Study: Free birth control leads to fewer abortions; Romney wants to cut access.

[Quantum Windbag]

Why do you love nazis so much?

I believe in "learning from history".

Of course, one must actually know history to learn from it.

Government spending due to government regulations:

A history lesson.

In the 1980's Nancy and Ronald Reagan promoted "Just Say No" and we started this "war on drugs". 30 years later...bloated prisons, drugs that are almost as easily available as cigarettes in some states, regulations on top of regulations, and dangerous products on the street replete with gangs fighting over turf. This happened 60 years after Prohibition did the same exact thing to alcohol.

Title X funding which costs American citizens $1 per year or $0.028 cents per day prevents pregnancies which leads to fewer abortions, smaller class sizes, enhances the ability to escalate out of poverty, shrinks the welfare rolls, and ultimately leads to fewer occupants of our prisons if you trust the studies that find correlations between unwanted pregnancies and prison terms.

Stripping it away in some election year stunt under the guise of wanting to starve "abortion groups" is a stupid move.

If you start your history lesson by getting history wrong you are just going to look stupid. The war on drugs started in 1914, not 1980. In 1972 Nixon coined the term war on drug abuse, which was conveniently shortened to war on drugs by the press. This was a continuation of the same policies that led to prohibition.

By the way, Title X does not do what you say if does. Stripping it away would have 0 impact on any of the statistics you just liked it to.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Elaborate.

No one needs to elaborate on anything with you or to you. You're a lowlife bigot who romanticizes the Holocaust and claims to be Jewish. You're beneath contempt.

She asked me a question, I've asked her to elaborate, none of that should be any concern of yours. And FYI, I don't romanticize the Holocaust. If you can't comprehend satire, then that is your problem. Now get back out to that corner and make me some money, You piece of wetback trash.

WTF? LMAO More racism and bigotry from the jew hating moron. I'm not even Mexican you idiot.. I'm russian.. Quick, come up with some type of bigotted slur for Russians.

 

[koshergrl]

You beaner!

 

[koshergrl]

Wait...that's not right....

 

[koshergrl]

Ruskie!

 

[koshergrl]

Cossack cow!

 

[candycorn]

I believe in "learning from history".

Of course, one must actually know history to learn from it.

Government spending due to government regulations:

A history lesson.

In the 1980's Nancy and Ronald Reagan promoted "Just Say No" and we started this "war on drugs". 30 years later...bloated prisons, drugs that are almost as easily available as cigarettes in some states, regulations on top of regulations, and dangerous products on the street replete with gangs fighting over turf. This happened 60 years after Prohibition did the same exact thing to alcohol.

Title X funding which costs American citizens $1 per year or $0.028 cents per day prevents pregnancies which leads to fewer abortions, smaller class sizes, enhances the ability to escalate out of poverty, shrinks the welfare rolls, and ultimately leads to fewer occupants of our prisons if you trust the studies that find correlations between unwanted pregnancies and prison terms.

Stripping it away in some election year stunt under the guise of wanting to starve "abortion groups" is a stupid move.

If you start your history lesson by getting history wrong you are just going to look stupid. The war on drugs started in 1914, not 1980. In 1972 Nixon coined the term war on drug abuse, which was conveniently shortened to war on drugs by the press. This was a continuation of the same policies that led to prohibition.

We pay for these decisions. We're among the most violent advanced societies on earth, we incarcerate more of our citizens than nearly any other country and drugs are a big part of that. Most would chuckle at your suggestion. I'm with them.

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By the way, Title X does not do what you say if does. Stripping it away would have 0 impact on any of the statistics you just liked it to.[/QUOTE]

Tell us what you think title X funding does. It will give us some comic relief.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We pay for these decisions. We're among the most violent advanced societies on earth, we incarcerate more of our citizens than nearly any other country and drugs are a big part of that. Most would chuckle at your suggestion. I'm with them.

What suggestion are you laughing at? The one where I pointed out that history disagrees with you about when the war on drugs started? I suggest you go to Wikipedia and search for war on drugs, then come back and tell everyone that agrees with you that they are wrong.

Tell us what you think title X funding does. It will give us some comic relief.

It doesn't miraculously reduce poverty and crime, that's for sure.

 

[candycorn]

We pay for these decisions. We're among the most violent advanced societies on earth, we incarcerate more of our citizens than nearly any other country and drugs are a big part of that. Most would chuckle at your suggestion. I'm with them.

What suggestion are you laughing at? The one where I pointed out that history disagrees with you about when the war on drugs started? I suggest you go to Wikipedia and search for war on drugs, then come back and tell everyone that agrees with you that they are wrong.

That the war on drugs started in 1914 as most people understand dickweed.

Tell us what you think title X funding does. It will give us some comic relief.

It doesn't miraculously reduce poverty and crime, that's for sure.

So you don't really know what you're talking about...imagine my shock.

 

[JoeB131]

It's equal parts amusing and tragic how dumbocrats (or in this case, hard core communists) equate two things that have nothing to do with each other. In his mind, because France has socialism, France has less abortions.

Please allow me to illustrate the extreme ignorance on display here by giving you an example with actual facts:

In the summer, sales of ice-cream increases (fact)

Also in the summer, the murder rate increases (fact)

So in JoeB.'s simple mind, eating ice-cream causes murder. Now, the actual truth is the cause of both is the hot weather. When it's hot, people head outside and have more interactions with each other, which leads to conflict. In addition, tempers flair more quickly when people are irritable in the heat. And, of course, people consume more cold treats in the heat.

Poodle, what's amusing is that you can't see casual relationships.

Why do women have abortions? Usually, because a baby isn't on their game plan right now. And sometimes, when women get to control their own lady parts, it means they sometimes find themselves pregnant....

So why does France have LESS abortions per capita than the US? Hmmmm.

Okay, because they have "socialism" (which is people actually taking care of each other, what a horrible concept to an Ayn Rand reading douchebag like yourself), it means that when that woman finds herself with a pregnancy she wasn't expecting, she has options. She will have a job when she gets back from maternity leave. She won't have to worry about medical expenses. The government might even send over a social worker to help her along dealing with new motherhood. In short, if she was on the fence about whether to keep the baby, she had options.

Now, the other end, the Phillippines. (Nothing against the Philippines, most Filipinos I've known in my life are the most wonderful people out there.) Abortion is illegal. But the country is dirt poor, there are no jobs, women sell themselves off on the internet to American Men as Mail Order Brides... So no big surprise to anyone reasonable, when a Filipina finds herself with a baby she wasn't planning for, she gets it aborted. There are people who can take care of that. And a lot of them die in botched abortions.

So middle case. The US. Abortion is legal, but you are on your own if you find yourself with a baby you hadn't planned for. ALthough there is supposed to be a law saying you get your job back, it's only if you are back in 12 weeks (unpaid, usually), and I've seen a couple employers (such as the asshole who let me go four years ago and put the lie to Capitalism for me) get rid of pregnant employees at the first oppurtunity. Seriously, this guy fired two girls right after they announced they were pregnant. So you have questionable insurance, a live birth costs somewhere in the range of $3,000-$10,000 dollars not to mention all the lost wages and aftercare.

if Motherhood wasn't on your dance card right now, a $300 abortion looks mighty damned attractive.

So, yeah, when you live in a society where it's every man (and woman) for him(her)self, as opposed to a society where we take care of each other, you are going to have more abortions. Just a fact of life.

 

[JoeB131]

ever notice that Poodle uses bigger fonts when he's losing an argument?

Ever notice that you can't give any explanation as to how I'm supposedly "losing" an argument when I just humiliated you and your boy in front of everyone with facts?

You did? Did the mean old Mods delete your brilliant argument when we weren't looking?

 

[koshergrl]

Most women get abortions because they are bullied into it.

 

[JoeB131]

Fetuses aren't babies

Seriously folks, you can't make this stuff up. This is just how dumb the dumbocrats have gotten. "Fetuses aren't babies"

What are they Joe, vegetables? Are women growing vegetables in their tummies? Maybe you think they are pine trees? Perhaps you believe the woman will ultimately give birth to a Ford F150? God almighty, it's no wonder you've lost so many jobs over the years....

They aren't any of those things, either.

What they are is a mass of tissue the size of a kidney bean that would die sixty seconds after being removed...

Period.

Not a person.

No one goes apeshit over a first trimester miscarriage like they would over a case of SIDS. There would be no funeral, just a lot of awkward stares...

 

[AmyNation]

Most women get abortions because they are bullied into it.

Proof?

 

[candycorn]

Most women get abortions because they are bullied into it.

I wouldn't use the term "most" but I would say there is a high number of them. A rare nearly-accurate post by KG.

 

[JoeB131]

I see candy has started the lie chain back up.

Kill those babies to save babies!

You know that was a Nazi propaganda line, right? Death for life! heil obama!

Fetuses aren't babies, and women had just as many abortions before Roe v. Wade as they did afterwards.

Since abortion providers were never arrested, it was just like the prohibition laws. Laws no one took seriously, and everyone ignored with impunity.

Not according to Planned Parenthood.

PP points out that a lot of women died because the people doing them were incompetant.

WHich I've always said is a dishonest argument. The last year of reporting stats (1972), the CDC recorded only 36 deaths due to septic illegal abortions, and 22 deaths that same year due to legal ones.

The real thing is, even you guys got your wet dream and overturned Roe v. Wade, all that would happen is that most of the states would institute laws reflecting the same procedures. Those that don't would have people who would perform them illegally or off the books, which is exactly what happened before Roe v. Wade.

 

[Dick Tuck]

OP is a Progressive in the ilk of Josef Mengele and Margaret Sanger.

Forced sterilization would be even a more effective means of birth control.

Dude, you have shit for brains. It's white supremists that want to control women's bodies.

 

[AmyNation]

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to wiki, 20% of women report they had an abortion because of pressure.

I'm shocked by that number.

 

[JoeB131]

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to wiki, 20% of women report they had an abortion because of pressure.

I'm shocked by that number.

As am I, but I would ask, pressure by whom?

Parents? Boyfriends/Husbands? Employers? Or just society in general looking down on them?

 

[AmyNation]

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to wiki, 20% of women report they had an abortion because of pressure.

I'm shocked by that number.

As am I, but I would ask, pressure by whom?

Parents? Boyfriends/Husbands? Employers? Or just society in general looking down on them?

According to the last study, 14% cited significant other, and 6% cited parents. It's higher of you add in the society pressure, which I didn't because I dont view "I'm having an abortion because I'm ashamed" as the same as "I'm having an abortion because mom told me to".