Surprise! It's a Muslim!

[Roudy]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

He was guy who called himself a Muslim. That's meaningless. All sorts of terrorists have come along in this country who called themselves Christians.

Yeah? Where do you get your info from, www.apologist.com ?

He was a convert to Islam who they just confirmed had ties with Jihadist abroad. If something looks like shit, better you don't step in it.

Well all the anti-abortion terrorists call themselves Christians but you don't see too many non-terrorists Christians embracing them for their faith.

Are you seriously comparing the worldwide problem with Islam and Islamic terrorism to anti abortionists in the USA? You're kidding, right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

He was guy who called himself a Muslim. That's meaningless. All sorts of terrorists have come along in this country who called themselves Christians.

Yeah? Where do you get your info from, www.apologist.com ?

He was a convert to Islam who they just confirmed had ties with Jihadist abroad. If something looks like shit, better you don't step in it.

Well all the anti-abortion terrorists call themselves Christians but you don't see too many non-terrorists Christians embracing them for their faith.

Are you seriously comparing the worldwide problem with Islam and Islamic terrorism to anti abortionists in the USA? You're kidding, right?

I don't think terrorism requires a minimum amount before it's terrorism. I think shooting one abortion doctor in the name of the Christian God, Jesus, and the rest of the lot constitutes an act of terror all on its own.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

He was guy who called himself a Muslim. That's meaningless. All sorts of terrorists have come along in this country who called themselves Christians.

Yeah? Where do you get your info from, www.apologist.com ?

He was a convert to Islam who they just confirmed had ties with Jihadist abroad. If something looks like shit, better you don't step in it.

Well all the anti-abortion terrorists call themselves Christians but you don't see too many non-terrorists Christians embracing them for their faith.

Are you seriously comparing the worldwide problem with Islam and Islamic terrorism to anti abortionists in the USA? You're kidding, right?

So Christian terrorism is okay as long as there isn't too much of it?

Seriously? Are you insane?

 

[Kondor3]

...No....Islam is at war with US and our allys. WE are sitting ducks.

I wish I could say you were wrong, but you are probably closer to being right.

We're talking about a hybrid political-cultural-legal system wrapped in the guise of a religious belief system.

A system whose charter documents are soaked in a blood-soaked launch into the world and which are saturated with permissions to wage war upon and commit violence against unbelievers, and strong injunctions to come to the aid of believers, when facing nonbelievers - a recipe for perpetual violence egged on by any old street-corner mullah's fatwa.

Other religious belief systems have bloody histories as well but that's the point - it's history.

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Christendom called for a Crusade, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

The 1500s? The 1600s? And, by then, only in connection with Christendom-internal warfare focused upon heresy?

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Islam called for a Jihad, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

Yesterday? The day before? Any of several places throughout North Africa and the Middle East and Southern Asia? Most of it focused beyond the domains of Islam?

Apples and oranges.

Most folks are willing to concede that a great many (perhaps the majority of) Muslims are peaceful by nature.

But the foundation upon which their belief-system is built, is blood soaked, and it renders them highly susceptible to manipulation, and inclining them to war and violence on a hair trigger.

Rendering Islam, therefore, dangerous, in our times.

Rather like a loaded automatic pistol lying-about the kid's room, with the safety off.

 

[Roudy]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

If he were a Christian, would you be creating a thread about it?

If it was an ongoing worldwide thing with Christians, yes.

 

[irosie91]

Comparing Jesus and Muhammad Christianity and Islam

No Jesus WASN T a Pacifist The Problem with the Muhammad vs. Jesus Comparisons loonwatch.com

The article you cite is both superficial and factually flawed,
I agree that doing "comparisons" between Jesus and Muhummad is a worthless endeavor. ----some of my opinion is based on my understandjng of that which is
KNOWN about each of the persons under review-----
almost nothing. A more fruitful discussion is-----simple---
ISLAM VS CHRISTIANITY--------for practical reasons----
as they both exist today.. I read the Koran at approximately age 20----at a time when I knew about as
much about islam as I knew about Hinduism----I had already read the GITA (that did not help either)-----I read the Iliad and Divine comedy at age 14-----and was still clueless. The article cited says almost nothing of value----and is actually
misleading and full of errors---------btw---the prime directive
for the jews of canaan was never "SLAY ALL THE OTHER
INHABITANTS" <<< a small point----but little glaring "mistakes"-----do detract from the value of any discussion.
Robert Spencer is far from "fringe"-----he is a person of Turkish heritage-----catholic-----his writings are scholarly.
I have asked persons who seem to see him as "extremist"---
for examples of that "extremism"----and never got an answer. He provides important insights to life as a catholic in the OTTOMAN EMPIRE ------some people might consider him important now that some nuts are desperate to revive the OTTOMAN EMPIRE (that's not isis----but just as
nefarious)

 

[irosie91]

roudy----I am confused...... you were surprised????

 

[Roudy]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

He was guy who called himself a Muslim. That's meaningless. All sorts of terrorists have come along in this country who called themselves Christians.

Yeah? Where do you get your info from, www.apologist.com ?

He was a convert to Islam who they just confirmed had ties with Jihadist abroad. If something looks like shit, better you don't step in it.

Well all the anti-abortion terrorists call themselves Christians but you don't see too many non-terrorists Christians embracing them for their faith.

Are you seriously comparing the worldwide problem with Islam and Islamic terrorism to anti abortionists in the USA? You're kidding, right?

So Christian terrorism is okay as long as there isn't too much of it?

Seriously? Are you insane?

No terrorism is okay, but it isn't "anti abortionists" an inactive group that are threatening the entire world.

 

[Roudy]

roudy----I am confused...... you were surprised????

Yes, I was totally shocked. It was very unexpected.

I was thinking more like a Buddhist or an anti abortionist Christian.

Muslims are such peaceful non violent people.

 

[Roudy]

...No....Islam is at war with US and our allys. WE are sitting ducks.

I wish I could say you were wrong, but you are probably closer to being right.

We're talking about a hybrid political-cultural-legal system wrapped in the guise of a religious belief system.

A system whose charter documents are soaked in a blood-soaked launch into the world and which are saturated with permissions to wage war upon and commit violence against unbelievers, and strong injunctions to come to the aid of believers, when facing nonbelievers - a recipe for perpetual violence egged on by any old street-corner mullah's fatwa.

Other religious belief systems have bloody histories as well but that's the point - it's history.

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Christendom called for a Crusade, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

The 1500s? The 1600s? And, by then, only in connection with Christendom-internal warfare focused upon heresy?

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Islam called for a Jihad, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

Yesterday? The day before? Any of several places throughout North Africa and the Middle East and Southern Asia? Most of it focused beyond the domains of Islam?

Apples and oranges.

Most folks are willing to concede that a great many (perhaps the majority of) Muslims are peaceful by nature.

But the foundation upon which their belief-system is built, is blood soaked, and it renders them highly susceptible to manipulation, and inclining them to war and violence on a hair trigger.

Rendering Islam, therefore, dangerous, in our times.

Rather like a loaded automatic pistol lying-about the kid's room, with the safety off.

Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

 

[NYcarbineer]

...No....Islam is at war with US and our allys. WE are sitting ducks.

I wish I could say you were wrong, but you are probably closer to being right.

We're talking about a hybrid political-cultural-legal system wrapped in the guise of a religious belief system.

A system whose charter documents are soaked in a blood-soaked launch into the world and which are saturated with permissions to wage war upon and commit violence against unbelievers, and strong injunctions to come to the aid of believers, when facing nonbelievers - a recipe for perpetual violence egged on by any old street-corner mullah's fatwa.

Other religious belief systems have bloody histories as well but that's the point - it's history.

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Christendom called for a Crusade, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

The 1500s? The 1600s? And, by then, only in connection with Christendom-internal warfare focused upon heresy?

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Islam called for a Jihad, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

Yesterday? The day before? Any of several places throughout North Africa and the Middle East and Southern Asia? Most of it focused beyond the domains of Islam?

Apples and oranges.

Most folks are willing to concede that a great many (perhaps the majority of) Muslims are peaceful by nature.

But the foundation upon which their belief-system is built, is blood soaked, and it renders them highly susceptible to manipulation, and inclining them to war and violence on a hair trigger.

Rendering Islam, therefore, dangerous, in our times.

Rather like a loaded automatic pistol lying-about the kid's room, with the safety off.

So is the foundation of Christianity blood soaked.

And if you add it up, I'm guessing Christians in history have killed more Muslims than vice versa.

 

[irosie91]

anyone have any Buddhist atrocities to discuss-----now that we
are ON THE SUBJECT-------well---the tamils do hate them-----
I have known a few tamils in my life--------they seemed really
DANGEROUS---too----------both were compete and absolute
vegetarians-----not even eggs. It was a tamil that killed Rajiv gandhi

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"

Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!

 

[irosie91]

Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.

Islam, where brain cells go to die.

Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,

(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.

The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.

Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.

Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.

He was guy who called himself a Muslim. That's meaningless. All sorts of terrorists have come along in this country who called themselves Christians.

Yeah? Where do you get your info from, www.apologist.com ?

He was a convert to Islam who they just confirmed had ties with Jihadist abroad. If something looks like shit, better you don't step in it.

Well all the anti-abortion terrorists call themselves Christians but you don't see too many non-terrorists Christians embracing them for their faith.

Are you seriously comparing the worldwide problem with Islam and Islamic terrorism to anti abortionists in the USA? You're kidding, right?

I don't think terrorism requires a minimum amount before it's terrorism. I think shooting one abortion doctor in the name of the Christian God, Jesus, and the rest of the lot constitutes an act of terror all on its own.

I can see such an act is AN ACT OF TERRORISM-----but it is not really a program of terrorism --------it is more a kind of
isolated CRIME based on religious belief------there are a few people who actually do see abortion docs as "MURDERERS"----------if the anti abortionists decided to
bomb the children of anyone working in an abortion clinic----
I would call THAT terrorism. To me terrorism is a systematic program to intimidate whole populations into
capitulation

 

[mudwhistle]

The Quran, pot, PCP, and a shotgun...........a bad mix for sure.

Are you blind?

That's not a shotgun. It's a 30-30 Winchester lever action rifle. I had one when I was 15. It was my first gun.

 

[Kondor3]

...So is the foundation of Christianity blood soaked...

Agreed.

...And if you add it up, I'm guessing Christians in history have killed more Muslims than vice versa.

Agreed.

However (reiterating some of my previous post, in direct counterpoint to your entirely valid observation)...

----------

...

Other religious belief systems have bloody histories as well but that's the point - it's history.

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Christendom called for a Crusade, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

The 1500s? The 1600s? And, by then, only in connection with Christendom-internal warfare focused upon heresy?

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Islam called for a Jihad, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

Yesterday? The day before? Any of several places throughout North Africa and the Middle East and Southern Asia? Most of it focused beyond the domains of Islam?

Apples and oranges.

...

 

[Kondor3]

"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"

Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!

How many more dozens of times do such things need to happen before you deign to recognize the pattern (Muslim-centric) for what it it?

Others - equally committed to religious egalitarianism, but stopping short of cultural self-suicide - believe that the pattern is already sufficiently established, and have no need to wait further, to 'declare' the pattern for what it is.

 

[irosie91]

"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"

Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!
[/QUOTE

^^^^^ what does that mean?

...No....Islam is at war with US and our allys. WE are sitting ducks.

I wish I could say you were wrong, but you are probably closer to being right.

We're talking about a hybrid political-cultural-legal system wrapped in the guise of a religious belief system.

A system whose charter documents are soaked in a blood-soaked launch into the world and which are saturated with permissions to wage war upon and commit violence against unbelievers, and strong injunctions to come to the aid of believers, when facing nonbelievers - a recipe for perpetual violence egged on by any old street-corner mullah's fatwa.

Other religious belief systems have bloody histories as well but that's the point - it's history.

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Christendom called for a Crusade, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

The 1500s? The 1600s? And, by then, only in connection with Christendom-internal warfare focused upon heresy?

When was the last time that a credible political or religious leader within Islam called for a Jihad, with any realistic expectation of the gauntlet being picked up?

Yesterday? The day before? Any of several places throughout North Africa and the Middle East and Southern Asia? Most of it focused beyond the domains of Islam?

Apples and oranges.

Most folks are willing to concede that a great many (perhaps the majority of) Muslims are peaceful by nature.

But the foundation upon which their belief-system is built, is blood soaked, and it renders them highly susceptible to manipulation, and inclining them to war and violence on a hair trigger.

Rendering Islam, therefore, dangerous, in our times.

Rather like a loaded automatic pistol lying-about the kid's room, with the safety off.

So is the foundation of Christianity blood soaked.

And if you add it up, I'm guessing Christians in history have killed more Muslims than vice versa.

You may or may not be right about----Christians killed more muslims than vice versa-----maybe----However-- muslims have killed far far far more people than have Christians-----
ALTOGETHER ------hindus, Zoroastrians, Jews, ----and--also Christians-----and----also "others"-------I believe that even when it comes to Christians----muslims have killed more. You seem to have forgotten the Armenian genocide----and the Biafran genocide -----(Christians)

 

[Kondor3]

...Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

 

[irosie91]

remember "do you belong to any group that supports the violent overthrow of the USA GOVENMENT"-----it was a valid
question----back then------albeit now very much discredited------
but I have a feeling it will be REVIVED