths"
Feb 25, 2018 (4:27:27 PM)
Drunk Driving 5158
murder by gun 1753
Oh I see - we don't get to count the traffic fatalities not involving drunk driving?
sure we can why not retard
then add another 20982 as Feb 26, 2018 (6:58:49 AM)
This is 2014 - old .. Graph at bottom shows projections - not sure if 2017 data is in.
Firearms deaths are up and traffic fatalities are down in past 3-4 years.
And with that? Doc Love drops the mic
FastStats
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
All firearm deaths
- Number of deaths: 33,736
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6
- Number of deaths: 33,594
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5
Then Dr. Love needs to pick up the mic because he isn't comparing car accidental deaths to gun accidental deaths, he is comparing gun murder and gun suicide to accidental car deaths....apples to oranges....
Because Dr. Love knows that apples to apples....accidental death to accidental death shows he is an idiot and a liar...
The actual comparison...
Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016 Accidental Death...
Gun.....495
Car.......38,748
poisoning......58,335
falling.......34,673
suffocation...6,610
drowning......3,786
Gun murder.....2016
FBI....11,004
Expanded Homicide Data Table 4
Gun Suicide.....22,938
It is not a more effective killing tool than any other .223 semiauto
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
And yet you cannot prove that the AR 15 actually fires faster or is "more deadly" than any other similarly chambered semiauto can you?It is not a more effective killing tool than any other .223 semiauto
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
The AR does not perform better than any other commercially available .223 and you certainly have not posted any data whatsoever that proves it does
Of course I have. The .223 is available in lots of different designed guns. They are not all the same silly. You haven't proven they are the same.
They all shoot the same round at the same rate with virtually the same accuracy so yes they all perform the same I have been consistent that the only differences are cosmetic
And you have not proven otherwise
Yes, I heard that the first dozen times you said it. Still doesn't prove your point.
And you haven't proven that the AR is vastly superior than any other commercially available .223 semiauto have you?
Your claim was that it was identical.That's what started the discussion.
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
I bet you don't know what a 6.8 is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
I bet you don't know what a 6.8 is.
I'm sure you bet on a lot of stuff. Care to make a bet that cosmetics are the only thing that makes the AR15 different from any other .223 rifle? Why is the effective firing rate on an AR15 45 rpm, and the firing rate on that mini14 in the picture above in .223 caliber only 40rpm? Does that sound identical to you?
The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
You hunt ducks with a rifle?
Wow
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
I bet you don't know what a 6.8 is.
I'm sure you bet on a lot of stuff. Care to make a bet that cosmetics are the only thing that makes the AR15 different from any other .223 rifle? Why is the effective firing rate on an AR15 45 rpm, and the firing rate on that mini14 in the picture above in .223 caliber only 40rpm? Does that sound identical to you?
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
You hunt ducks with a rifle?
Wow
That would be as dumb as the suggestion to go bear hunting with rat shot.
And yet you cannot prove that the AR 15 actually fires faster or is "more deadly" than any other similarly chambered semiauto can you?The military thinks it is.
SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
Of course I have. The .223 is available in lots of different designed guns. They are not all the same silly. You haven't proven they are the same.
They all shoot the same round at the same rate with virtually the same accuracy so yes they all perform the same I have been consistent that the only differences are cosmetic
And you have not proven otherwise
Yes, I heard that the first dozen times you said it. Still doesn't prove your point.
And you haven't proven that the AR is vastly superior than any other commercially available .223 semiauto have you?
Your claim was that it was identical.That's what started the discussion.
I said there was no difference in the FUNCTIONALITY
you say there is
So besides cosmetics what is different between the AR 15 and any other commercially available .223 semiauto rifle. Do they shoot different ammo? Does one fire more than one bullet per trigger pull, what? You say there are all these differences besides the way a .223 rifle looks so what are they?
You have yet to answer that question.
And yet you cannot prove that the AR 15 actually fires faster or is "more deadly" than any other similarly chambered semiauto can you?SO I could have a semiautomatic rifle that fires a larger more powerful round like the 6.8 as this rifle does
and that just fine because it doesn't look like an M16
Perhaps you care to give a few specs on that gun? I'm far from an expert, but I know there are lots more reasons than caliber for why a rifle might be effective for a particular purpose.
Such as-? In that case, I recommend you go bear hunting with .22 short shotshells.
That would be kinda silly wouldn't it? I wouldn't use a 6.8 for squirrels either. You ever use a .223 for ducks? What is the effective firing rate on that gun? Bolt type? Cycle rate? I expect you will try to say that cosmetics and caliber are the only differences in any gun, like so many others here have, but we both know it just ain't so.
It does have a higher effective firing rate than a mini14. If that ain't proof of a difference, what is?
