Study: Free birth control leads to fewer abortions; Romney wants to cut access.

[koshergrl]

United States abortion rates, 1960-2008

 

[candycorn]

I see candy has started the lie chain back up.

Kill those babies to save babies!

You know that was a Nazi propaganda line, right? Death for life! heil obama!

Actually, that was never the case. What having more kids will do is lead to a higher tax burden for Americans because we, as a society, have judged that we want to support low-income families. The Governor apparently is going to get rid of zero entitlements if you believe his debate performance (giggle), not raise taxes, increase military spending, but take out Big Bird and everything will be hunky dory. I can see why republicans with their strained relationship to education would believe such things.

Cutting off funding to contraception to prevent more abortions is a moronic plank of the Governor's amateurish campaign.

 

[JoeB131]

United States abortion rates, 1960-2008

Again, that was REPORTED abortions.

Before Roe, abortions were performed and UNREPORTED.

It's why the birth rate didn't drop after 1973.

 

[jwoodie]

Old, white Republican men have a better understanding of women and woman's bodies. That's why they need to be in charge.

Plus they have a 25 point higher IQ than you do. But thanks for your concern about the number of abortions: Why is it YOU think fewer is better?

 

[JoeB131]

Old, white Republican men have a better understanding of women and woman's bodies. That's why they need to be in charge.

Plus they have a 25 point higher IQ than you do. But thanks for your concern about the number of abortions: Why is it YOU think fewer is better?

Well, for one thing, it's not a pleasent procedure.

I don't think that a root canal is immoral, but I would encourage good dental hygeine so we have less of them.

The question becomes for sensible people not guided by books of Bronze Age Superstition, how do we get less abortion?

By banning it? Well, no, that never works. Abortion is completely illegal in the Philippines, but Filipinas have 500,000 abortions a year.

Meanwhile, in France, abortion is legal and the government pays for it, but they also pay for the maternity expenses and child care of the women who decide to keep the babies.

Something that would horrify people who don't even want poor kids to have Big Bird.

French women have only half as many abortions as American women do. Now, figure that.

 

[P@triot]

What do you want prisoners to do for 12 hours a day--what types of work? Just curious.

Anything they can that our tax dollars do now. For instance, you can't have them involved with national security, but you can have them repairing roads.

I never understood why I pay a fortune in taxes to house these worthless animals, and then I have to turn around and pay a fortune in taxes to repair roads/bridges/etc.

Since I'm paying for inmates food, healthcare, housing - they least they can do is EARN it.

Ahh...and the jobs that went to non-inmates paving the roads; I guess their out of work now? You're the best advertisement for why we need 4 more years of Obama.

And you're the best advertisement for the extreme ignorance of dumbocrats when it comes to economics.

The results of any action does not exist in a vacuum stupid. With the significant tax cuts that would come from this model, people would have more money in their pockets. When people have more money in their pockets - they do one of two things. Invest or purchase. They will be buying more plasma tv's, which means more manufacturing. They will buy new automobiles, which means more manufacturing. They will invest, which means more brokers, investment advisors, etc. Jobs do not disappear, they shift.

It truly is astounding how ignorant all of you dumbocrats are on economics. Obama keeps blaming "ATM's" for the bad economy like a fucking 6 year old (how does anyone take this dumb ass serious?!?). He, like you, can't comprehend that for every one bank teller job that an ATM has replaced, their were dozens of higher paying jobs created. Someone had to engineer the design of that ATM. Several others had to set up the assembly line that manufactures them. Many others had to work on those assembly lines. Still others had to work in shipping sending them off. Then, more jobs were created by the increased need for UPS/FedEx personnel delivering them around the world. And finally, someone has to repair those units.

How embarrassing for both you and Obama...

 

[JoeB131]

ever notice that Poodle uses bigger fonts when he's losing an argument?

 

[P@triot]

Old, white Republican men have a better understanding of women and woman's bodies. That's why they need to be in charge.

Plus they have a 25 point higher IQ than you do. But thanks for your concern about the number of abortions: Why is it YOU think fewer is better?

Well, for one thing, it's not a pleasent procedure.

I don't think that a root canal is immoral, but I would encourage good dental hygeine so we have less of them.

The question becomes for sensible people not guided by books of Bronze Age Superstition, how do we get less abortion?

By banning it? Well, no, that never works. Abortion is completely illegal in the Philippines, but Filipinas have 500,000 abortions a year.

Meanwhile, in France, abortion is legal and the government pays for it, but they also pay for the maternity expenses and child care of the women who decide to keep the babies.

Something that would horrify people who don't even want poor kids to have Big Bird.

French women have only half as many abortions as American women do. Now, figure that.

It's equal parts amusing and tragic how dumbocrats (or in this case, hard core communists) equate two things that have nothing to do with each other. In his mind, because France has socialism, France has less abortions.

Please allow me to illustrate the extreme ignorance on display here by giving you an example with actual facts:

In the summer, sales of ice-cream increases (fact)

Also in the summer, the murder rate increases (fact)

So in JoeB.'s simple mind, eating ice-cream causes murder. Now, the actual truth is the cause of both is the hot weather. When it's hot, people head outside and have more interactions with each other, which leads to conflict. In addition, tempers flair more quickly when people are irritable in the heat. And, of course, people consume more cold treats in the heat.

 

[P@triot]

ever notice that Poodle uses bigger fonts when he's losing an argument?

Ever notice that you can't give any explanation as to how I'm supposedly "losing" an argument when I just humiliated you and your boy in front of everyone with facts?

 

[P@triot]

Fetuses aren't babies

Seriously folks, you can't make this stuff up. This is just how dumb the dumbocrats have gotten. "Fetuses aren't babies"

What are they Joe, vegetables? Are women growing vegetables in their tummies? Maybe you think they are pine trees? Perhaps you believe the woman will ultimately give birth to a Ford F150? God almighty, it's no wonder you've lost so many jobs over the years....

 

[del]

ever notice that Poodle uses bigger fonts when he's losing an argument?

unfortunately, they don't come big enough for him to win

 

[WillowTree]

Vasectomies at birth. That's my reccomendation.
cheaper all the way around. better for everyone.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Vasectomies at birth. That's my reccomendation.
cheaper all the way around. better for everyone.

Back to practicing eugenics, I see.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

This from The Associated Press.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Free birth control led to dramatically lower rates of abortions and teen births, a large study concludes. The findings were eagerly anticipated and come as a bitterly contested Obama administration policy is poised to offer similar coverage.
The project tracked more than 9,000 women in St. Louis, many of them poor or uninsured. They were given their choice of a range of contraceptive methods at no cost — from birth control pills to goof-proof options like the IUD or a matchstick-sized implant.

When price wasn't an issue, women flocked to the most effective contraceptives — the implanted options, which typically cost hundreds of dollars up-front to insert. These women experienced far fewer unintended pregnancies as a result, reported Dr. Jeffrey Peipert of Washington University in St. Louis in a study published Thursday.

The effect on teen pregnancy was striking: There were 6.3 births per 1,000 teenagers in the study. Compare that to a national rate of 34 births per 1,000 teens in 2010.
There also were substantially lower rates of abortion, when compared with women in the metro area and nationally: 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the study, compared with 13.4 to 17 abortions per 1,000 women overall in the St. Louis region, Peipert calculated. That's lower than the national rate, too, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women.

One has to wonder why the Governor wants to cut off the primary source for low cost contraception to financially challenged women. From his website:

Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.

Associated Press | The Register-Guard | Eugene, Oregon

For $300M (or less than 1/3 the cost of a new destroyer the Navy is building), we could prevent a great many abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and help ensure women's health choices. The $300M spent now will be a lot less than building more schools, expanding entitlements, and building more prisons later on when the unwanted pregnancies are carried to term.

Also it should be noted that Title X money is not only provided to Planned Parenthood (no Title money is used for abortions by the way) but to public health departments across the nation; in red states as well as blue states. It is used to pay for everything from iron tablets to condoms to contraceptive foams and creams.

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~Oddball

This is something we need a study to tell us? Seems obvious to me. When folks can easily obtain birth control, there are less abortions, less poverty, less crime, and less dependency on the federal government. The right wing isn't concerned about solutions that work, though - they have their principles and nothing else matters, not even reality. And they actually WANT there to be a large underclass to supply them with cheap labor. The more unplanned pregnancies that come to term - the more slave wage labor will be availabel 18 years from now.

 

[jwoodie]

Old, white Republican men have a better understanding of women and woman's bodies. That's why they need to be in charge.

Plus they have a 25 point higher IQ than you do. But thanks for your concern about the number of abortions: Why is it YOU think fewer is better?

Well, for one thing, it's not a pleasent procedure.

What's not pleasant about it? Care to explain your disingenuous answer?

 

[koshergrl]

This from The Associated Press.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Free birth control led to dramatically lower rates of abortions and teen births, a large study concludes. The findings were eagerly anticipated and come as a bitterly contested Obama administration policy is poised to offer similar coverage.
The project tracked more than 9,000 women in St. Louis, many of them poor or uninsured. They were given their choice of a range of contraceptive methods at no cost — from birth control pills to goof-proof options like the IUD or a matchstick-sized implant.

When price wasn't an issue, women flocked to the most effective contraceptives — the implanted options, which typically cost hundreds of dollars up-front to insert. These women experienced far fewer unintended pregnancies as a result, reported Dr. Jeffrey Peipert of Washington University in St. Louis in a study published Thursday.

The effect on teen pregnancy was striking: There were 6.3 births per 1,000 teenagers in the study. Compare that to a national rate of 34 births per 1,000 teens in 2010.
There also were substantially lower rates of abortion, when compared with women in the metro area and nationally: 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the study, compared with 13.4 to 17 abortions per 1,000 women overall in the St. Louis region, Peipert calculated. That's lower than the national rate, too, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women.

One has to wonder why the Governor wants to cut off the primary source for low cost contraception to financially challenged women. From his website:

Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.

Associated Press | The Register-Guard | Eugene, Oregon

For $300M (or less than 1/3 the cost of a new destroyer the Navy is building), we could prevent a great many abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and help ensure women's health choices. The $300M spent now will be a lot less than building more schools, expanding entitlements, and building more prisons later on when the unwanted pregnancies are carried to term.

Also it should be noted that Title X money is not only provided to Planned Parenthood (no Title money is used for abortions by the way) but to public health departments across the nation; in red states as well as blue states. It is used to pay for everything from iron tablets to condoms to contraceptive foams and creams.

Forum copyright policy, to be found HERE, prohibits posting of pieces in their entirety and requires that you provide a link.

~Oddball

This is something we need a study to tell us? Seems obvious to me. When folks can easily obtain birth control, there are less abortions, less poverty, less crime, and less dependency on the federal government. The right wing isn't concerned about solutions that work, though - they have their principles and nothing else matters, not even reality. And they actually WANT there to be a large underclass to supply them with cheap labor. The more unplanned pregnancies that come to term - the more slave wage labor will be availabel 18 years from now.

Oh, that explains why we have fewer abortions, less poverty, less crime and less dependency now than we did before low-cost/free birth control and legal abortions became available beginning in the 70s and increasingly available through the decades...

Oh...wait a minute....

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

This from The Associated Press.

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One has to wonder why the Governor wants to cut off the primary source for low cost contraception to financially challenged women. From his website:

Associated Press | The Register-Guard | Eugene, Oregon

For $300M (or less than 1/3 the cost of a new destroyer the Navy is building), we could prevent a great many abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and help ensure women's health choices. The $300M spent now will be a lot less than building more schools, expanding entitlements, and building more prisons later on when the unwanted pregnancies are carried to term.

Also it should be noted that Title X money is not only provided to Planned Parenthood (no Title money is used for abortions by the way) but to public health departments across the nation; in red states as well as blue states. It is used to pay for everything from iron tablets to condoms to contraceptive foams and creams.

Forum copyright policy, to be found HERE, prohibits posting of pieces in their entirety and requires that you provide a link.

~Oddball

This is something we need a study to tell us? Seems obvious to me. When folks can easily obtain birth control, there are less abortions, less poverty, less crime, and less dependency on the federal government. The right wing isn't concerned about solutions that work, though - they have their principles and nothing else matters, not even reality. And they actually WANT there to be a large underclass to supply them with cheap labor. The more unplanned pregnancies that come to term - the more slave wage labor will be availabel 18 years from now.

Oh, that explains why we have fewer abortions, less poverty, less crime and less dependency now than we did before low-cost/free birth control and legal abortions became available beginning in the 70s and increasingly available through the decades...

Oh...wait a minute....

What are you waiting for? Crime HAS gone down significantly since about 18-21 years after Roe v Wade. You're a fucking idiot.

As you can see, in the early 90's, about 20 years after Roe v Wade, crime started dropping.



The povery status of black children also took a dive about 20 years after Roe v Wade

 

[koshergrl]

So of course it's lower now than it was before abortion...right?

 

[koshergrl]

My god you're stupid.

It raised steadily for 20 years.

Now it is plateauing...the population is thoroughly saturated.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

My god you're stupid.

It raised steadily for 20 years.

Now it is plateauing...the population is thoroughly saturated.

What is "it" ?

The population is thoroughly saturated with what?