Study: Free birth control leads to fewer abortions; Romney wants to cut access.

[Quantum Windbag]

I'll tell you what... As a 20 year sailor, I was sure thankful for the free condoms provided by the US Government. It kept a whole lot of my shipmates safe during port calls...which is why I stood at the prow handing them out.

(they also made great balloons for impromptu parties)

And the free ones worked how much better then the ones they could buy for themselves?

Yes they did. They actually took the free ones...but never bothered to buy them.

I was a radioman that used to work at a communications station copying messages from merchant and military ships. I can't tell you how many HMO messages I copied that had to do with male members having some sort of oozing sore...

The free condoms didn't work?

 

[Valerie]

Who cares and you aren't special. The point is that regular citizens don't get the same t things from *the government* that the enlisted do. There's no comparison. Another logical fallacy to be added to the big pile of steaming odiferous fail that is your contribution to the human race via your pro-baby killing stance.

you are one nasty soul Alley....too bad you are so jealous that I have a good husband who loves me, while you were left by the wayside by your past ex s....

p.s. that's not an insult on your ex s.

Seriously, I don't give a shit about your long suffering husband. The less information about your private life, the better.

I hate you because you spent years posturing as a Christian woman on this site......when in reality you're just a baby killing whore.

I could say the same about you...YOU certainly don't represent Christianity, nor do any of us for that matter. IMO The ultimate Christian thing to do is not allow Government jurisdiction over our reproductive privacy. The alternative is morally more vile. You can have your differing opinion, but it's not very Christian of you to treat Care4all or anyone who disagrees with you in that manner...

 

[Jackson]

I don't find two women in a cat fight entertaining. Why don't you take it to pms.

 

[Care4all]

I don't find two women in a cat fight entertaining. Why don't you take it to pms.

I have no intention of continuing the conversation, so you can relax!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What happened to conservatives?

“It is my view that no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition.… This we have the capacity to do”. Richard Nixon

Firstly, Nixon was a corrupt assclown.

Secondly, no one's saying they should be denied access... just that we shouldn't have to pay for it. You want it, you pay for it.

Yes, Nixon was...does that mean that conservatives that supported his ideologies also became corrupt assclowns? He did run and win as a conservative, right? Did his malfeasance mean that everything conservatives supported in him and voted for became null and void?

Making it a pay for play system does limit access.

The only way I could limit anyone's access to birth control is if I stood in front of the condoms at the drug store and shot people who wanted them. How long, exactly, do you think I could get away with that?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"It is my view that no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition.… This we have the capacity to do”

“We need to make population and family planning household words. We need to take sensationalism out of this topic so that it can no longer be used by militants who have no real knowledge of the voluntary nature of the program but, rather are using it as a political stepping stone. If family planning is anything, it is a public health matter”. ~ George HW Bush

Title X funding passed 298 to 32 in the House and passed the Senate unanimously.

Now you're quoting Bush? com'on, seriously?


Where does it say, taxes should be used so people can have all the sex they want since we gave them free birth control? or even anything like it?

Rubbers were standard issue during world war 2 and the end of world war 1 to the military.... That certainly was tax payer's money funding it.

Tell you what, I will concede that the government should provide condoms to anyone that wants them, and I will even accept paying for them. But I refuse to pay for anything else related to birth control unless I get to say who you sleep with.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Care hates babies.

Jesus was pro-choice.

 

[JoeB131]

Minor state? In what respect? Well, I'll let that pass as it obviously illustrates your own ignorance about things you have no clue about.

Minor state in the fact the Oil Companies have to bribe the very few people who live there into doing so.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Rubbers were standard issue during world war 2 and the end of world war 1 to the military.... That certainly was tax payer's money funding it.

Were they standard issue to the military, or to college and high school kids?

what's the difference? The PURPOSE is the same. The door was opened with funding the military men with them....

The purpose was to protect the military from STDs, not to make sure GI Joe didn't get pregnant.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Now you're quoting Bush? com'on, seriously?


Where does it say, taxes should be used so people can have all the sex they want since we gave them free birth control? or even anything like it?

Rubbers were standard issue during world war 2 and the end of world war 1 to the military.... That certainly was tax payer's money funding it.

To protect their rifles during water landings under fire.

few used them for the actual purpose.

That was why the SGTs handed them out, wasn't it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What happened to conservatives?

“It is my view that no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition.… This we have the capacity to do”. Richard Nixon

Firstly, Nixon was a corrupt assclown.

Secondly, no one's saying they should be denied access... just that we shouldn't have to pay for it. You want it, you pay for it.

That Nixon was a criminal doesn’t mitigate the accuracy of this statement.

For many, it’s defense spending and corporate welfare, every taxpayer ends up paying for something he doesn’t like or support.

It doesn't? Since when? Ever here of critical thinking?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

what's the difference? The PURPOSE is the same. The door was opened with funding the military men with them....

Are you actually equating giving men, how signed up for war, with people who are just to dumb to say; "not now, I don't have protection."?

uhhhh, the point being is that government has been paying for birth control/and safe sex via rubbers for quite some time....

You would think that grown men in the military are adults and can utilize their own self control....but I guess not.

It opened the door to the gvt funding birth control and safe sex. The only difference now regarding gvt funding birth control is that it is women you are concerned with and not men... So Why should my tax dollars go towards grown military men f-ing around, war or not?

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the gvt funding military men with condoms, just wondering why it is okay for the gvt funding the goose, but not the gander?

Unless you think that being pregnant is a disease there is a difference between protecting people from disease and birth control.

 

[Misty]

First of all nothing is free. Someone is paying for the supposed free birth control. Who? Taxpayers. So it is not free.

You need a car to go to the drugstore should that be paid for by taxpayers? You need a place to have sex. Should that be paid for by taxpayers.

I mean it's got to stop somwhere. We shouldn't be paying for viagra either.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Your initial response to my post consisted of basically calling me a liar so it's a little late to get your feelings hurt about being called a squid.

Shallow water sailors, Uncle Sam's Confused Group...trust me, you can't come up with one I haven't heard. Doesn't change the fact that the Navy and the CG were two completely different services (The Coast Guard has been around longer) so your calling bullshit on something you have no knowledge about is where the bullshit falls.

No trips too far abroad, I only got as far as Aruba Cuba Haiti, Guam and Jamaica. Fishing and swimming were great tho.

Who do you think was visiting y'alls wives while you were screwing hairy European gals?

As a Bubble head, I "knew" a few Boomer widows.


Were you in Conn, say '85-87 or 93-95? we may have shared someone.

In the early 80s I was just a few states over in NY and NJ. Used to cut through CT on my way to a nice little filly in RI. I stayed away from married women. My shipmates didn't, but I did.

Unless you avoided women completely you cannot say you never slept with a married woman.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What happened to conservatives?

“It is my view that no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition.… This we have the capacity to do”. Richard Nixon

Firstly, Nixon was a corrupt assclown.

Secondly, no one's saying they should be denied access... just that we shouldn't have to pay for it. You want it, you pay for it.

Oh, horseshit. The crazy Religious nutbags would ban all birth control and abortion if they could get away with it.

Carping about who pays for it is just all they are allowed to do.

Again, a simple solution. Have an extra page on the 1040, and let people check off which controversial programs they want to subsidize.

I'm willing to bet you "full funding for planned Parenthood" gets more check marks than, "20 billion in oil subsidies for the oil companies."

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[Quantum Windbag]

So explain to me why we are paying so much more now that abortion is legal and birth control is available to all...

then we were in 1971?

Inflation has affected everything...I'm not sure what the context of "so much more" is.
I will say that the Title X funding is $300M. That comes from Governor Romney's website. He wants to eliminate it. That $300M is the equivalent of $1 in taxes from each citizen. The Title X funding goes to an exclusive subset of the population so measuring it against the macro is hard to formulate.

Logically looking at it though; doesn't it make sense that fewer kids translate into fewer public resources having to be spent in maintaining the kids?

Governor Romney says, again on his website, that it will cut off funding to "abortion groups" like Planned Parenthood; apparently he feels that the cutting off the funding will lead to fewer abortions. No taxpayer monies go to abortions now--by law. The cutting of the funding will lead to more pregnancies obviously. More pregnancies will lead to more abortions. That is a given.

Today, the Title-X-funded network serves over five million people each year in more than 4500 sites, serving as many patients' usual and even only source of health care. According to the Guttmacher Institute, family planning services at Title-X-funded health centers helped prevent 973,000 unintended pregnancies in 2008, which would likely have resulted in 432,600 unintended births and 406,200 abortions. Title-X-funded services produce significant cost savings to the federal and state governments; services provided at Title-X–supported clinics accounted for $3.4 billion in such savings in 2008 alone. When all 2008 public funds are taken into account, more than $5 billion in public funds were saved — for every public dollar invested in family planning care, nearly $4 in Medicaid expenditures were averted.

Despite the benefit to the public health and the public purse, Title X appropriations have not grown with the need for subsidized care. The program has been chronically underfunded by both Democratic and Republican administrations — if appropriations had kept up with inflation since FY 1980, the program would be funded at $840.1 million rather than the FY 2010 funding level of $317.5 million. Put another way, funding for Title X in constant dollars (i.e., taking inflation into account) is 62% lower today than it was 30 years ago.​

Title X: A Proud Past, An Uncertain Future

You would have a better chance of making your point,m, whatever it is, if you didn't cite Planned Parenthood as proof that we need to fund Planned Parenthood.

 

[Care4all]

Now you're quoting Bush? com'on, seriously?


Where does it say, taxes should be used so people can have all the sex they want since we gave them free birth control? or even anything like it?

Rubbers were standard issue during world war 2 and the end of world war 1 to the military.... That certainly was tax payer's money funding it.

Tell you what, I will concede that the government should provide condoms to anyone that wants them, and I will even accept paying for them. But I refuse to pay for anything else related to birth control unless I get to say who you sleep with.

I don't think the government should provide birth control to any one who desires it, I believe if the woman or man is poor and needs them to plan her or his family, or for protection in the case of rubbers, then the government should find a way to provide them, under means testing parameters....and I do believe this will save the gvt long term and this is why they have had an interest in it...as they did with the Military men and providing them with condoms....it's not that they agree with the loose lifestyle, money is their concern imo.

most women on birth control are married while on birth control ...off and on.... for nearly 30- 40 years of their lives....not all are poor though, so the gvt would not be providing such for all of them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That wasn't birth control, that was to protect to troops from disease. If that's the case, we should be handing out rubbers to these whiny sluts.

And I'll bet you are wondering why the GOP is having problems with women these days...

To tell the truth, what I want to know is why anyone thinks that women have a problem with Republicans.

 

[WillowTree]

Rubbers were standard issue during world war 2 and the end of world war 1 to the military.... That certainly was tax payer's money funding it.

Tell you what, I will concede that the government should provide condoms to anyone that wants them, and I will even accept paying for them. But I refuse to pay for anything else related to birth control unless I get to say who you sleep with.

I don't think the government should provide birth control to any one who desires it, I believe if the woman or man is poor and needs them to plan her or his family, or for protection in the case of rubbers, then the government should find a way to provide them, under means testing parameters....and I do believe this will save the gvt long term and this is why they have had an interest in it...as they did with the Military men and providing them with condoms....it's not that they agree with the loose lifestyle, money is their concern imo.

most women on birth control are married while on birth control ...off and on.... for nearly 30- 40 years of their lives....not all are poor though, so the gvt would not be providing such for all of them.

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Most of the poor don't have a problem accessing beer, wine, meth, pot, and pizza, funny innit? I guess we'll have to subsidize that too. What in the world won't we have to "give" to the poor? Anything?

 

[Maple]

This from The Associated Press.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Free birth control led to dramatically lower rates of abortions and teen births, a large study concludes. The findings were eagerly anticipated and come as a bitterly contested Obama administration policy is poised to offer similar coverage.
The project tracked more than 9,000 women in St. Louis, many of them poor or uninsured. They were given their choice of a range of contraceptive methods at no cost — from birth control pills to goof-proof options like the IUD or a matchstick-sized implant.

When price wasn't an issue, women flocked to the most effective contraceptives — the implanted options, which typically cost hundreds of dollars up-front to insert. These women experienced far fewer unintended pregnancies as a result, reported Dr. Jeffrey Peipert of Washington University in St. Louis in a study published Thursday.

The effect on teen pregnancy was striking: There were 6.3 births per 1,000 teenagers in the study. Compare that to a national rate of 34 births per 1,000 teens in 2010.
There also were substantially lower rates of abortion, when compared with women in the metro area and nationally: 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the study, compared with 13.4 to 17 abortions per 1,000 women overall in the St. Louis region, Peipert calculated. That's lower than the national rate, too, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women.

One has to wonder why the Governor wants to cut off the primary source for low cost contraception to financially challenged women. From his website:

Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.

Associated Press | The Register-Guard | Eugene, Oregon

For $300M (or less than 1/3 the cost of a new destroyer the Navy is building), we could prevent a great many abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and help ensure women's health choices. The $300M spent now will be a lot less than building more schools, expanding entitlements, and building more prisons later on when the unwanted pregnancies are carried to term.

Also it should be noted that Title X money is not only provided to Planned Parenthood (no Title money is used for abortions by the way) but to public health departments across the nation; in red states as well as blue states. It is used to pay for everything from iron tablets to condoms to contraceptive foams and creams.

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~Oddball

The word " free" should clue in the clueless. There is NOTHING free, someone has to pay for it.