Ernie S.
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I'm an engineer, not a magician, Jim.
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It is something to think about, to save us from oil, we must use all the Lithium, in one generation. Without even thinking, that in the future there may be a better use for the Element, LI, Lithium.
Read my link. Recycling Lithium is impracticable at this time.It is something to think about, to save us from oil, we must use all the Lithium, in one generation. Without even thinking, that in the future there may be a better use for the Element, LI, Lithium.
First, lithium isn't consumed by car batteries.
Second, If the battery is no longer useful, the lithium in it get recycled. Nobody just tosses an expensive electric car battery into a landful.
Hence, electric cars are not causing any loss of lithium. Other sources do use up lithium, like drugs or disposable lithium batteries.
Uneconomic, not impracticle.Read my link. Recycling Lithium is impracticable at this time.It is something to think about, to save us from oil, we must use all the Lithium, in one generation. Without even thinking, that in the future there may be a better use for the Element, LI, Lithium.
First, lithium isn't consumed by car batteries.
Second, If the battery is no longer useful, the lithium in it get recycled. Nobody just tosses an expensive electric car battery into a landful.
Hence, electric cars are not causing any loss of lithium. Other sources do use up lithium, like drugs or disposable lithium batteries.
LOL. Got your bowels in an uproar, ol' Fartface? Of course I give you links, lots of links;Link liar, link!Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................these electric car threads are laughable........you know these are the same people who went for those big dick pills and internet Turbonators.
God......my life would be rather devoid of humor without these AGW mental cases, and Im not even kidding!!! Not that Im complaining.......this forum would suck without them
Tesla S P85D. Room for five passengers in luxury. 0-60 mph in 3.2 seconds. Handling exceeds most cars in it's class. Price is actually below that of most sports luxury sedans. And, daily, more super charging stations are added. As the price of the batteries decrease, and there range increases, the Tesla will be an even more desirable vehicle.
You can not demand others to link if we must hound you for your lousy links.
And? Uneconomic at present. Many things that were uneconomic a few years ago, are presently making somebody a lot of money. Recycling lithium batteries will do the same.Didn't I say that? I'm a Capitalist. If the economic cost of recycling lithium outweighs all other factors, it's impracticable to recycle lithium.
At this point, recycled lithium batteries would damage the environment far worse than making batteries from newly mined material.
Some of the other materials in the cells are economically able to be recycled, notably the cobalt (nasty stuff) but the lithium slag has to be stored.
But not in my back yard.... Right?
On the up side, electric cars can generally expect to live out their lives on a single battery. Battery replacement is rare with electric/hybrid vehicles. It's a $4,000-$5,000 smack if the vehicle is out of warranty though.
Of course. When lithium can be recycled economically and we don't have toxic slag heaps lying about, by all means use lithium all you want.And? Uneconomic at present. Many things that were uneconomic a few years ago, are presently making somebody a lot of money. Recycling lithium batteries will do the same.Didn't I say that? I'm a Capitalist. If the economic cost of recycling lithium outweighs all other factors, it's impracticable to recycle lithium.
At this point, recycled lithium batteries would damage the environment far worse than making batteries from newly mined material.
Some of the other materials in the cells are economically able to be recycled, notably the cobalt (nasty stuff) but the lithium slag has to be stored.
But not in my back yard.... Right?
People will use all the lithium they want, in any case, seeing how abundant it is. And someone will find a profitable way to recycle it. That is the beauty of capitalism.Of course. When lithium can be recycled economically and we don't have toxic slag heaps lying about, by all means use lithium all you want.And? Uneconomic at present. Many things that were uneconomic a few years ago, are presently making somebody a lot of money. Recycling lithium batteries will do the same.Didn't I say that? I'm a Capitalist. If the economic cost of recycling lithium outweighs all other factors, it's impracticable to recycle lithium.
At this point, recycled lithium batteries would damage the environment far worse than making batteries from newly mined material.
Some of the other materials in the cells are economically able to be recycled, notably the cobalt (nasty stuff) but the lithium slag has to be stored.
But not in my back yard.... Right?
Did you get confused again old crock.LOL. Got your bowels in an uproar, ol' Fartface? Of course I give you links, lots of links;Link liar, link!Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................these electric car threads are laughable........you know these are the same people who went for those big dick pills and internet Turbonators.
God......my life would be rather devoid of humor without these AGW mental cases, and Im not even kidding!!! Not that Im complaining.......this forum would suck without them
Tesla S P85D. Room for five passengers in luxury. 0-60 mph in 3.2 seconds. Handling exceeds most cars in it's class. Price is actually below that of most sports luxury sedans. And, daily, more super charging stations are added. As the price of the batteries decrease, and there range increases, the Tesla will be an even more desirable vehicle.
You can not demand others to link if we must hound you for your lousy links.
2015 Tesla Model S P85D First Test - Motor Trend
Consequently, the easiest way to flatten your retinas at a dragstrip isn't by just stomping on the right pedal. Instead, you draw your foot back and kick the living hell out of it. (I'm serious.) Your foot's flying start at the pedal means the potentiometer opens the battery's electron floodgate that much sooner, and without the teeniest tire chirp, the P85D accelerates at the highest rate the road's mu (its coefficient of friction) allows. It's surreally efficient. And it's so fast off the line that the slower-sampling rate of our two high-frequency GPS data loggers was actually missing some of the action; within the first 1/20th of a sec (not even the "O" in "One Mississippi") the car was already going 0.7 mph. To 30 mph the P85D would be four feet ahead of the fastest-accelerating sedan we've tested, the Audi RS 7, a gap that holds to 60 when the Tesla punches the clock at 3.1 seconds, a tenth quicker than the Audi (as well as the McLaren F1's accepted time -- all of these after subtracting the customary 1-foot rollout). Both cars arrive at the quarter in 11.6 seconds, with the Audi starting to show its higher-speed chops. (The P85D tops out at 155, the RS 7, 174 mph.) Great for the Autobahn, irrelevant in America.
Read more: 2015 Tesla Model S P85D First Test - Motor Trend
Tesla Model S P85D Dual motors AWD 691 hp 3.2 to 60
The dual-motor setup Tesla shaves a second from the already quick P85's 0-60 time. The P85D hits that mark in just 3.2 seconds. That's faster than a Dodge Charger Hellcat or a Porsche Panamera Turbo S. The quarter mile mark arrives in 11.8 seconds. It feels incredible from inside the car—electric motors hum hard and then 60 happens. Almost instantly. Musk said that they benchmarked the McLaren F1 for acceleration performance. If not for the badge in back and the red brake calipers, you'd be hard pressed to tell the P85D from the regular single-motor P85.
Disposable lithium batteries? Do tell the science that differentiates between disposable and non-disposable, lithium batteries.It is something to think about, to save us from oil, we must use all the Lithium, in one generation. Without even thinking, that in the future there may be a better use for the Element, LI, Lithium.
First, lithium isn't consumed by car batteries.
Second, If the battery is no longer useful, the lithium in it get recycled. Nobody just tosses an expensive electric car battery into a landful.
Hence, electric cars are not causing any loss of lithium. Other sources do use up lithium, like drugs or disposable lithium batteries.
LInk, otherwise just be considered another liar.Umm that a typical hybrid electrics already dump 22 more pounds of Sulfur Dioxide, PCB and other chemical compounds into the atmosphere than a regular car. These will increase that seven fold.What is your issue with this elektra?
Well, definately you are in need of lithium, old boy.Did you get confused again old crock.LOL. Got your bowels in an uproar, ol' Fartface? Of course I give you links, lots of links;Link liar, link!Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................these electric car threads are laughable........you know these are the same people who went for those big dick pills and internet Turbonators.
God......my life would be rather devoid of humor without these AGW mental cases, and Im not even kidding!!! Not that Im complaining.......this forum would suck without them
Tesla S P85D. Room for five passengers in luxury. 0-60 mph in 3.2 seconds. Handling exceeds most cars in it's class. Price is actually below that of most sports luxury sedans. And, daily, more super charging stations are added. As the price of the batteries decrease, and there range increases, the Tesla will be an even more desirable vehicle.
You can not demand others to link if we must hound you for your lousy links.
2015 Tesla Model S P85D First Test - Motor Trend
Consequently, the easiest way to flatten your retinas at a dragstrip isn't by just stomping on the right pedal. Instead, you draw your foot back and kick the living hell out of it. (I'm serious.) Your foot's flying start at the pedal means the potentiometer opens the battery's electron floodgate that much sooner, and without the teeniest tire chirp, the P85D accelerates at the highest rate the road's mu (its coefficient of friction) allows. It's surreally efficient. And it's so fast off the line that the slower-sampling rate of our two high-frequency GPS data loggers was actually missing some of the action; within the first 1/20th of a sec (not even the "O" in "One Mississippi") the car was already going 0.7 mph. To 30 mph the P85D would be four feet ahead of the fastest-accelerating sedan we've tested, the Audi RS 7, a gap that holds to 60 when the Tesla punches the clock at 3.1 seconds, a tenth quicker than the Audi (as well as the McLaren F1's accepted time -- all of these after subtracting the customary 1-foot rollout). Both cars arrive at the quarter in 11.6 seconds, with the Audi starting to show its higher-speed chops. (The P85D tops out at 155, the RS 7, 174 mph.) Great for the Autobahn, irrelevant in America.
Read more: 2015 Tesla Model S P85D First Test - Motor Trend
Tesla Model S P85D Dual motors AWD 691 hp 3.2 to 60
The dual-motor setup Tesla shaves a second from the already quick P85's 0-60 time. The P85D hits that mark in just 3.2 seconds. That's faster than a Dodge Charger Hellcat or a Porsche Panamera Turbo S. The quarter mile mark arrives in 11.8 seconds. It feels incredible from inside the car—electric motors hum hard and then 60 happens. Almost instantly. Musk said that they benchmarked the McLaren F1 for acceleration performance. If not for the badge in back and the red brake calipers, you'd be hard pressed to tell the P85D from the regular single-motor P85.
It's about increasing the use of lithium a 1,000,000 times.
How will this effect the costs of medicine.
How will this effect the cost of smartphones.
What will such an extreme increase in lithium do to the commodity market, who will become rich because of government policies.
Old crock, it's about tesla depleting the entire reserves of lithium, overnight.
Democrats suck, they destroy our environment, they do not save it.
Learn how to properly quote and pick up a book you freaking troll.Politico
The fact you are arguing when you have no clue how these batteries are made is not surprising. Not that any facts will stop your parroting but here's how it works. Batteries contain lithium, nickel, cobalt and aluminum. Lithium is not a naturally occurring substance. The process of obtaining it pollutes the environment. We don't really have any here so it has to be imported from Argentina and Chile. Same goes for Nickel. That comes from Canada. From there it is shipped via fossil fuels to Japan, China or Korea depending on whether it is being manufactured by Sony or Panasonic who as you certainly don't know produce almost all of them. From there they are shipped back via fossil fuels and put into cars that you don't drive but tell everyone else to, and are recharged each night via more fossil fuels.
To achieve all this stupid the process of making the batteries has resulted in huge clouds of nickel, lead and graphite over these places that be seen from space. It pollutes the water and destroys the Ozone layer. But that's somewhere else so that's ok right? I can guarantee if that shit were hanging over your house you'd be singing a different tune.
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And you are still a screwball liar. Lithium mining is probably the cleanest mining in the world. It is obtained from brine, in desert climates where there is little or nothing at all growing. And the US has vast reserves of lithium.
Mother lode of lithium discovered in Wyoming BizWest
The best-case scenario is that the entire 2,000-square-mile Rock Springs Uplift could contain up to 18 million tons of lithium: equivalent to about 720 years of current global lithium production. The discovery could have a major impact on the global market, transforming the United States from a significant lithium importer to an independent lithium producer.
Disposable lithium batteries? Do tell the science that differentiates between disposable and non-disposable, lithium batteries.