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[mrsx]

You know, I think you have some very good points there. I don't disagree with what you have said, but what has the military done for me lately? Why are we kissing the ass of these Saudi princes who are funding anti-American madrasas and suicide bombers? They enjoy their marble swimming pools etc. because our military is saving them from their own people. That makes them a province of our empire. Fine! Now it's time for them to pay the bill. "Free gas for free people!"

 

[5stringJeff]

You know, I think you have some very good points there. I don't disagree with what you have said, but what has the military done for me lately? Why are we kissing the ass of these Saudi princes who are funding anti-American madrasas and suicide bombers? They enjoy their marble swimming pools etc. because our military is saving them from their own people. That makes them a province of our empire. Fine! Now it's time for them to pay the bill. "Free gas for free people!"

So if Bush doesn't attack Saudi Arabia, he's damned for being friends with terrorists and Arab oil tycoons.

If he does attack Saudi Arabia, he's damned for being friends with American oil tycoons.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't... which is the greater evil?

Frankly, I'd love it if every troop in Iraq marched south into Riyadh. on the Saudis!

 

[KarlMarx]

You know, I think you have some very good points there. I don't disagree with what you have said, but what has the military done for me lately? Why are we kissing the ass of these Saudi princes who are funding anti-American madrasas and suicide bombers? They enjoy their marble swimming pools etc. because our military is saving them from their own people. That makes them a province of our empire. Fine! Now it's time for them to pay the bill. "Free gas for free people!"

Consider the consequences of what you want.

Consider the Law of Supply and Demand which states that the demand for a resource increases as price decreases according to a formula:

Demand = Supply/Price

If the price goes to zero, the demand becomes very large, eventually going to infinity (using a calculator, make up some numbers for "Demand" and "Supply", then substitute decreasingly smaller numbers for price e.g. 1, .01, .000001, .00000000001 and so forth, and you'll see what I mean).

But if the demand become infinite, what happens? The supply will decrease rapidly, even exponentially, so that eventually, you will see all oil resources depleted. And since there is no money, no gas/oil exploration and therefore, a world wide shortage of oil and gas.

Prices go up and down for a reason, i.e. to regulate demand and conserve resources(or increase production of the resource). That is something that Leftist/Socialists don't seem to understand. They believe that the law of supply and demand can be ignored as well as its consequences when they propose social and economic policy. But the law of supply and demand is a natural law just like the Law of Gravity or the Laws of Relativity. You can't escape the influence of gravity, you can't go faster than the speed of light and yes, Virginia, there really ISN'T a free lunch.

I could go on and on with other examples that show just how misguided many economic policies are and how they create social problems, for instance....

1. Rent Control in New York City causes homelessness
2. Farming subsidies exacerbates world hunger (as in India, where people are starving, but the government pays farmers to actually destroy crops)
3. The minimum wage has increased unemployment and poverty

A good read for you (or anyone) is "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell. He does a good job of explaining a lot of this. He also has another book "Advanced Economics - thinking past stage one" which is a companion work to it.

 

[Semper Fi]

but what has the military done for me lately?

That's the most selfish thing I've ever read on this board. You should be ashamed. Soldiers both here and abroad amount to more than you ever will. How can you be so selfish and only think of what the military has done for you? Why are you so goddamn special? You dont think that liberating millions of Iraqi's and ridding the world of a mass-murderous tyrant is anything? How can you live with yourself?

 

[mrsx]

That's the most selfish thing I've ever read on this board. You should be ashamed. Soldiers both here and abroad amount to more than you ever will. How can you be so selfish and only think of what the military has done for you? Why are you so goddamn special? You dont think that liberating millions of Iraqi's and ridding the world of a mass-murderous tyrant is anything? How can you live with yourself?

Get a grip, Jarhead, we are paying a billion dollars a day for that nation building nonsense of liberating a bunch of Iraqis who we already liberated two years ago and who don't want any more liberating. We taxpayers hired these soldiers, they work for us. I want some return on my investment, that's all.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Get a grip, Jarhead, we are paying a billion dollars a day for that nation building nonsense of liberating a bunch of Iraqis who we already liberated two years ago and who don't want any more liberating. We taxpayers hired these soldiers, they work for us. I want some return on my investment, that's all.

Guess what, lefty, it's really NOT a war for oil.

 

[KarlMarx]

Get a grip, Jarhead, we are paying a billion dollars a day for that nation building nonsense of liberating a bunch of Iraqis who we already liberated two years ago and who don't want any more liberating. We taxpayers hired these soldiers, they work for us. I want some return on my investment, that's all.

Carly Simon singing.....

"Perseveration..... Persev-er-a-a-tion...."

So.... Iraqis don't want any more liberating..... you went to Baghdad and asked a bunch of them have you?

Learn from history.... after World War II.... we (i.e. America) occupied Japan for over a decade. Japan today is a solid ally of ours, one of the democracies of the world, with one of the highest standards of living in the world..... if we hadn't occupied Japan after World War II --- Uncle Joe as in "Josef Stalin" would have done it for us..... there is a thing called "National Interest" here..... by stabilizing the Middle East, we are helping preserve trade and our way of life.....

Tell you what..... learn to live without freedom, perhaps in North Korea and no rights for say, about a year, if you survive, come back and tell us if you still feel the same way....

 

[Trinity]

We taxpayers hired these soldiers, they work for us. I want some return on my investment, that's all.

Here's your return

 

[mrsx]

So.... Iraqis don't want any more liberating..... you went to Baghdad and asked a bunch of them have you?

No, but I watch their commercials on TV.

 

[Semper Fi]

Get a grip, Jarhead, we are paying a billion dollars a day for that nation building nonsense of liberating a bunch of Iraqis who we already liberated two years ago and who don't want any more liberating. We taxpayers hired these soldiers, they work for us. I want some return on my investment, that's all.

Look up. You see the Stars and Stripes flapping in the wind? That's your freedom. I'm sorry if you don't think that that price is worth your freedom. If that's the case, you don't deserve to be free.

 

[mrsx]

Look up. You see the Stars and Stripes flapping in the wind? That's your freedom. I'm sorry if you don't think that that price is worth your freedom. If that's the case, you don't deserve to be free.

Actually, today I looked down - down at the little American flags the VFW put on all those graves for Memorial Day. They died for my freedom and today especially I thank all those who served. "All gave some, some gave all," as they say.
The Iraq Quagmire isn't defending my freedom and I'm not safer because we are over there killing a bunch of people oppressed by a dictator we supported. I don't think keeping Prince Fahd on the throne is worth the life of a single American serviceman. Our armed forces keep us free; that doesn't mean everything they are ordered to do is a good idea.

 

[KarlMarx]

No, but I watch their commercials on TV.

Oh... you mean the ones paid for by the insurrgency? I'm sure they speak for all the Iraqis....

 

[archangel]

Oh... you mean the ones paid for by the insurrgency? I'm sure they speak for all the Iraqis....

Hey I just noticed your location as "Beautiful Downtown Burbank" I grew up there...went to John Burroughs HS...are you a local or just transplant? Just curious!

 

[KarlMarx]

Hey I just noticed your location as "Beautiful Downtown Burbank" I grew up there...went to John Burroughs HS...are you a local or just transplant? Just curious!

No, actually I'm located in Endicott, New York......

But I actually landed at the Burbank Airport once and spent a few hours there (anything to avoid LA Freeway traffic during the rush hour!)

Those of us who are old enough to remember the 1960s probably get the joke..... "Beautiful Downtown Burbank" is a referrence to a running joke from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" a comedy show in the 1960s that parodied issues of the day (some of the jokes were dated, but a lot are still hilarious after almost 40 years). Throughout the series, Gary Owens, who was actually a DJ from Los Angeles, would make announcements throughout the show then end the show with a phony announcement that was usually poked fun at Burbank e.g "this show was pre-recorded in Beautiful Downtown Burbank in order to get the cast out of town before it aired"..

Geez... when I have to explain the jokes.... I get the feeling that I'm getting old!

 

[archangel]

No, actually I'm located in Endicott, New York......

But I actually landed at the Burbank Airport once and spent a few hours there (anything to avoid LA Freeway traffic during the rush hour!)

Those of us who are old enough to remember the 1960s probably get the joke..... "Beautiful Downtown Burbank" is a referrence to a running joke from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" a comedy show in the 1960s that parodied issues of the day (some of the jokes were dated, but a lot are still hilarious after almost 40 years). Throughout the series, Gary Owens, who was actually a DJ from Los Angeles, would make announcements throughout the show then end the show with a phony announcement that was usually poked fun at Burbank e.g "this show was pre-recorded in Beautiful Downtown Burbank in order to get the cast out of town before it aired"..

Geez... when I have to explain the jokes.... I get the feeling that I'm getting old!

Hey I am familiar with "Laugh in"Jokes...just thought maybe you were actually from Burbank after all you listed it as your location...and Gary Owens if I remember correctly was with KRLA 1100am before doing "Laugh In" Hey I knew some of the Mousekeeters...thought maybe you were one...lol "Cubby O'Brien" he was one who you reminded me of you... :cof:

 

[KarlMarx]

Hey I am familiar with "Laugh in"Jokes...just thought maybe you were actually from Burbank after all you listed it as your location...and Gary Owens if I remember correctly was with KRLA 1100am before doing "Laugh In" Hey I knew some of the Mousekeeters...thought maybe you were one...lol "Cubby O'Brien" he was one who you reminded me of you... :cof:

Well.... I always change my location ---- once I listed it as Area 51 ---- I never was there (at least I won't admit it! ).....

 

[Bonnie]

"I have found him, I have Allah in the trunk!!" :arabia:

"Fuc&in Jihad on you"

 

[5stringJeff]

"I have found him, I have Allah in the trunk!!" :arabia:

"Fuc&in Jihad on you"

Cake or death?!?

 

[Bonnie]

Cake or death?!?

Hey another Eddie Izzard fan!!!

 

[5stringJeff]

Hey another Eddie Izzard fan!!!

Funniest comedy routine I think I've ever seen!