Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

[Cecilie1200]

They'd lose a lot more than they'd gain, and they wouldn't have the federal government to blame for their immigrant problem.

Without the federal government, they wouldn't HAVE an immigrant problem.

 

[bodecea]

Without the federal government, they wouldn't HAVE an immigrant problem.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Cecilie1200]

None of that matters.

King George called the FFs traitors, and then the United Staes happened.

If Texas wants to secede, it should secede.

No one has the moral right to tell them they may not.

It's super-simple.

The Founding Fathers WERE traitors to the British government.

 

[MinTrut]

The Founding Fathers were traitors to England. However, they won the war....what do you think would have happened to them if they'd lost the war?

Irrelevant.

 

[Faun]

i don't believe it is an act of war

no one has the right to rule over you against your will... make u live without representation

The federal government doesn't rule over Texas. They have concurrent jurisdiction over that land with the state of Texas. Texas has no legal authority to take that from the United States without expressed consent. And if they do that, that is indeed an act of war over which the U.S. is within their right to respond in kind.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The confederacy will not be allowed rise again. There's way more legal justification for putting down a rebellion than there is for a bunch of hard right assholes to steal an entire state. You can't have a divorce now get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

Who says the next secession will be a "confederacy"?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Those who believe that the states have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States are ignorant of the law and know nothing about the Constitution (see Texas v. White (1868)).

That’s why there was no such thing as the ‘confederacy’; no state ‘seceded’ from the Union.

The ‘South’ was nothing more than states engaged in lawless, treasonous rebellion.

Show us the law prohibiting secession.

 

[Juicin]

Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

Andrew Napolitano is an attorney who has studied the US Constitution and he says that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to keep the states together, that they have a right to secede

it makes sense

when the country was being formed, the leaders needed all the states to ratify the Union and Constitution

if they have the right to agree to it, they have the right to take back their agreement.. the right to secede... Remember the words of the early documents... that if, after a long string of usurpations... people find it necessary to throw off the bonds... (I will get the exact words soon but you know them or should .)

No state in the union has a right to secede

They ratified a constitution with no exit clause, lol

Napolitano is obviously wrong on this. There would be war and Texas would get annihilated. Shit we could just wait for a cold snap LOL

 

[Juicin]

Show us the law prohibiting secession.

Show us the path to exit?

There isn't one

You only get in, you don't get out you uppity little shits.

 

[Juicin]

The Founding Fathers WERE traitors to the British government.

We don't normally consider people treated as second class citizens as traitors tho....?

Were the haitians traitors to the french/ certainly not

So obviously there is some line. Now maybe Americans were treated well enough....But certainly weren't equals.

So we had every right to rebel. We were oppressed by those dastardly brits

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Show us the path to exit?

There isn't one

You only get in, you don't get out you uppity little shits.

If a state decides to vote to secede, then there's nothing stopping them.

Another option, would be to hold an Article 5 convention and amend the Constitution.

 

[Juicin]

If a state decides to vote to secede, then there's nothing stopping them.

Another option, would be to hold an Article 5 convention and amend the Constitution.

That happened once, we fought a civil war over it

This isn't canada, there is no path to exit. Our jurisprudence is not theirs.

Texas has literally taken this to court and lost. THere is no unilateral right to secession under AMerican law.

 

[22lcidw]

Perhaps if and when the Repubs come back to power, they can vote to reinforce more independence in their own laws for states.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

That happened once, we fought a civil war over it

This isn't canada, there is no path to exit. Our jurisprudence is not theirs.

Texas has literally taken this to court and lost. THere is no unilateral right to secession under AMerican law.

1. Laws are created by military action in this country. They can only be created via legislation, or by amending the Constitution.

2. The courts can't make law, hence they can't outlaw secession.

3. There's not on court case ruling one way, or the other, on secession.

 

[Juicin]

1. Laws are created by military action in this country. They can only be created via legislation, or by amending the Constitution.

2. The courts can't make law, hence they can't outlaw secession.

3. There's not on court case ruling one way, or the other, on secession.

1. You understand the congress funded the war to fight the south, right/ You think the military just funded itself? The fuck is this? Fucking plebs

2. is not true. They can't make a law. They can "outlaw" secession

3. Yes there is. Texas v White. Google it. No unilateral right to secession. Although they say if the states ratified it then there may be a path. But that wasn't the issue at hand it was Texas just trying to leave

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

2. is not true. They can't make a law. They can "outlaw" secession

3. Yes there is. Texas v White. Google it. No unilateral right to secession. Although they say if the states ratified it then there may be a path. But that wasn't the issue at hand it was Texas just trying to leave

The only way to outlaw something, is to make a law prohibiting it.

Texas v. White has nothing to to do with secession being constitutional.

 

[Juicin]

The only way to outlaw something, is to make a law prohibiting it.

Texas v. White has nothing to to do with secession being constitutional.

No. For example Roe v Wade very much outlaws any law prohibiting abortion before viability

There was not any legislation behind that

And a billion other examples. They very much can outlaw many things. lol

IT's their job to set limits, including "outlawing" legislation. To declare something unconstitutional as a court is to outlaw something, as the most obvious example.

 

[Juicin]

The only way to outlaw something, is to make a law prohibiting it.

Texas v. White has nothing to to do with secession being constitutional.

They opined on the subject

Courts view very clear on this, and it most certainly did have to do with secession lol

 

[JWBooth]

That's an interesting notion. You can't secede from the country, because the government of the country you're trying to secede from says that you can't. That's a little like a woman asking her husband if she's allowed to divorce him, and then staying married because he tells her she has to.

The USSC at the time of Texas v White consisted of Lincoln appoitees and others who were not known to have any southern sympathies, the ruling was a forgone conclusion. That would be like suggesting a British court would rule in favor of American secession in 1778.

 

[bodecea]

Irrelevant.

Why would that be con-sidered irrelevant?