Sympathy for the Devil?

[LoneLaugher]

So the Dems, trying to deflect from Obama's unmitigated record of failure and disaster, are once again beating the dead horse of Bush-era interrogations. You'd think 6 years of this crap would be enough.
Does anyone else here just find themselves unable to garner sympathy for the likes of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his pals in the face of such horrors as being fed Ensure? Compare what we did to what they would have done to Americans given half the chance and I just fail to be outraged.

I agree..........to hell with them.

They are enemies of the United States and humanity in general. They torture and butcher those they capture and deserve what they get.

To those who disagree..........who the F cares.

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

 

[eagle1462010]

I agree..........to hell with them.

They are enemies of the United States and humanity in general. They torture and butcher those they capture and deserve what they get.

To those who disagree..........who the F cares.

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

That's why we should rape their women and castrate their children. Anything less means we're not serious about victory and hate America. Will you join me in supporting this eagle?

I'd knock your lights out on that one.............

The tactics used in Gitmo are mild.........................and they aren't about raping and killing children,.......it's about putting a known enemy combatant through a little hell to find out where his buddies are...............and nothing more.

Just "a little" hell? We need to kidnap their families and execute them one by one, raping the women beforehand. That will get them talking far faster than your little cat and mouse games. Anything less and your a 'Murica hating liberal.

Whatever..............Just understand that I'd be prepared to do what I have to do to save American lives............and that doesn't include the Sarcastic BS you posted.......................

 

[The Rabbi]

I agree..........to hell with them.

They are enemies of the United States and humanity in general. They torture and butcher those they capture and deserve what they get.

To those who disagree..........who the F cares.

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

You know this, how?
You dont. You cant. You just throw it out like it's truth. Because you cannot form an argument based on logic and facts and then defend it.
This might be because you are 18 years old and still a high school sophmore.

 

[eagle1462010]

I agree..........to hell with them.

They are enemies of the United States and humanity in general. They torture and butcher those they capture and deserve what they get.

To those who disagree..........who the F cares.

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

That's why we should rape their women and castrate their children. Anything less means we're not serious about victory and hate America. Will you join me in supporting this eagle?

I'd knock your lights out on that one.............

The tactics used in Gitmo are mild.........................and they aren't about raping and killing children,.......it's about putting a known enemy combatant through a little hell to find out where his buddies are...............and nothing more.

Just "a little" hell? We need to kidnap their families and execute them one by one, raping the women beforehand. That will get them talking far faster than your little cat and mouse games. Anything less and your a 'Murica hating liberal.

Whatever..............Just understand that I'd be prepared to do what I have to do to save American lives............and that doesn't include the Sarcastic BS you posted.......................

Then go stick a flower in your butt hippie

 

[TheOldSchool]

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

 

[eagle1462010]

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

That's why we should rape their women and castrate their children. Anything less means we're not serious about victory and hate America. Will you join me in supporting this eagle?

I'd knock your lights out on that one.............

The tactics used in Gitmo are mild.........................and they aren't about raping and killing children,.......it's about putting a known enemy combatant through a little hell to find out where his buddies are...............and nothing more.

Just "a little" hell? We need to kidnap their families and execute them one by one, raping the women beforehand. That will get them talking far faster than your little cat and mouse games. Anything less and your a 'Murica hating liberal.

Whatever..............Just understand that I'd be prepared to do what I have to do to save American lives............and that doesn't include the Sarcastic BS you posted.......................

Then go stick a flower in your butt hippie

LOL

You sound like your experienced in that...............That's your problem and not mine.

 

[eagle1462010]

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

Yep...........your turn.................The few versus the many unless you are retarded Liberal...................

I answered it....................Your turn.............

BTW would you do it to save your own family from a bunch of thugs............or say Oh well..........my families dead because I'm a kitty kat Liberal......................

 

[Roadrunner]

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

I wouldn't swat a fly to save New York City.

 

[TheOldSchool]

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

Yep...........your turn.................The few versus the many unless you are retarded Liberal...................

I answered it....................Your turn.............

BTW would you do it to save your own family from a bunch of thugs............or say Oh well..........my families dead because I'm a kitty kat Liberal......................

Would you rape a baby and curb stomp a pregnant woman to save New York City?

 

[eagle1462010]

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

I wouldn't swat a fly to save New York City.

 

[tosacco]

Yeah, who cares if more than 20% were wrongfully held and our government lied to us while using techniques looked down upon by the international community and, according to this report, weren't even useful in getting information.

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

This is a completely absurd, fictional scenario. I am more interested in defining standards. At what point should it be acceptable to use torture? Who defines these standards? What should be the consequences if we, as a country, do not live up to these standards? What types of torture are ethical, and which are not? How do you deliniate between what is and is not ethical? How transparent should our government be surrounding these practices? Is it acceptable that they lie to the American people? Should was assume that our government is operative with the best of interests?

 

[tosacco]

*operating

 

[eagle1462010]

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

Yep...........your turn.................The few versus the many unless you are retarded Liberal...................

I answered it....................Your turn.............

BTW would you do it to save your own family from a bunch of thugs............or say Oh well..........my families dead because I'm a kitty kat Liberal......................

Would you rape a baby and curb stomp a pregnant woman to save New York City?

Why should I answer you................It doesn't work that way................You refuse to answer the questions and keep asking questions tssk tssk.

I agree with the OP and own up to the fact that I would do so...............That's the deal..............so grow a set.

 

[TheOldSchool]

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

Yep...........your turn.................The few versus the many unless you are retarded Liberal...................

I answered it....................Your turn.............

BTW would you do it to save your own family from a bunch of thugs............or say Oh well..........my families dead because I'm a kitty kat Liberal......................

Would you rape a baby and curb stomp a pregnant woman to save New York City?

Why should I answer you................It doesn't work that way................You refuse to answer the questions and keep asking questions tssk tssk.

I agree with the OP and own up to the fact that I would do so...............That's the deal..............so grow a set.

I know you agree with the OP. I'm trying to find what depth republicans finally won't sink to. I thought you could help me with that.

Alas

 

[eagle1462010]

We are in a War where the enemy tortures and crucifies captured people. They cut the heads off little babies...........it was these types who killed 3000 of our people, many burned alive or jumping out of the buildings.

They don't deserve respect, and don't deserve my sympathy.................That's the deal with me. A little water boarding and sleep deprivation..........Wah Wah wah.

You speak as though you are a radical extremist. America does not torture.

Riddle me this................a terrorist is caught in New York city.................You know he has information to a dirty bomb or nuke................that will kill everyone in the city...................millions to die...................

Will you torture his ass to save the city or quote BS rules of engagement and let millions die...........................

Information by these tactics got some information on our enemies including OBL.................it helped take them down and saved lives with the information...............

That terrorist who knows about New York..............I'd torture his ass off to stop it.

Would you...........................

No. Torture doesn't work. Resorting to it because you are afraid is unAmerican. Believing the lie that torture led to OBL or saving lives is the way that you excuse your fears.

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

This is a completely absurd, fictional scenario. I am more interested in defining standards. At what point should it be acceptable to use torture? Who defines these standards? What should be the consequences if we, as a country, do not live up to these standards? What types of torture are ethical, and which are not? How do you deliniate between what is and is not ethical? How transparent should our government be surrounding these practices? Is it acceptable that they lie to the American people? Should was assume that our government is operative with the best of interests?

It's an opinionated thread. So I ask opinionated questions on under what scenario's you would do so in order to save lives......................

But to some...................that puts a road bump on their moral RIGHTEOUSNESS in these types of threads............

Most will not answer because they no damn good and well that if push came to shove they do exactly what I've said here.

They just don't want to grow a set and say it openly.

 

[deltex1]

Don't you think we should be holding ourselves to a higher standard than our enemy?

The standard in war is to kill your enemy...water boarding falls far short of that.

 

[eagle1462010]

LOL

Are the people torturing by Water boarding afraid that the guy will accidentally take a leak on them.......................................

Save it........................for someone who agrees with you..............

Pop quiz asshole................will you torture the guy to save New York City................or not answer that scenario.

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

Yep...........your turn.................The few versus the many unless you are retarded Liberal...................

I answered it....................Your turn.............

BTW would you do it to save your own family from a bunch of thugs............or say Oh well..........my families dead because I'm a kitty kat Liberal......................

Would you rape a baby and curb stomp a pregnant woman to save New York City?

Why should I answer you................It doesn't work that way................You refuse to answer the questions and keep asking questions tssk tssk.

I agree with the OP and own up to the fact that I would do so...............That's the deal..............so grow a set.

I know you agree with the OP. I'm trying to find what depth republicans finally won't sink to. I thought you could help me with that.

Alas

Alas you will not engage in the areas I suggested..................That is a double standard.........You want others to play the game but without willing to commit to areas you know good and well you'd do it to.

 

[tosacco]

Don't you think we should be holding ourselves to a higher standard than our enemy?

The standard in war is to kill your enemy...water boarding falls far short of that.

How are we defining who is and is not our enemy when we are not at war with a traditional military governed by a nation or state? Also, should "kill your enemy" really be your goal in war? How does one determine when all their enemies are gone? When does war end? What constitutes success?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Will you murder a family to save New York City..............or not answer that scenario.

Yep...........your turn.................The few versus the many unless you are retarded Liberal...................

I answered it....................Your turn.............

BTW would you do it to save your own family from a bunch of thugs............or say Oh well..........my families dead because I'm a kitty kat Liberal......................

Would you rape a baby and curb stomp a pregnant woman to save New York City?

Why should I answer you................It doesn't work that way................You refuse to answer the questions and keep asking questions tssk tssk.

I agree with the OP and own up to the fact that I would do so...............That's the deal..............so grow a set.

I know you agree with the OP. I'm trying to find what depth republicans finally won't sink to. I thought you could help me with that.

Alas

Alas you will not engage in the areas I suggested..................That is a double standard.........You want others to play the game but without willing to commit to areas you know good and well you'd do it to.

No I will not rape a baby and curb stomp a pregnant woman. It should alarm you that someone asked you that question because they legitimately don't know what you'd answer.