Tell me once again about this "great economy"

JGalt

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The numbers just don't add up. In 2019, the US job market became saturated as the unemployment rate fell to 3.5%, which was the lowest level since 1969. According the the BLS:

"By the end of 2019, the economy had grown for 126 months or 42 quarters, making it the longest economic expansion on record.1 Most labor force measures continued to improve throughout 2019. Total employment, as measured by the Current Population Survey (CPS), expanded by 2.0 million, reaching 158.6 million by the end of the year."

Job market remains tight in 2019, as the unemployment rate falls to its lowest level since 1969 : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

As of July 2024, the unemployment rate is 4.1% with a total labor force of 168 million.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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In 2019, there were an estimated 11,047,000 undocumented immigrants living in the US. That number is arbitrary, as there's really no way to know how exactly how many undocumented immigrants are in the US:

"While demographic estimates of undocumented immigrants in the United States are difficult to estimate, the Migration Policy Institute provided the following estimates for the undocumented population living in the country in 2019, based on US Census Bureau data from the 2015-2019 American Community Survey (ACS) and the 2008 Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP). The demographic estimates are based on a population estimate of 11,047,000 undocumented immigrants."

Demographics of Undocumented Immigrants in the United States, 2019 - Immigration - ProCon.org

Now comes the kicker: Exactly by how many "undocumented immigrants" did the US population increase from 2019 to the present? 10 million? 20 million? 30 million? Nobody really knows. The Center for Immigration Studies gives some startling figures:

"Analysis of the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey (CPS) shows that the total foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) hit a new record high of 51.4 million in February 2024 — an increase of 6.4 million since President Biden took office...

If current trends continue, the foreign-born population will reach nearly 60 million and 17.5 percent of the U.S. population by the end of a second Biden term — both figures would be without any precedent in American history."

The Foreign-Born Share and Number at Record Highs in February 2024

The problem is this: We don't really know how many undocumented immigrants have come across the border since 2019. But we can assume that whatever the number, they are going to affect the job market, reducing the number of available jobs in an already-tight job market.
 
The numbers just don't add up. In 2019, the US job market became saturated as the unemployment rate fell to 3.5%, which was the lowest level since 1969. According the the BLS:

"By the end of 2019, the economy had grown for 126 months or 42 quarters, making it the longest economic expansion on record.1 Most labor force measures continued to improve throughout 2019. Total employment, as measured by the Current Population Survey (CPS), expanded by 2.0 million, reaching 158.6 million by the end of the year."

Job market remains tight in 2019, as the unemployment rate falls to its lowest level since 1969 : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

As of July 2024, the unemployment rate is 4.1% with a total labor force of 168 million.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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In 2019, there were an estimated 11,047,000 undocumented immigrants living in the US. That number is arbitrary, as there's really no way to know how exactly how many undocumented immigrants are in the US:

"While demographic estimates of undocumented immigrants in the United States are difficult to estimate, the Migration Policy Institute provided the following estimates for the undocumented population living in the country in 2019, based on US Census Bureau data from the 2015-2019 American Community Survey (ACS) and the 2008 Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP). The demographic estimates are based on a population estimate of 11,047,000 undocumented immigrants."

Demographics of Undocumented Immigrants in the United States, 2019 - Immigration - ProCon.org

Now comes the kicker: Exactly by how many "undocumented immigrants" did the US population increase from 2019 to the present? 10 million? 20 million? 30 million? Nobody really knows. The Center for Immigration Studies gives some startling figures:

"Analysis of the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey (CPS) shows that the total foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) hit a new record high of 51.4 million in February 2024 — an increase of 6.4 million since President Biden took office...

If current trends continue, the foreign-born population will reach nearly 60 million and 17.5 percent of the U.S. population by the end of a second Biden term — both figures would be without any precedent in American history."

The Foreign-Born Share and Number at Record Highs in February 2024

The problem is this: We don't really know how many undocumented immigrants have come across the border since 2019. But we can assume that whatever the number, they are going to affect the job market, reducing the number of available jobs in an already-tight job market.

If we have an election in November and Trump prevails he has to declare a National Emergency on Day One; there's no other way to deal with this
 
stock market is killer right now...passive income is wonderful

lol yeah right; a tiny handful of stocks driving the whole thing. Nvidia's dividends are a penny a quarter, and it's selling for what,now? Hilarious. What we have is a handful of super wealthy people desperate for a place to put all their cash, and bunch of desperate and dwindling middle class people chasing market fads, and no businesses being invested in. Foreign money flooding in drives up inflation as well.
 
The problem is this: We don't really know how many undocumented immigrants have come across the border since 2019. But we can assume that whatever the number, they are going to affect the job market, reducing the number of available jobs in an already-tight job market.

A tight job market? Really?

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lol yeah right; a tiny handful of stocks driving the whole thing. Nvidia's dividends are a penny a quarter, and it's selling for what,now? Hilarious. What we have is a handful of super wealthy people desperate for a place to put all their cash, and bunch of desperate and dwindling middle class people chasing market fads, and no businesses being invested in. Foreign money flooding in drives up inflation as well.
so your imaginary stocks are not doing well...my real ones sure are
 
In 2019, there were an estimated 11,047,000 undocumented immigrants living in the US. That number is arbitrary, as there's really no way to know how exactly how many undocumented immigrants are in the US:

They've been claiming 11 million' since Reagan; it's far higher than that. Population was 180 million in the 1960's, it's over 340 million now, and it isn't white people driving the increase since 1965 and the change in immigration laws the Kennedys pushed through.
 
lol yeah right; a tiny handful of stocks driving the whole thing. Nvidia's dividends are a penny a quarter, and it's selling for what,now? Hilarious. What we have is a handful of super wealthy people desperate for a place to put all their cash, and bunch of desperate and dwindling middle class people chasing market fads, and no businesses being invested in. Foreign money flooding in drives up inflation as well.
S&P 500 is in record territory
Sorry you are missing out
 

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