Surprise! It's a Muslim!

[Coyote]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

There absolutely IS. It's not even a debatable point.

Of course it's debatable.

The "fundamental tenants of Islam" are the Five Pillars.

There is no tenant of "mass murder".

 

[DigitalDrifter]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

 

[Coyote]

No Jesus WASN T a Pacifist The Problem with the Muhammad vs. Jesus Comparisons loonwatch.com

Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.

Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.

Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?

You wouldn't know the difference...just saying

If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.

If you base it entirely on scriptures------you are stupid. If you allude to the OT------unless you have some knowledge of semitic languages and the symbolism and poetic allusions of the time------you have no idea just what you are reading--.----in fact, same is true of the NT------a bit of understanding of the "GREEK" pov at that time helps----and of the Roman POV. Keep in mind that LUKE was a greek
who never met Jesus----as was Paul------John probably did not exist----just a pen name for a whole bunch of people

I read the GITA ------<<< do I understand Hinduism over the past 4000 years?

I agree - the same applies to the Quran. It helps to have a understanding of the history and cultures in which it was written and there have been some well-written books on the Bible and Quran in historical context.

"well written"--------you get the OPINION OF THE AUTHOR.-----. Robert Spencer is a good writer. I read the Koran at about age 20------along with the preface of the
translation by PICKTHALL---------he commented on the LIFE and TIMES and SAINTLINESS of Muhummad the man------
I was so damned confused by that preface that I thought muhummad must have lived 5000 years ago------Pickthall all but credited the man with the invention of the wheel---charity and the sliced bread. -----he even claimed that Muhummad INVENTED the idea of freeing slaves. --------

ok then I read the Koran------I was eager for the ---HUMANE part to kick in.

Robert Spencer is a hate-mongering joke.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

Wow. YOU should be outlawed.

 

[Coyote]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

 

[irosie91]

Comparing Jesus and Muhammad Christianity and Islam

No Jesus WASN T a Pacifist The Problem with the Muhammad vs. Jesus Comparisons loonwatch.com

Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.

Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.

Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?

You wouldn't know the difference...just saying

If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.

Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

 

[Coyote]

No Jesus WASN T a Pacifist The Problem with the Muhammad vs. Jesus Comparisons loonwatch.com

Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.

Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.

Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?

You wouldn't know the difference...just saying

If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.

Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

No. He didn't. Supposedly it was an aid: Abbas Aid Jerusalem Terrorist a Heroic Martyr - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

I have no idea if this is actually verified as true or not.

So this is your Muslim leader?

 

[irosie91]

[

ok then I read the Koran------I was eager for the ---HUMANE part to kick in.[/QUOTE]

Robert Spencer is a hate-mongering joke.[/QUOTE]'

can you cite something from his writings to support your
accusation? -------some "hate mongering"??? I have asked in the past-----several times-----and never got an
answer. Now try to keep in mind------I have relatives --born in Turkey-----way back when

 

[NYcarbineer]

No Jesus WASN T a Pacifist The Problem with the Muhammad vs. Jesus Comparisons loonwatch.com

Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.

Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.

Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?

You wouldn't know the difference...just saying

If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.

Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

You people have latched onto the fallacious argument that not enough Muslims 'object' to the terrorism so they must therefore be sympathetic or complicit.

Don't kid yourself. That is not a valid argument. The innocent have a right to their innocence merely by being innocent.

 

[irosie91]

Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.

Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.

Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?

You wouldn't know the difference...just saying

If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.

Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

No. He didn't. Supposedly it was an aid: Abbas Aid Jerusalem Terrorist a Heroic Martyr - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

I have no idea if this is actually verified as true or not.

So this is your Muslim leader?

yes------did abu mazen repudiate it? abu mazen is NOT
a muslim leader? Regev is an aid to Netanyahu-----if he opens his mouth and says something Netanyahu rejects-----
Netanyahu would have to repudiate it or it is properly
attributed to him. Abu mazen has a rep as a MODERATE---loving ---muslim guy

 

[Kondor3]

...Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

Yes.

I agree completely.

I am a big fan of and a huge believer in Niemoller in that context - despite my substantial bias against Islam.

The 'case of last resort' would be if it is determined that more harm would be done to the Nation and its People by not doing it, than by doing it.

Akin to the simplistic and potentially tragic mindset which says: "shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mentality.

Still, Radical Islam is making it increasingly difficult to stay true to our highest and loftiest standards, and the law itself, in light of our present environment.

The prognosis is not good, and seems to be worsening with each passing month and year.

 

[irosie91]

[


You people have latched onto the fallacious argument that not enough Muslims 'object' to the terrorism so they must therefore be sympathetic or complicit.

Don't kid yourself. That is not a valid argument. The innocent have a right to their innocence merely by being innocent.[/QUOTE]

who is "YOU PEOPLE"--???? the ethos of a people is determined by its leaders and notables------the majority are
PASSIVE-----innocents. SO? same was true of Nazi germany

 

[Kondor3]

"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"

Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!

How many more dozens of times do such things need to happen before you deign to recognize the pattern (Muslim-centric) for what it it?

Others - equally committed to religious egalitarianism, but stopping short of cultural self-suicide - believe that the pattern is already sufficiently established, and have no need to wait further, to 'declare' the pattern for what it is.

Should we establish a different set of rights and privileges for black Americans because of the high black crime rate?

The Nation and its People react as the need arises.

Let us hope that it does not come to that, but Safety will win in the end, if things get bad enough - which is the direction that we seem to be going.

 

[Coyote]

You wouldn't know the difference...just saying

If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.

Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

No. He didn't. Supposedly it was an aid: Abbas Aid Jerusalem Terrorist a Heroic Martyr - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

I have no idea if this is actually verified as true or not.

So this is your Muslim leader?

yes------did abu mazen repudiate it?

No idea. Like I said I don't even know if this is true or not.

abu mazen is NOT
a muslim leader?

Doesn't matter. He didn't say it or endorse it.

Regev is an aid to Netanyahu-----if he opens his mouth and says something Netanyahu rejects-----
Netanyahu would have to repudiate it or it is properly
attributed to him. Abu mazen has a rep as a MODERATE---loving ---muslim guy

It does not matter. He did not say or endorse it. At this point - no "Muslim leaders" have said anything.

 

[irosie91]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

what does "FOLLOWED" mean? I have known lots of muslims-------who never killed anyone------but just about all
found the idea of SHARIAH to be------UTOPIA -----(---lol---
you don't understand-----what a GOOD SOCIETY THE TALIBAN ARE CREATING<<< I got that one from a young
Pakistani doc------who had no idea that my own hubby was born in a shariah cesspit------or even that I am a jew) In accordance with SHARIAH LAW------all non monotheists are to be killed-------and all non muslim monotheists must be
SUBJUGATED ---virtually enslaved ---to the filth of Islamic rule and oppression------<<<< A BASIC TENET OF ISLAM-----absolutely------now find the muslim clerics who reject that one or even the average muslims who will KNOCK IT

 

[irosie91]

"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"

Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!

How many more dozens of times do such things need to happen before you deign to recognize the pattern (Muslim-centric) for what it it?

Others - equally committed to religious egalitarianism, but stopping short of cultural self-suicide - believe that the pattern is already sufficiently established, and have no need to wait further, to 'declare' the pattern for what it is.

Should we establish a different set of rights and privileges for black Americans because of the high black crime rate?

The Nation and its People react as the need arises.

Let us hope that it does not come to that, but Safety will win in the end, if things get bad enough - which is the direction that we seem to be going.

absolutely-------it will proabably happen in a few countries in Europe before it happens in the USA

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"

Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!

How many more dozens of times do such things need to happen before you deign to recognize the pattern (Muslim-centric) for what it it?

Others - equally committed to religious egalitarianism, but stopping short of cultural self-suicide - believe that the pattern is already sufficiently established, and have no need to wait further, to 'declare' the pattern for what it is.

Should we establish a different set of rights and privileges for black Americans because of the high black crime rate?

The Nation and its People react as the need arises.

Let us hope that it does not come to that, but Safety will win in the end, if things get bad enough - which is the direction that we seem to be going.

Really? And you don't think you're delusional to seriously entertain the idea that the American people are going to effectively overturn most of the Constitution as it relates to civil rights to accomplish all of that?

 

[NoNukes]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

If he were a Christian, would you be creating a thread about it?

On the other hand, if he were a Christian doing it in the name of Christ, then I would be REALLY fucking shocked.

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

If he were a Christian, would you be creating a thread about it?

On the other hand, if he were a Christian doing it in the name of Christ, then I would be REALLY fucking shocked.

And even if it were, Christians around the world are not striking out at non-believers, they are not calling for the death of all non-believers, they are not organizing in armies and working to terrorize the world.

There are a few extremists that you are talking about out of how m,any people?

 

[Coyote]

can you cite something from his writings to support your
accusation? -------some "hate mongering"??? I have asked in the past-----several times-----and never got an
answer. Now try to keep in mind------I have relatives --born in Turkey-----way back when

We went over this in another thread you and I - I'm not going to repeat myself or post the same citations again and again.

You got an answer - you just didn't like it. We have different opinions on Spencer.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[


You people have latched onto the fallacious argument that not enough Muslims 'object' to the terrorism so they must therefore be sympathetic or complicit.

Don't kid yourself. That is not a valid argument. The innocent have a right to their innocence merely by being innocent.

who is "YOU PEOPLE"--???? the ethos of a people is determined by its leaders and notables------the majority are
PASSIVE-----innocents. SO? same was true of Nazi germany[/QUOTE]

"you people" applies to whoever has the foot upon which the shoe fits. In this case 'You' and 'Anyone who agrees with You".