student escorted out of class for not saying the pledge

[☭proletarian☭]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.



YouTube - Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance

You dislike the ACLU because they oppose indoctrination of children?

 

[bodecea]

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

The one that God himself built (with tax payer dollars I'm sure... lazy socialist bastard) to save the wicked from their sins.

They all hate the ACLU until the ACLU defends they're own bullshit in court.

Shut the fuck up while adults talk

Or you might do what? Call the secret religion police on him? He's right...the ACLU has defended religion in court a lot...you are too blind and partisan to admit it.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

good ......

Why?

Call me simple, but it's tradition in my book .....

So, too, was slavery.


Appeal to tradition is the response of the ignorant man who does what he does only because he is too dense to think for himself and so imitates, like a chimpanzee, the actions of his handlers.

 

[bodecea]

Freedom from religion is not one of our rightss in the constitution.

Maybe this should be a separate thread; What I see in the flag is a symbol of the freedoms that Americans have fought, bled, and died for for over 200 years. Of course i do not expect others to agree with that.

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

The difference slimeball is that veterens have paid to get their medicare and social security. They have also paid a lot more by defending this country by risking their lives.

What many americans don't like are the leeches who live off the tax dollars who are capable of getting jobs if they got off their lazy asses.

Also, if a child, no doubt indoctrinated by his/her america-hating scumbag family, is uncomfortable about this country and saying the pledge, there are a lot of other countries they may feel more comfortable being in, like Iran or Syria.



Thank you for your attention on this matter.

Veterans don't get social security...only if they paid into in jobs they had besides the military.

But, feel free to try to FORCE your faux patriotism on others with jackbooted thugs. It's so meaningful that way.

 

[bodecea]

Don't try to male more of what I say than I do not like the ACLU. And that I show utmost respect for the Flag of the United States. And just leave it at that.

The ACLU spends hundreds of thousands of dollars annually fighting for the rights of street preachers to preach the gospel.
Are you opposed to that also?

Do you have a link to that?

My link on ACLU cases includes it.

 

[bodecea]

Why?

Call me simple, but it's tradition in my book .....

So, too, was slavery.


Appeal to tradition is the response of the ignorant man who does what he does only because he is too dense to think for himself and so imitates, like a chimpanzee, the actions of his handlers.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[bodecea]

Obviously the little twit isn't happy about living in America.

Therefore, there are a lot of Obama, hate america type schools, where the little brat would be more comfortable.

No one is forcing the twit to stay here.

with respect, only a complete fucking idiot could reach this conclusion.

while i personally disagree with this kid's actions, refusing to pledge allegiance for whatever reason took a lot of balls on his/her part, and represents what this country is about-freedom to speak your mind and act accordingly as long as it's within the law..

fuckwit

It takes a fucking idiot like yourself not to understand it.

Oh, we understand....QUITE well.

 

[pinqy]

Veterans don't get social security...only if they paid into in jobs they had besides the military.

Where on earth are you getting that idea from? Military pay into social security. Even when deployed they still have to pay into it when they're exempt from income taxes. So they are entitled to receive payments from it as well.

 

[del]

Obviously the little twit isn't happy about living in America.

Therefore, there are a lot of Obama, hate america type schools, where the little brat would be more comfortable.

No one is forcing the twit to stay here.

with respect, only a complete fucking idiot could reach this conclusion.

while i personally disagree with this kid's actions, refusing to pledge allegiance for whatever reason took a lot of balls on his/her part, and represents what this country is about-freedom to speak your mind and act accordingly as long as it's within the law..

fuckwit

It takes a fucking idiot like yourself not to understand it.

read the first amendment and get back to me, o-tay?

 

[Darkwind]

Having children stand up and recite a "pledge of allegiance" every school day is ridiculous to begin with. People can decide for themselves where their loyalties lie when they're adults.

To start. It is wrong for the teacher to remove a student for not reciting the Pledge. A much better way to handle that situation is to spend 15 minutes at the beginning of every class that week teaching the students what the pledge means and what part of our government guarantees them the right to remain silent during the pledge.

Now, you say people can decide fro themselves where their loyalties lie and I would normally agree with that. Except that you are talking about government run schools and the organs that teach our children teach them that America is not a good country. That America has no value. That we should not be proud of America or what America stands for.

So tell Me. How do those of us who actually love this country combat that if you think we shouldn't force our kids to do things like recite the pledge or sing the national anthem at events or fly a flag in the classroom?

 

[del]

Having children stand up and recite a "pledge of allegiance" every school day is ridiculous to begin with. People can decide for themselves where their loyalties lie when they're adults.

To start. It is wrong for the teacher to remove a student for not reciting the Pledge. A much better way to handle that situation is to spend 15 minutes at the beginning of every class that week teaching the students what the pledge means and what part of our government guarantees them the right to remain silent during the pledge.

Now, you say people can decide fro themselves where their loyalties lie and I would normally agree with that. Except that you are talking about government run schools and the organs that teach our children teach them that America is not a good country. That America has no value. That we should not be proud of America or what America stands for.

So tell Me. How do those of us who actually love this country combat that if you think we shouldn't force our kids to do things like recite the pledge or sing the national anthem at events or fly a flag in the classroom?

are you familiar with the concept of freedom of speech? do you think you can force someone to love something or someone?

imo, if you love this country and what it stands for, the idea of the govt, in this case the schools, forcing someone to speak or act in a way they do not wish to is anathema.

my kids never came home from school telling me how much they hate america, so i reject the notion that schools inculcate our kids to hate our country.

 

[pinqy]

Having children stand up and recite a "pledge of allegiance" every school day is ridiculous to begin with. People can decide for themselves where their loyalties lie when they're adults.

To start. It is wrong for the teacher to remove a student for not reciting the Pledge. A much better way to handle that situation is to spend 15 minutes at the beginning of every class that week teaching the students what the pledge means and what part of our government guarantees them the right to remain silent during the pledge.

Now, you say people can decide fro themselves where their loyalties lie and I would normally agree with that. Except that you are talking about government run schools and the organs that teach our children teach them that America is not a good country. That America has no value. That we should not be proud of America or what America stands for.

So tell Me. How do those of us who actually love this country combat that if you think we shouldn't force our kids to do things like recite the pledge or sing the national anthem at events or fly a flag in the classroom?

Even if I agreed with your premise that schools teach children that America is not a good country (which I don't), how does forcing children to pledge loyalty help? What is the effect and purpose?

 

[Darkwind]

Having children stand up and recite a "pledge of allegiance" every school day is ridiculous to begin with. People can decide for themselves where their loyalties lie when they're adults.

To start. It is wrong for the teacher to remove a student for not reciting the Pledge. A much better way to handle that situation is to spend 15 minutes at the beginning of every class that week teaching the students what the pledge means and what part of our government guarantees them the right to remain silent during the pledge.

Now, you say people can decide fro themselves where their loyalties lie and I would normally agree with that. Except that you are talking about government run schools and the organs that teach our children teach them that America is not a good country. That America has no value. That we should not be proud of America or what America stands for.

So tell Me. How do those of us who actually love this country combat that if you think we shouldn't force our kids to do things like recite the pledge or sing the national anthem at events or fly a flag in the classroom?

are you familiar with the concept of freedom of speech? do you think you can force someone to love something or someone?

imo, if you love this country and what it stands for, the idea of the govt, in this case the schools, forcing someone to speak or act in a way they do not wish to is anathema.

my kids never came home from school telling me how much they hate america, so i reject the notion that schools inculcate our kids to hate our country.

Perhaps you missed the first part of My post. And I'll clarify that last sentence since I failed to actually say what I mean.

I think that they should be forced to remain in a class that has students reciting the Pledge and that they should be removed from the class if they disrupt that recital.

Better for you?

As for your kids not coming home hating America. It doesn't work that way and you know it. It is a subtle indoctrination that leads to people believing much like the people on this forum believe.

I can start a thread on one single great thing America has done and I'll bet you that I will get a majority of replies from the left and each one of them will be a spouting of all that America has done wrong with no acknowledgment of the original praise.

It happens without fail and it happens because people are infected with the belief that one bad act by this country cancels out the thousands of good acts that we do.

That is what needs to be fought.

And one last thing.

I grew up in an era where reciting the Pledge was mandatory. Many of those I grew up with (who survived growing up) tend to be liberal and guess what. It has not harmed them one little bit.

In fact, those who mocked the pledge grew up to be some of the most self-centered liberals I have ever known. Perhaps that is where their ideology comes from. I don't have to be taught any loyalty to anything but i don't want to appear selfish so I'll take other peoples money to help those who are unfortunate. I certainly won't be using my hard earned dollars.

 

[Darkwind]

Having children stand up and recite a "pledge of allegiance" every school day is ridiculous to begin with. People can decide for themselves where their loyalties lie when they're adults.

To start. It is wrong for the teacher to remove a student for not reciting the Pledge. A much better way to handle that situation is to spend 15 minutes at the beginning of every class that week teaching the students what the pledge means and what part of our government guarantees them the right to remain silent during the pledge.

Now, you say people can decide fro themselves where their loyalties lie and I would normally agree with that. Except that you are talking about government run schools and the organs that teach our children teach them that America is not a good country. That America has no value. That we should not be proud of America or what America stands for.

So tell Me. How do those of us who actually love this country combat that if you think we shouldn't force our kids to do things like recite the pledge or sing the national anthem at events or fly a flag in the classroom?

Even if I agreed with your premise that schools teach children that America is not a good country (which I don't), how does forcing children to pledge loyalty help? What is the effect and purpose?

Like I said. That last sentence did not come out saying what I wanted it to say.

You cannot force someone to recite something. But they should not be allowed to leave the room when it is being recited or disrupt the rest of those who do recite it.

Exposure is enough in this case. As for your disagreeing. That is your right. I've seen to much of it to know that I am not wrong.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

always loved the people who force allegiance to liberty....

washingtonpost.com

Allegiance to one's country should not be forced, but it should be expected. Anyone not pledging allegiance should be bitchslapped and sent to Git'mo. IMO

 

[Coyote]

I have never had an issue with children reciting the pledge of allegience - particularly as part of teaching civics (is that even taught any more?)....but I do have an issue with the addition of "God" - something added long after the pledge was written, in fact - it was added under Eisenhower through pressure from the religious right as a statement against "godless communism". Allegience to a diety - which it essentially is - belongs in the realm of the churches, not public school systems. I'm picky about my dieties.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

I can't find any connection between the ACLU and the West Virginia v Barnette decision. Perhaps you could show me where I've missed it.

And why should we force children to pledge allegience? Why on earth do you think that's a good idea?

It is possible that the ACLU was not involved in the earlier 1943 decision but they are all over it today.

As I said earlier, under our current laws the teacher was wrong and the police escort was overkill.

Personally I believe that all American children should be required to learn the pledge. if they have any objective to actually saying it, then they should leave the room so that they do not interrupt or in any other way disrupt the rest of the class.

 

[CMike]

always loved the people who force allegiance to liberty....

washingtonpost.com

They tried to suspend me for school for refusing some years back. I told them that my loyalties ae to me principles, not to any man, piece of cloth (which was made in China, btw- I'd checked), geographical area, or government.

I am not suprised

 

[CMike]

The issue isn't the child, it's the scumbag parents.

If they have an issue with living in this country the door is that way -------------------------------------->

 

[CMike]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

I can't find any connection between the ACLU and the West Virginia v Barnette decision. Perhaps you could show me where I've missed it.

And why should we force children to pledge allegience? Why on earth do you think that's a good idea?

It is possible that the ACLU was not involved in the earlier 1943 decision but they are all over it today.

As I said earlier, under our current laws the teacher was wrong and the police escort was overkill.

Personally I believe that all American children should be required to learn the pledge. if they have any objective to actually saying it, then they should leave the room so that they do not interrupt or in any other way disrupt the rest of the class.

I agree with that.