Tax the rich, lose the rich

[bucs90]

I've been getting off my ass and working for it for 20 years - just to make my employers wealthy. Most of whom are major stock holders have never worked a day in their life.

And no, you fucking moron, when people work and are productive, THEY CERTAINLY ARE OWED FOR IT.

THE DAYS OF SLAVERY ARE ABOUT TO END!

Did your employers pay you for the work you did according to what you both agreed the job paid?

No. In each and every instance of employment, employers, knowing that I was a typical working class person with no financial reserves, dictated my pay. It was certainly never related to the actual value of my work to the employer. If it was I would have been a multi-millionaire long ago.

Salary levels determination are based on two things - the maintenance of social stability and the economically advantaged taking the maximum advantage of the economically disadvantaged.

HAHA!! WRONG!!

You are worth whatever the market value for that labor is worth. An NFL quarterback is worth $10 million because the owner gets an equal return on his investment. YOU and your labor? It's worth whatever he's paying you.

And if your labor is worth so much more, then you are a fucking moron for allowing yourself to be played like that. You should quit, go to a company that pays market value that you are worth, or start your own business.

If your work is very very hard and very very important, but there happens to be 35,000,000 other people doing the same job, well, supply and demand buddy. LOTS of supply of people who do that labor, means little demand, and little pay.

No one applies for a job that they expect to pay $1,000,000 a year, and accept it form $50,000 a year. You applied for it, took it, and keep showing up for it. Complain to the mirror, not me.

 

[bucs90]

You owe your employers value for what they pay you.

Without a doubt. Now, if my (and everyone else's) employers would pay in accordance with that value we wouldn't be having the current economic crisis.

But that would be called 'changing the wealth distribution', wouldn't it?

You are confusing "importance" with "value".

Laying bricks is a very important job. Without it, our buildings would crumble.

But the value of a bricklayer is very low. Why? Almost anyone can do it. (no offense to bricklayers, it's a physically tough job, but anyone who is healthy and determined can do it). Same with jobs like a janitor, a security guard, and most all entry level factory jobs.

If a majority of able bodied and willing humans are capable of doing the job, the pay will be low just because the supply of potential workers is so large.

So while your job may be important to the overall operations of your company, it is likely that a lot of people also do that job, and it's a job that most anyone could learn to do quickly, thus making the supply of labor very large, and the demand for it low. Hence not getting paid what you think you are worth.

But, in capitalist America, even if you aren't getting paid what you think you should, you are still in the top 95% wealthiest people on Earth. So be thankful, capitalism has been good to you just by living in this country alone. That is, unless you can show me the communist or socialist country in the world that is far richer than us. I'll hold my breathe for that one.

 

[topspin]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

 

[daveman]

About November: the Dems will not lose either chamber, they are going to be finally pissed off with you reactionaries pretending to be GOP, and they will ram reconciliation down your throats.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Without a doubt. Now, if my (and everyone else's) employers would pay in accordance with that value we wouldn't be having the current economic crisis.

But that would be called 'changing the wealth distribution', wouldn't it?

You are confusing "importance" with "value".

Laying bricks is a very important job. Without it, our buildings would crumble.

But the value of a bricklayer is very low. Why? Almost anyone can do it. (no offense to bricklayers, it's a physically tough job, but anyone who is healthy and determined can do it). Same with jobs like a janitor, a security guard, and most all entry level factory jobs.

If a majority of able bodied and willing humans are capable of doing the job, the pay will be low just because the supply of potential workers is so large.

So while your job may be important to the overall operations of your company, it is likely that a lot of people also do that job, and it's a job that most anyone could learn to do quickly, thus making the supply of labor very large, and the demand for it low. Hence not getting paid what you think you are worth.

But, in capitalist America, even if you aren't getting paid what you think you should, you are still in the top 95% wealthiest people on Earth. So be thankful, capitalism has been good to you just by living in this country alone. That is, unless you can show me the communist or socialist country in the world that is far richer than us. I'll hold my breathe for that one.

Link on the "95% wealthiest people on Earth". The research will show that you are wrong. Second, your sentence does not really say what I think you want it to mean. The way it is written, literally, the interp is that only 5% of the human race is poorer than the other 95%.

 

[Jarhead]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Tax the job creators (the rich) if it will help with the deficit. But dont do it when you are asking the job creators (the rich) to create jobs.

If it is raining out and a man is fixing your leaking roof, would you consider it the right time to ask him to FIRST fix the broken leg on the chair in your living room?

 

[asterism]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Aren't you one of "the rich?" Didn't you say that you are a millionaire?

 

[Jarhead]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Aren't you one of "the rich?" Didn't you say that you are a millionaire?

I believe he is big in the market....not "rich" per his income.

 

[Douger]

Abraham Lincoln said it best!:

1)You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich

2) You can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong

3) You can't bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift

4) You can't lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down

5) You can't (promote) the brotherhood of many by inciting class hatred

6) You can't build character and courage by taking away a mans initiative and independence

7) You can't help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves


These are the principles we must all remember when heading to the polls in november, and in the next presidential election.

The liberal/progressive agenda will destroy the very foundation of this country. That agenda must be attacked and destroyed.

Haven't we been through this a dozen times already?

Abe Lincoln never said that

He did say this.
Get to it !
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
Abraham Lincoln

 

[asterism]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Tax the job creators (the rich) if it will help with the deficit. But dont do it when you are asking the job creators (the rich) to create jobs.

If it is raining out and a man is fixing your leaking roof, would you consider it the right time to ask him to FIRST fix the broken leg on the chair in your living room?

"My roof is leaking and it's ruining my couch."

"I fixed your couch. $1000 has just been transferred from your account."

"But the roof is still leaking."

"And that's what ruined your couch, which is fine now."

"But what about the roof?"

"I'll be back to fix your couch if it gets ruined again. It's not my fault the roof leaks."

 

[topspin]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Aren't you one of "the rich?" Didn't you say that you are a millionaire?

a million is not even in the top 5% anymore, top 10%. So go ahead tax those greedy bastards

 

[asterism]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Aren't you one of "the rich?" Didn't you say that you are a millionaire?

I believe he is big in the market....not "rich" per his income.

But he says he's making over 20% right? That's $200,000 income.

 

[asterism]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Aren't you one of "the rich?" Didn't you say that you are a millionaire?

a million is not even in the top 5% anymore, top 10%. So go ahead tax those greedy bastards

Tax their wealth or their income?

 

[topspin]

Yeah, especially my capital gains are way down. Enough with the scare tactics.
So with the wife's income, we are still under $200,000

 

[topspin]

never tax the wealth. Got it

 

[Jarhead]

Aren't you one of "the rich?" Didn't you say that you are a millionaire?

I believe he is big in the market....not "rich" per his income.

But he says he's making over 20% right? That's $200,000 income.

Cant answer. I dont know.

I am not against rolling back the tax cuts...I just believe it should be done AFTER the recovery....why put more burden on those that create the jobs when we are asking them to create jobs.

It seems silly.

Just as silly as letting the job creators know that they are going to have a serious healthcare burden down the near future as well...I mean, if the benefits of that law do not kick in for several years, then what was the rush in letting the job creators know to "be prepared"...

It is almost like they dont want the job creators to feel secure enough to create jobs.

 

[asterism]

Yeah, especially my capital gains are way down. Enough with the scare tactics.
So with the wife's income, we are still under $200,000

Your capital gains are way down? I though you said you were making great money in the stock market?

 

[topspin]

Yeah, especially my capital gains are way down. Enough with the scare tactics.
So with the wife's income, we are still under $200,000

Your capital gains are way down? I though you said you were making great money in the stock market?

Capital Gains taxes happen when you sell, I'm not selling.

 

[asterism]

I believe he is big in the market....not "rich" per his income.

But he says he's making over 20% right? That's $200,000 income.

Cant answer. I dont know.

I am not against rolling back the tax cuts...I just believe it should be done AFTER the recovery....why put more burden on those that create the jobs when we are asking them to create jobs.

It seems silly.

Just as silly as letting the job creators know that they are going to have a serious healthcare burden down the near future as well...I mean, if the benefits of that law do not kick in for several years, then what was the rush in letting the job creators know to "be prepared"...

It is almost like they dont want the job creators to feel secure enough to create jobs.

It's a two-pronged strategy in my opinion.

1. Put the government in charge of picking the winners and losers.
2. Fool the ignorant into thinking this is a good thing for them.

At some point this scheme won't work but they will already have their hooks in and can enrich themselves. Pure Marxist economics.

 

[topspin]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Tax the job creators (the rich) if it will help with the deficit. But dont do it when you are asking the job creators (the rich) to create jobs.

If it is raining out and a man is fixing your leaking roof, would you consider it the right time to ask him to FIRST fix the broken leg on the chair in your living room?

you can sell taxing those over 250,000 is bad, just not to me