Study: Free birth control leads to fewer abortions; Romney wants to cut access.

The effect on teen pregnancy was striking: There were 6.3 births per 1,000 teenagers in the study. Compare that to a national rate of 34 births per 1,000 teens in 2010.

There also were substantially lower rates of abortion, when compared with women in the metro area and nationally: 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the study, compared with 13.4 to 17 abortions per 1,000 women overall in the St. Louis region, Peipert calculated. That's lower than the national rate, too, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women.
Consequently, it’s the consensus of conservatives that the facts should be ignored, and the program ended, because they perceive providing free contraceptives as ‘offensive’ and in conflict with their subjective moral dogma.

Yet another of many good reasons to vote against Romney and republicans in general.

The issue remains the same, the government should not be able to force people to violate their religious principles. You cannot show me a single current case that would allow the Federal Government to mandate that religious institutions pay for birth control if they chose not to. If this is actually a good idea the government should stop mandating a doctor's prescription for implants.
 
And of course regular people don't get barracks, and mess halls and healthcare that our military gets....those things are part of their military compensation for the work they provide the gvt. Pay plus benefits equals total compensation.

The government did not start providing rubbers as part of their compensation or as encouragement or perk to go out f--king every prostitute in a skirt. They did it for financial benefit....it was better to pay for condoms than to pay for their men's venereal disease treatments and incapacitation time....which costs them money.

You ever live in a barrack?
 
Rubbers were standard issue during world war 2 and the end of world war 1 to the military.... That certainly was tax payer's money funding it.

Tell you what, I will concede that the government should provide condoms to anyone that wants them, and I will even accept paying for them. But I refuse to pay for anything else related to birth control unless I get to say who you sleep with.
I don't think the government should provide birth control to any one who desires it, I believe if the woman or man is poor and needs them to plan her or his family, or for protection in the case of rubbers, then the government should find a way to provide them, under means testing parameters....and I do believe this will save the gvt long term and this is why they have had an interest in it...as they did with the Military men and providing them with condoms....it's not that they agree with the loose lifestyle, money is their concern imo.

most women on birth control are married while on birth control ...off and on.... for nearly 30- 40 years of their lives....not all are poor though, so the gvt would not be providing such for all of them.

Like I said, give them rubbers. If we start giving the government the authority to mandate birth control it won't be long before it will try to mandate sterilization.
 
The effect on teen pregnancy was striking: There were 6.3 births per 1,000 teenagers in the study. Compare that to a national rate of 34 births per 1,000 teens in 2010.

There also were substantially lower rates of abortion, when compared with women in the metro area and nationally: 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the study, compared with 13.4 to 17 abortions per 1,000 women overall in the St. Louis region, Peipert calculated. That's lower than the national rate, too, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women.
Consequently, it’s the consensus of conservatives that the facts should be ignored, and the program ended, because they perceive providing free contraceptives as ‘offensive’ and in conflict with their subjective moral dogma.

Yet another of many good reasons to vote against Romney and republicans in general.

The issue remains the same, the government should not be able to force people to violate their religious principles. You cannot show me a single current case that would allow the Federal Government to mandate that religious institutions pay for birth control if they chose not to. If this is actually a good idea the government should stop mandating a doctor's prescription for implants.
the gvt is not mandating any religious institution to provide insurance to cover birth control for anyone that works with a religious institution...ie Church, Synagogue, temple, mosque etc....

Schools and hospitals under their reach, such as catholic charities are made up of schools and hospitals which are for everyone and anyone to utilize and their employees and students are not necessarily a part of their church, nor required to be.... in addition to this, the Catholic charity received 50% of their funding from government, which is another CLEAR indication that it is not an institution for religious purpose.
 
Consequently, it’s the consensus of conservatives that the facts should be ignored, and the program ended, because they perceive providing free contraceptives as ‘offensive’ and in conflict with their subjective moral dogma.

Yet another of many good reasons to vote against Romney and republicans in general.

The issue remains the same, the government should not be able to force people to violate their religious principles. You cannot show me a single current case that would allow the Federal Government to mandate that religious institutions pay for birth control if they chose not to. If this is actually a good idea the government should stop mandating a doctor's prescription for implants.
the gvt is not mandating any religious institution to provide insurance to cover birth control for anyone that works with a religious institution...ie Church, Synagogue, temple, mosque etc....

Schools and hospitals under their reach, such as catholic charities are made up of schools and hospitals which are for everyone and anyone to utilize and their employees and students are not necessarily a part of their church, nor required to be.... in addition to this, the Catholic charity received 50% of their funding from government, which is another CLEAR indication that it is not an institution for religious purpose.

If they aren't mandating that why is there a lawsuit filed by religious institutions challenging the mandate to provide birth control? When did the government gain the power to decide what is, and is not, a religious institution? Are you aware that federal law specifically makes it illegal for the government to dictate things like that?

My suggestion is that you take some time to read up on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the court decisions surrounding it before you try to debate the issues here, because you are clearly unfamiliar with the issues.
 
:lol:


As a Bubble head, I "knew" a few Boomer widows.


Were you in Conn, say '85-87 or 93-95? we may have shared someone. :D

In the early 80s I was just a few states over in NY and NJ. Used to cut through CT on my way to a nice little filly in RI. I stayed away from married women. My shipmates didn't, but I did.

Unless you avoided women completely you cannot say you never slept with a married woman.

Yes, I can. I had plenty of advances from married women once hubby left shore (and married men once we left shore) I wanted nothing to do with that crap. I saw what it did to careers. No thanks.

Oh, and marriages of convenience don't count. :D
 
You need evidence that we pay more in welfare now?

Seriously?

You need to give a thorough and detailed treatment of any such increases in welfare spending. And like I said, it needs to be in context. Account for inflation, compare per capita and per recipient expenditures, account for new programs that may not have existed at the time, etc.
 
And the free ones worked how much better then the ones they could buy for themselves?

Yes they did. They actually took the free ones...but never bothered to buy them.

I was a radioman that used to work at a communications station copying messages from merchant and military ships. I can't tell you how many HMO messages I copied that had to do with male members having some sort of oozing sore...

The free condoms didn't work?

They did on our ships. Merchant ships were not so prolific with their prophylactics.
 
Consequently, it’s the consensus of conservatives that the facts should be ignored, and the program ended, because they perceive providing free contraceptives as ‘offensive’ and in conflict with their subjective moral dogma.

Yet another of many good reasons to vote against Romney and republicans in general.

The issue remains the same, the government should not be able to force people to violate their religious principles. You cannot show me a single current case that would allow the Federal Government to mandate that religious institutions pay for birth control if they chose not to. If this is actually a good idea the government should stop mandating a doctor's prescription for implants.
the gvt is not mandating any religious institution to provide insurance to cover birth control for anyone that works with a religious institution...ie Church, Synagogue, temple, mosque etc....

Schools and hospitals under their reach, such as catholic charities are made up of schools and hospitals which are for everyone and anyone to utilize and their employees and students are not necessarily a part of their church, nor required to be.... in addition to this, the Catholic charity received 50% of their funding from government, which is another CLEAR indication that it is not an institution for religious purpose.

That's right...you want to take gubmit money you play by gubmit rules.
 
In the early 80s I was just a few states over in NY and NJ. Used to cut through CT on my way to a nice little filly in RI. I stayed away from married women. My shipmates didn't, but I did.

Unless you avoided women completely you cannot say you never slept with a married woman.

Yes, I can. I had plenty of advances from married women once hubby left shore (and married men once we left shore) I wanted nothing to do with that crap. I saw what it did to careers. No thanks.

Oh, and marriages of convenience don't count. :D

All the women you slept with were honest? How can you possibly know that? Are you psychic?

Didn't think so.
 
Yes they did. They actually took the free ones...but never bothered to buy them.

I was a radioman that used to work at a communications station copying messages from merchant and military ships. I can't tell you how many HMO messages I copied that had to do with male members having some sort of oozing sore...

The free condoms didn't work?

They did on our ships. Merchant ships were not so prolific with their prophylactics.

If you are claiming that no one on your boat got an STD I will call you a liar.
 
The issue remains the same, the government should not be able to force people to violate their religious principles. You cannot show me a single current case that would allow the Federal Government to mandate that religious institutions pay for birth control if they chose not to. If this is actually a good idea the government should stop mandating a doctor's prescription for implants.
the gvt is not mandating any religious institution to provide insurance to cover birth control for anyone that works with a religious institution...ie Church, Synagogue, temple, mosque etc....

Schools and hospitals under their reach, such as catholic charities are made up of schools and hospitals which are for everyone and anyone to utilize and their employees and students are not necessarily a part of their church, nor required to be.... in addition to this, the Catholic charity received 50% of their funding from government, which is another CLEAR indication that it is not an institution for religious purpose.

That's right...you want to take gubmit money you play by gubmit rules.

Except that the rule applies even if they don't take government money.
 
Tell you what, I will concede that the government should provide condoms to anyone that wants them, and I will even accept paying for them. But I refuse to pay for anything else related to birth control unless I get to say who you sleep with.
I don't think the government should provide birth control to any one who desires it, I believe if the woman or man is poor and needs them to plan her or his family, or for protection in the case of rubbers, then the government should find a way to provide them, under means testing parameters....and I do believe this will save the gvt long term and this is why they have had an interest in it...as they did with the Military men and providing them with condoms....it's not that they agree with the loose lifestyle, money is their concern imo.

most women on birth control are married while on birth control ...off and on.... for nearly 30- 40 years of their lives....not all are poor though, so the gvt would not be providing such for all of them.

Like I said, give them rubbers. If we start giving the government the authority to mandate birth control it won't be long before it will try to mandate sterilization.

what a stupid comment
 
Minor state? In what respect? Well, I'll let that pass as it obviously illustrates your own ignorance about things you have no clue about.

Minor state in the fact the Oil Companies have to bribe the very few people who live there into doing so.

Yep, you have no fucking clue.
I live here to get away from clueless morons, like you.
 
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First of all nothing is free. Someone is paying for the supposed free birth control. Who? Taxpayers. So it is not free.

You need a car to go to the drugstore should that be paid for by taxpayers? You need a place to have sex. Should that be paid for by taxpayers.

I mean it's got to stop somwhere. We shouldn't be paying for viagra either.

In many cases, the taxpayer is paying for those things.
 

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