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Good, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
What a fucked up liar you remain, Mr. Westwall.Most innvators dont need a constant supply of govt moneyHigh end German automakers are coming out with EV and hybrids that will eat his lunch.
And using technology that Tesla created.
Also, the German gov't provides huge incentives, subsidies and tax breaks for car manufacturers of all types, and are virtually funding the EV development there. I guess that would help them compete, wouldn't it?
And so far, none of them are eating his lunch. And BMW, Mercedes, and other have extensive production facilities in place. Tesla started from scratch in 2008.
But I guess innovation isn't an American value like it once was.
Most innovators are not trying to design, build, market and sell a totally new line of cars.
Neither is musk. EV's have been around for over 100 years now. The fact remains they are nowhere near as efficient as ICE powered vehicles no matter how much you wish to believe so. Their reliance on heavy, toxic batteries is their biggest downfall. A truly revolutionary vehicle would be one powered via broadcast energy system as envisioned by Tesla himself where there is no Grid. Come up with that truly revolutionary technology and ICE vehicles would disappear almost overnight.
What musk is peddling is a re wrapped old tech.
Transport & Environment (which bills itself as Europe’s leading NGO campaigning for cleaner transport) has released an interesting graphical comparison of the energy efficiency of three types of power-trains (from production through use): all-electric, hydrogen fuel cell and conventional internal combustion engine.
Toyota Fuel Cell Mirai gets a refueling
In this case, renewable electricity was considered for charging BEVs and the production of hydrogen (or fuel for ICE), but still it’s hard to call FCVs environmentally optimum if they ultimately still waste 78% of the net energy (three times that of the BEV).
The overall reults are:
The advantage of all-electric cars in this scenario is obvious, so much so that it is rapidly becoming the ultimate solution for the world, with many countries now looking at hard sunset dates for the sale of ICE-only passenger vehicles.
- BEVs: 73%
- FCVs: 22%
- ICEs: 13%
Efficiency Compared: Battery-Electric 73%, Hydrogen 22%, ICE 13%
And Toshiba and Toyota state that they have a solid state battery that will be in production by 2020 that will double that range. That will push many other EV's into the 200 mile range. And if they start to reach what Goodnough says the potential for the solid state batteries are, using sodium, they will increase that range with cheap batteries. And the possibilities for lithium are for more than doubling what Toshiba and Toyota have at present. That will give the Tesla more range than cars have at present with gasoline or diesel. And make the Lillium a practical aircraft.Interesting the 'Conservatives' hatred for an all American product that is at the cutting edge of technology. And their objections to the cost of the Tesla S are humorous, since they don't seem to object to the high cost of of the luxury cars that compete head on with the Tesla. But the price of the S, and other models, will be coming down shortly as the solid state batteries, sodium and lithium, come on market.
Toyota’s new solid-state battery could make its way to cars by 2020
Toyota is touting its progress on a new kind of battery technology, which uses a solid electrolyte instead of the conventional semi-liquid version used in today’s lithium-ion batteries. The car maker said that it’s near a breakthrough in production engineering that could help it put the new tech in production electric vehicles as early as 2020, according to the Wall Street Journal.
The improved battery technology would make it possible to create smaller, more lightweight lithium-ion batteries for use in EVs, that could also potentially boost the total charge capacity and result in longer-range vehicles.
Another improvement for this type of battery would be longer overall usable life, which would make it possible to both use the vehicles they’re installed in for longer, and add potential for product recycling and alternative post-vehicle life (some companies are already looking into putting EV batteries into use in home and commercial energy storage, for example).
Batteries remain a key limiting factor for electric vehicle design, because of how far tech companies focused on the problem have pushed existing science. The move to solid state would help make room for more gains in terms of charge capacity achieved in the footprint available in consumer vehicles, while helping to push further existing efficiencies achieved through things like the use of ultra-light materials in car frames and interiors.
Toyota isn’t saying yet where its batteries will end up, but any edge here is bound to be a big boon for automakers looking at a future that increasingly seems like it’ll be dominated by EVs.
Not hated......its just people don't want these cars because they are overpriced and a pita to maintain. Most people don't want the hassle of having to get home from work and charge the damn thing and pay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more for doing it. Not to mention the worry of the charge.....one can post up a billion links about how easy it is but most people like routine and reliability. There is just no getting around it and again, especially when weighed against price.
Again and as Ive said in here many times..........to progressives, costs in life are no concern.......$ costs and time costs. But in the life of real Americans, costs do matter.
Last year, about 150,000 EV's were sold in America. C'mon now.........that's nothing short of laughable. Ford sold more F150 trucks in the first 2 months of last year.. Its like comparing the Houston Astros to some single A farm team!
One of the biggest complaints about EVs was the limited range. The LEAF and the Volt would go about 40 miles on a single charge. But Tesla solved that with a 250 to 300 mile range on a single charge. Most people don't drive 200 miles a day. So there is no hassle of getting home from work to charge it.
I am guessing your comment of "...and a pita to maintain" should have been that it is a pain to maintain? That is incorrect. The Tesla has little or no maintenance costs for tens of thousands of miles (if not hundreds of thousands). Tires and wiper blades are the most common.
YOu say people like routine and reliability? What is more routine than plugging in your car at night? And reliability? Where I live electricity is as reliable as the sunrise (with rare exceptions for major storms). Plus, the price of electricity is far more stable than the price of gasoline. And cheaper.
Yes, comparing Tesla to Ford is like comparing the Houston Astros to a farm team. But Ford has been building their infrastructure for a century, and Tesla has only existed for 9 years. The fact that they produced what they did is impressive in that light.
Good, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
We're broke? So we will stop giving subsidies and tax breaks for some of those companies I listed before? Ones that are making substantial profits? That would be excellent!
And, being broke, will we cut our military spending?
Lordy, lordy. So let us use expensive coal produced electricity. Now look at post #56. It only gives an EV double the efficiency of and ICE using that electricity. LOLWhat a fucked up liar you remain, Mr. Westwall.Most innvators dont need a constant supply of govt moneyAnd using technology that Tesla created.
Also, the German gov't provides huge incentives, subsidies and tax breaks for car manufacturers of all types, and are virtually funding the EV development there. I guess that would help them compete, wouldn't it?
And so far, none of them are eating his lunch. And BMW, Mercedes, and other have extensive production facilities in place. Tesla started from scratch in 2008.
But I guess innovation isn't an American value like it once was.
Most innovators are not trying to design, build, market and sell a totally new line of cars.
Neither is musk. EV's have been around for over 100 years now. The fact remains they are nowhere near as efficient as ICE powered vehicles no matter how much you wish to believe so. Their reliance on heavy, toxic batteries is their biggest downfall. A truly revolutionary vehicle would be one powered via broadcast energy system as envisioned by Tesla himself where there is no Grid. Come up with that truly revolutionary technology and ICE vehicles would disappear almost overnight.
What musk is peddling is a re wrapped old tech.
Transport & Environment (which bills itself as Europe’s leading NGO campaigning for cleaner transport) has released an interesting graphical comparison of the energy efficiency of three types of power-trains (from production through use): all-electric, hydrogen fuel cell and conventional internal combustion engine.
Toyota Fuel Cell Mirai gets a refueling
In this case, renewable electricity was considered for charging BEVs and the production of hydrogen (or fuel for ICE), but still it’s hard to call FCVs environmentally optimum if they ultimately still waste 78% of the net energy (three times that of the BEV).
The overall reults are:
The advantage of all-electric cars in this scenario is obvious, so much so that it is rapidly becoming the ultimate solution for the world, with many countries now looking at hard sunset dates for the sale of ICE-only passenger vehicles.
- BEVs: 73%
- FCVs: 22%
- ICEs: 13%
Efficiency Compared: Battery-Electric 73%, Hydrogen 22%, ICE 13%
You are such a laughable propagandist due. They claim 100% renewable energy to get their cooked up numbers. Are you so stupid you can't even read a simple graph?
Good gosh, you bring new meaning to the term moron.
Military spending is what keeps us safe and is not a subsidy. AS for the others..who cares. The government should not be giving taxpayer money to anyone in the private sector.Good, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
We're broke? So we will stop giving subsidies and tax breaks for some of those companies I listed before? Ones that are making substantial profits? That would be excellent!
And, being broke, will we cut our military spending?
And the coal companies go into instant permanent bankruptcy. LOLGood, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
We're broke? So we will stop giving subsidies and tax breaks for some of those companies I listed before? Ones that are making substantial profits? That would be excellent!
And, being broke, will we cut our military spending?
I say absolutely. Stop ALL of the tax breaks and subsidies to every corporation out there. Corporate welfare is an abomination.
Military spending is what keeps us safe and is not a subsidy. AS for the others..who cares. The government should not be giving taxpayer money to anyone in the private sector.Good, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
We're broke? So we will stop giving subsidies and tax breaks for some of those companies I listed before? Ones that are making substantial profits? That would be excellent!
And, being broke, will we cut our military spending?
It is not. We have far more to lose than the next 235 countries combined, plus we seem to have been elected by the world to defend everyone. Defending ourselves and Europe is no small expenditure.Military spending is what keeps us safe and is not a subsidy. AS for the others..who cares. The government should not be giving taxpayer money to anyone in the private sector.Good, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
We're broke? So we will stop giving subsidies and tax breaks for some of those companies I listed before? Ones that are making substantial profits? That would be excellent!
And, being broke, will we cut our military spending?
I am not saying we stop all military spending. I am saying that spending more on our military than the next 7 countries combined is lunacy.
And the coal companies go into instant permanent bankruptcy. LOLGood, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
We're broke? So we will stop giving subsidies and tax breaks for some of those companies I listed before? Ones that are making substantial profits? That would be excellent!
And, being broke, will we cut our military spending?
I say absolutely. Stop ALL of the tax breaks and subsidies to every corporation out there. Corporate welfare is an abomination.
Tesla shares, selling for just over $30 in 2012, now selling for over $300. LOL What a loser. LOL And they now are selling solar roofs, grid scale batteries as well as storage batteries for residences. LOL
And really.......who in their right mind can support tax bailouts of these green entities? Its a crime in my mind....4 billion dollars while direct care workers in my field haven't had a raise in 6 years..........stand on your own in the marketplace or take a hike. Most of the stoopid's of the world don't even realize they are paying out of their pockets for these things.
Tesla!! A COMPANY LWNJ'S LOVE!!
They're on track to lose over a BILLION in 2017!!!
WOOHOO!!!!
.........exactly why congress is cutting the balls off of this fuckfest.
The orange tax plan seeks to jettison the tax incentives on these cars.........its in the bill. Watch the stock if that passes.
The orange tax plan seeks to jettison the tax incentives on these cars.........its in the bill. Watch the stock if that passes.
And since 2000, the federal gov't has given The Southern Company (Georgia Power, Alabama Power ect) over $1.7 billion in subsidies and tax breaks. While that company reports hundreds of millions of dollars in profits. Now THAT is insane.
