Taxation Without Representation -The Case for D.C. Statehood

[bigrebnc1775]

he District of Columbia Organic Act of 1801

Means nothing if SCOTUS says 'okay' to it. And the DemonRats could repeal that Act.

can't be done it would take more than the SCOTUS to give a thumbs up
YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION
and 2/3 state ratifacation

Actually, it takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. Not just 2/3

my bad

 

[theHawk]

It's time for D.C. to become a state. It has more population than Vermont and Wyoming. They pay federal taxes, but they have no senators. Didn't we fight because that happened?

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D.C. Voting Rights: No Representation? No Taxation!

A “state” with zero natural resources or farmland?

The residential areas can be incorporated into Maryland, while the Capitol and monuments and museums can remain DC.

Problem solved.

Yep a state. No excuses.

A state named Maryland.

 

[theHawk]

Face the fact, Wyoming has 600 people and California has nearly 40 million - both states have two senators; DC has a population a little more than Wyoming.

I agree. If Wyoming has only 600 people it should not be a state either even if they do have a hell of a lot of land.

Of course the State of Wyoming has voted for Republican's; we need to petition the DOJ / FBI to investigate how many head of cattle have voted for trump?















See how easy it is to write stupid post? I coining this post a Nostra-dumbist along with other idiot-grams which emanate from the kookiest trump supporters.

Are you really stupid enough to think Wyoming only has 600 people?!

Mea culpa. Wyoming has: 582,328; 268,837 People were registered to vote; I live in Bay Area and everyone of the counties in the East Bay, South Bay and Peninsula have more people than Wyoming. Over a million live in my county. Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

Because Wyoming contributes more to the US than some shit hole urban area in California.

 

[LeftofLeft]

It's time for D.C. to become a state. It has more population than Vermont and Wyoming. They pay federal taxes, but they have no senators. Didn't we fight because that happened?

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D.C. Voting Rights: No Representation? No Taxation!

I've been a DC citizen. You want to live there, accept that it is the Nation's Capital, not a state. If you want to live in a state that touches DC and has all the benefits of taxation with representation, there is always Virginia and Maryland.

 

[excalibur]

can't be done it would take more than the SCOTUS to give a thumbs up
YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION
and 2/3 state ratifacation

I agree, but what SCOTUS says is all that matters if Congress can pass a DC Statehood Bill. That is where we are with the Roberts Court and people like Kavanaugh.

 

[excalibur]

Actually, it takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. Not just 2/3
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Correct. The 2/3rds is both Houses of Congress to send an amendment to the states.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

can't be done it would take more than the SCOTUS to give a thumbs up
YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION
and 2/3 state ratifacation

I agree, but what SCOTUS says is all that matters if Congress can pass a DC Statehood Bill. That is where we are with the Roberts Court and people like Kavanaugh.

SCOTUS can't legislate from the bench
and they will not overrule precedence from 1801

 

[excalibur]

SCOTUS can't legislate from the bench
and they will not overrule precedence from 1801

The DemonRats will repeal the Act if necessary There are 3-votes that automatically will allow them to do anything they want. All they need is 2 more.

SCOTUS has legislated from the bench many times in the past.

 

[Eyepublius]

Actual

Actually, it takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. Not just 2/3

Correct. The 2/3rds is both Houses of Congress to send an amendment to the states.
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Actually 4 ways to Amend the U.S. Constitution:

First: Proposed by 2/3 vote in each house of Congress then ratified by 3/4 of State legislatures (38 states).

Second: Proposed by 2/3 vote in each house of Congress; ratified by conventions held in 3/4 of states.

Third: Proposed by National Convention called by Congress when requested by 3/4 of states; ratified by 3/4 state legislatures

Fourth: Proposed by National Convention; ratified by 3/4 state conventions

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If the District of Columbia is made a state, you can expect Eastern Kentucky and Southern North Dakota to be admitted once the GOP gets in, in order to maintain the balance.

There's no "balance" argument, it's a matter of simple taxation w/o representation.

The people you're talking about already have this.

The citizens of DC do not.

The majority of them pay zero taxes so their representation seems about equal to their contributions

 

[Rye Catcher]

Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

The reason why was to get the Constitution ratified. The concern from the smaller populated states was that the highly populated ones would dominate and subjugate them.

EXACTLY
The small states fought against having a popular vote

Gee, three centuries ago this was an issue, today it is not. No large state has any reason nor any legal right to "subjugate" small states. The fact is that the Senators in small states have the power to deny large states to protect their citizens from murderers who use guns to kill their citizens.

The other stupid argument which is archaic in the 21st Century is a federal government will send troops into a state and takeover the civil government. In fact the other opposite occurred on Jan 5th last, when violent insurrectionists' invaded the Capitol Building.

The other argument is also absurd, that being that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct and that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd is not immune from criticism or the rules of law, and no mention within the 2nd protects possession or ownership of guns, in fact no specific statement suggests gun are different from arms*** which may be regulated by law, or not be owned, possessed or in the custody or control of all citizens.

***Gravity and Push button knives, fully automatic firearms, concealed firearms, explosive devices such as Grenades, nunchaku's and weapons of warfare.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

The reason why was to get the Constitution ratified. The concern from the smaller populated states was that the highly populated ones would dominate and subjugate them.

EXACTLY
The small states fought against having a popular vote

Gee, three centuries ago this was an issue, today it is not. No large state has any reason nor any legal right to "subjugate" small states. The fact is that the Senators in small states have the power to deny large states to protect their citizens from murderers who use guns to kill their citizens.

The other stupid argument which is archaic in the 21st Century is a federal government will send troops into a state and takeover the civil government. In fact the other opposite occurred on Jan 5th last, when violent insurrectionists' invaded the Capitol Building.

The other argument is also absurd, that being that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct and that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd is not immune from criticism or the rules of law, and no mention within the 2nd protects possession or ownership of guns, in fact no specific statement suggests gun are different from arms*** which may be regulated by law, or not be owned, possessed or in the custody or control of all citizens.

***Gravity and Push button knives, fully automatic firearms, concealed firearms, explosive devices such as Grenades, nunchaku's and weapons of warfare.

"Absurdity to fools is the wisdom of wise men."

BTW, I carry a switchblade (push button knife). Perfectly legal in Virginia so long as not concealed.

 

[Turtlesoup]

It's time for D.C. to become a state. It has more population than Vermont and Wyoming. They pay federal taxes, but they have no senators. Didn't we fight because that happened?

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D.C. Voting Rights: No Representation? No Taxation!

Well make them part of their state again and take away their special rights for being a district and they can vote in Virginia or where ever.

 

[TNHarley]

As the black messiah loves to say, "that pesky constitution!"

 

[Rye Catcher]

Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

The reason why was to get the Constitution ratified. The concern from the smaller populated states was that the highly populated ones would dominate and subjugate them.

EXACTLY
The small states fought against having a popular vote

Gee, three centuries ago this was an issue, today it is not. No large state has any reason nor any legal right to "subjugate" small states. The fact is that the Senators in small states have the power to deny large states to protect their citizens from murderers who use guns to kill their citizens.

The other stupid argument which is archaic in the 21st Century is a federal government will send troops into a state and takeover the civil government. In fact the other opposite occurred on Jan 5th last, when violent insurrectionists' invaded the Capitol Building.

The other argument is also absurd, that being that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct and that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd is not immune from criticism or the rules of law, and no mention within the 2nd protects possession or ownership of guns, in fact no specific statement suggests gun are different from arms*** which may be regulated by law, or not be owned, possessed or in the custody or control of all citizens.

***Gravity and Push button knives, fully automatic firearms, concealed firearms, explosive devices such as Grenades, nunchaku's and weapons of warfare.

"Absurdity to fools is the wisdom of wise men."

BTW, I carry a switchblade (push button knife). Perfectly legal in Virginia so long as not concealed.

LOL, thanks for proving my position: Your Push Button knife is regulated. In CA it is illegal.

Law section

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov

But I digress, back to the issue of this thread: The only reason to deny statehood to the citizens who reside in The District is the fear that two new US Senators would likely be Democrats. The Republican Party fears this, sense they know this and don't give a damn about civil rights.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

The reason why was to get the Constitution ratified. The concern from the smaller populated states was that the highly populated ones would dominate and subjugate them.

EXACTLY
The small states fought against having a popular vote

Gee, three centuries ago this was an issue, today it is not. No large state has any reason nor any legal right to "subjugate" small states. The fact is that the Senators in small states have the power to deny large states to protect their citizens from murderers who use guns to kill their citizens.

The other stupid argument which is archaic in the 21st Century is a federal government will send troops into a state and takeover the civil government. In fact the other opposite occurred on Jan 5th last, when violent insurrectionists' invaded the Capitol Building.

The other argument is also absurd, that being that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct and that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd is not immune from criticism or the rules of law, and no mention within the 2nd protects possession or ownership of guns, in fact no specific statement suggests gun are different from arms*** which may be regulated by law, or not be owned, possessed or in the custody or control of all citizens.

***Gravity and Push button knives, fully automatic firearms, concealed firearms, explosive devices such as Grenades, nunchaku's and weapons of warfare.

"Absurdity to fools is the wisdom of wise men."

BTW, I carry a switchblade (push button knife). Perfectly legal in Virginia so long as not concealed.

LOL, thanks for proving my position: Your Push Button knife is regulated. In CA it is illegal.

Law section

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov

Do keep in mind we are talking about a state issue here, not a federal one. The federal government may not rule against the 2nd Amendment. It has NO authority to do so.

They used to be illegal here, but sounder minds have since prevailed. So there.

 

[Staidhup]

The very arguments and basis for DC not becoming a state is the very reason it should not be, political influence.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

The reason why was to get the Constitution ratified. The concern from the smaller populated states was that the highly populated ones would dominate and subjugate them.

EXACTLY
The small states fought against having a popular vote

Gee, three centuries ago this was an issue, today it is not. No large state has any reason nor any legal right to "subjugate" small states. The fact is that the Senators in small states have the power to deny large states to protect their citizens from murderers who use guns to kill their citizens.

The other stupid argument which is archaic in the 21st Century is a federal government will send troops into a state and takeover the civil government. In fact the other opposite occurred on Jan 5th last, when violent insurrectionists' invaded the Capitol Building.

The other argument is also absurd, that being that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct and that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd is not immune from criticism or the rules of law, and no mention within the 2nd protects possession or ownership of guns, in fact no specific statement suggests gun are different from arms*** which may be regulated by law, or not be owned, possessed or in the custody or control of all citizens.

***Gravity and Push button knives, fully automatic firearms, concealed firearms, explosive devices such as Grenades, nunchaku's and weapons of warfare.

"Absurdity to fools is the wisdom of wise men."

BTW, I carry a switchblade (push button knife). Perfectly legal in Virginia so long as not concealed.

LOL, thanks for proving my position: Your Push Button knife is regulated. In CA it is illegal.

Law section

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov

Do keep in mind we are talking about a state issue here, not a federal one. The federal government may not rule against the 2nd Amendment. It has NO authority to do so.

They used to be illegal here, but sounder minds have since prevailed. So there.

If you mean The Congress you are way out of touch with the reality. And, if you mean the Supreme Court, read Heller carefully and Justice Scalia's comment on Felons and the mentally ill.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Make an argument why CA with over 12% and Wyoming has O.17% both have US Senators is fair?

The reason why was to get the Constitution ratified. The concern from the smaller populated states was that the highly populated ones would dominate and subjugate them.

EXACTLY
The small states fought against having a popular vote

Gee, three centuries ago this was an issue, today it is not. No large state has any reason nor any legal right to "subjugate" small states. The fact is that the Senators in small states have the power to deny large states to protect their citizens from murderers who use guns to kill their citizens.

You really are out of touch with reality
pid argument which is archaic in the 21st Century is a federal government will send troops into a state and takeover the civil government. In fact the other opposite occurred on Jan 5th last, when violent insurrectionists' invaded the Capitol Building.

The other argument is also absurd, that being that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct and that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd is not immune from criticism or the rules of law, and no mention within the 2nd protects possession or ownership of guns, in fact no specific statement suggests gun are different from arms*** which may be regulated by law, or not be owned, possessed or in the custody or control of all citizens.

***Gravity and Push button knives, fully automatic firearms, concealed firearms, explosive devices such as Grenades, nunchaku's and weapons of warfare.

You really are out of touch with reality
Why do states like California try to influence elections in other states?
AND TRY GUN CONTROL

 

[Lesh]

It's time for D.C. to become a state. It has more population than Vermont and Wyoming. They pay federal taxes, but they have no senators. Didn't we fight because that happened?

View attachment 473481
D.C. Voting Rights: No Representation? No Taxation!

Well make them part of their state again and take away their special rights for being a district and they can vote in Virginia or where ever.

That's your PREFERENCE...which means nothing.

They can just as well form their own state as long as it doesn't include the Federal Buildings (DC)