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Yeah, the SCOTUS declined to issue a stay of some sort in the PA case, and this was the day after Texas filed, so I think the SCOTUS is focusing on this one BIG case to make a broader decision than just PA.far as i know it's been officially docketed. the GOP case against PA was brushed off. the guess is theres original jurisdiction in the Texas vs. States case.
Which is merely par for the course.Its obvious that the biden voters posting here do not understand what is going onOne state suing another automatically has standing in the Supreme Court.
Actually, PA is the only state of the four where the legislature did change the law, but their STATE CONSTITUTION was violated that specified how the mail-in vote was to be counted, and the government of PA simply ignored their own state Constitution.
The world is full of drunks and fools that make me laugh, but I dont LIKE any of them.i like you.Your feelings I'll leave to you. The arguments being presented is what I'll critique.
you make me laf.
Freedom loving Americans have been watching the Globalists and Marxists take over this country for the last 40 years and felt dispair that no one would do anything about it.
That is until TRUMP came along and reversed it.
Now stupid ass Dimbocraps a Globalist Neocons think that they can simply cheat and steal it back?
No fucking way, morons.
We the People will do EVERYTHING we can up to and including secession, revolt and civil war to prevent this disgrace of a piece of shyte from ever becoming President.
END OF STORY.
Joe Beijing Biden was NOT elected in an honest election; TRUMP was re-elected, and he will have a second term or we will have civil war.
Allowing citizens to vote by mail during a pandemic emergency is not fraud.
People calling it fraud are way off base.
Will the candidates in the primary using this method be invalidated, and special election winners be evicted, along with all the candidates in the Nov 3 election be invalidated?
After the citizens were told by their govt that it was legal and to vote that way?
I do not think so.
And if it did go to the legislature or house, wouldnt they be obligated on their electors chosen, to be the electors of the citizen's choice...who clearly did choose Biden, not Trump, but a technicality and not fraud by the citizens, is the complaint?
Why weren't the constitutionality complaints brought and settled during the primaries and before the Nov elections?
There is no way the SC would change and usurp the will of the people at this point.
Voters Constitutional rights were violated. That is the issue. All legally cast votes should be considered exactly the same regardless of jurisdiction. That did not happen.
This is a very serious Constitutional question that must be resolved to protect all of our Rights. This should not be about team politics.
No it should not.
And every candidate has a right to redress through the courts, through recounts etc.
When court after court has dismissed cases for lack of evidence...when the lead attorney himself has to claim it's not fraud in order to avoid lying to the judge, when election officials on your own team say there is no evidence of fraud, when the DoJ fails to find fraud...then it's time to move on and accept the election as valid or...
make it about team politics and attempt to overturn a legitimate election and have partisan legislatures install the candidate who lost.
That invokes a greater crisis then your fraudulent one.
Or give up and let possible fraud win the day.
I know they won't win this fight, this is just the beginning.
Court orders for all election materials in the States in question. Court orders for all election hardware and software. Court orders to produce lists of all election workers in the disputed areas.
What fraud?
There's no evidence of a 'stolen election'.
Texas is saying the States in question violated the rules. This led to the increased chance of fraud.
There is no hard evidence YET, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence you ignore. You act like the people who did it wouldn't try to hide it.
I don't believe Texas has to prove any fraud. I don't think their case even mentions fraud. All they have to prove is that 1) the legislatures of those states passed clear and specific election laws, 2) various state government entities who are NOT the legislature decided to change those rules without consulting the state legislature, 3) the US Constitution disallows for such behavior, and 4) the people of the state of Texas (and now Louisiana and Alabama) are substantially harmed by the behavior.
Yeah, the SCOTUS declined to issue a stay of some sort in the PA case, and this was the day after Texas filed, so I think the SCOTUS is focusing on this one BIG case to make a broader decision than just PA.
But who knows? The SCOTUS is so random these days.
Although equal protection applies within a state, but has no standing between states, since the constitutions scheme for assigning voting power violated equal protection.SEVEN states have now joined Texas lawsuit, arguing that the Equal Protection Clause has been violated in this election from state-to-state.
, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, South Dakota.
Can’t overturn a vote that doesn’t exist.As much as I'd like to see another Trump term...At this point I just don't see any court overturning hundreds of thousands if not millions of votes. Unless the evidence is irrefutable and compelling.
On another note, if the republicans are able to hold at least one seat in Georgia, then that is the best thing that could happen to this country, if not, the worst, we will not recognize this country in six months.
Big Texas Dick slams down on the table.Don’t Mess with Texas!
Texas Sues Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin for Unconstitutionally Changing Election Procedures
Texas goes directly to the Supreme Court, requesting the High Court to order these swing states with voting irregularities to allow their legislatures to appoint presidential electors.
Don't Mess with Texas! Texas Sues Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin for Unconstitutionally Changing Election Procedures | The Stream
8 Dec 2020 ~~ By Al Perrotta
~[snip]~
Just before midnight, the State of Texas threw its massive weight into the election fraud fight. Texas sued Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on the grounds their ad-hoc changes to election procedures were unconstitutional. And as a result, violated the rights of Texans and those in other states that followed the constitution. Don’t mess with Texas, indeed.
What’s more, Texas isn’t fiddling around with lower courts. They marched straight to the Supreme Court. And they are requesting the Supreme Court order the offending states to allow their legislatures to appoint their presidential electors.
Dodging State Legislatures Was Dodgy
Breitbart was the first major outlet with the story, and breaks down the argument the Lone Star State is making.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.In their lawsuit, Texas claims “certain officials in the Defendant States” presented the COVID pandemic “as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in balloting.” As streiff at RedState noted, “there’s no pandemic escape hatch in the constitution.”
~[snip]~
Going to the Supreme Court…a Long Shot, Perhaps
Texas approached the Supreme Court directly, Breitbart reports, “because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.”
Is the Supreme Court going to hear the case? Twitchy has collected the early reaction of legal types, and the consensus seems to be it’s a long shot the Supreme Court will hear the case, let alone rule in Texas’ favor. Several commentators note that the suit was filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, not the state’s solicitor general Kyle Hawkins, who would be the go-to person for suits like this.
Comment:
The Roberts court will either determine that it's none of Texas' business how other states do stuff or that the legistlatures were in session and aware of the changes and did not act, therefore they are implicitly the method determined by the legislature to be appropriate and so once again, buzz of Texas.
This case doesn’t require evidence, it hangs upon the law being changed illegally, before the election.
Every American voter in is being disenfranchised in this National Election by the States who were grossly negligent in their duties to conduct a free and fair election.
All States, who abided by their State Election Rules, should join with Texas and take the scoundrels to court.
And that is the point.Can’t overturn a vote that doesn’t exist.As much as I'd like to see another Trump term...At this point I just don't see any court overturning hundreds of thousands if not millions of votes. Unless the evidence is irrefutable and compelling.
On another note, if the republicans are able to hold at least one seat in Georgia, then that is the best thing that could happen to this country, if not, the worst, we will not recognize this country in six months.
A counterfeit vote is no different from counterfeit money.
That’s not saying much. These guys were impressed with a lunatic like Powell.Even Trump's legal team is impressed.
i'm actually quoting Gung Ho. the old chinese man at the end talking to Micheal Keaton who just drove a car that fell apart in 10 feet. she's/he's got not other use in the world but their fantasies make me laugh. its basically a slam down on them for being stupid.The world is full of drunks and fools that make me laugh, but I dont LIKE any of them.i like you.Your feelings I'll leave to you. The arguments being presented is what I'll critique.
you make me laf.
None of them, yet, obviously, you fucking douchebag. Once a court finds the state broke the law, then it's electoral votes get awarded to Trump and all you lying weasels start crying,.State election laws are public record. I suggest you go read them. Then go look at changes made by election officials and the judiciary. This isn't rocket science. Setting to rules for elections belongs solely to the legislature. States have in fact challenged this. In PA one judge did rule it unconstitutional and it was punted over 'timeliness' not constitutionality. There is an open case in WI challenging the same thing. It was also a part of Powell's lawsuits. You don't know about because the liberal media ignored it.Beyond equal protection and the fact state election laws were violated?Dont mess with Texas, ya freaking commies!
Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court before midnight on Monday challenging election results in four other states.www.breitbart.com
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.…This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Texas is the crookedest state in the union. Texas has no standing as they cannot prove any harm.
Asking for more consistency and uniformity in the Electors Clause is “crooked”? How? The lawsuit brought on by Texas will most likely not change the outcome of the ‘20 Election but it will give US some necessary structure around voting integrity moving forward and not having future elections be conducted like some third world, banana republic.
The state of Texas has no standing and cannot demonstrate any harm. Any structure is up to the individual states Texas has no say in this. You are the ones who are trying to turn this into a third world banana republic. These arguments have been rejected by federal and state judges. Republican and Democrat and even judges appointed bt Trump.
All Texas has to do is get their AG or their SC to pass it along to the SC.
They don't just pass things. There has to be constitutional issues.
There are. Find the thread and read it. Its on this board.
There are no constitutional issues.
The States in question have not found that their state election laws were violated.
Nor has any of the relevant State Legislatures. Nor has the Supreme Court.
So what violation are you referring to?
I have. I'm asking you which court has determined that there was a violation of state election laws. And you were unable to provide any.
Not the State courts. Not the State Legislatures. Not the election officials. Not the Supreme Court.
No one has found a violation. So what violation are you referring to?
None of them, yet, obviously, you fucking douchebag. Once a court finds the state broke the law, then it's electoral votes get awarded to Trump and all you lying weasels start crying,.State election laws are public record. I suggest you go read them. Then go look at changes made by election officials and the judiciary. This isn't rocket science. Setting to rules for elections belongs solely to the legislature. States have in fact challenged this. In PA one judge did rule it unconstitutional and it was punted over 'timeliness' not constitutionality. There is an open case in WI challenging the same thing. It was also a part of Powell's lawsuits. You don't know about because the liberal media ignored it.Beyond equal protection and the fact state election laws were violated?Dont mess with Texas, ya freaking commies!
Texas Sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules
Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court before midnight on Monday challenging election results in four other states.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors. The lawsuit says:Certain officials in the Defendant States presented the pandemic as the justification for ignoring state laws regarding absentee and mail-in voting. The Defendant States flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots in derogation of statutory controls as to how they are lawfully received, evaluated, and counted. Whether well intentioned or not, these unconstitutional acts had the same uniform effect—they made the 2020 election less secure in the Defendant States. Those changes are inconsistent with relevant state laws and were made by non-legislative entities, without any consent by the state legislatures. The acts of these officials thus directly violated the Constitution.…This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors? These non-legislative changes to the Defendant States’ election laws facilitated the casting and counting of ballots in violation of state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. By these unlawful acts, the Defendant States have not only tainted the integrity of their own citizens’ vote, but their actions have also debased the votes of citizens in Plaintiff State and other States that remained loyal to the Constitution.Texas approached the Supreme Court directly because Article III provides that it is the court of first impression on subjects where it has original jurisdiction, such as disputes between two or more states.
Texas is the crookedest state in the union. Texas has no standing as they cannot prove any harm.
Asking for more consistency and uniformity in the Electors Clause is “crooked”? How? The lawsuit brought on by Texas will most likely not change the outcome of the ‘20 Election but it will give US some necessary structure around voting integrity moving forward and not having future elections be conducted like some third world, banana republic.
The state of Texas has no standing and cannot demonstrate any harm. Any structure is up to the individual states Texas has no say in this. You are the ones who are trying to turn this into a third world banana republic. These arguments have been rejected by federal and state judges. Republican and Democrat and even judges appointed bt Trump.
All Texas has to do is get their AG or their SC to pass it along to the SC.
They don't just pass things. There has to be constitutional issues.
There are. Find the thread and read it. Its on this board.
There are no constitutional issues.
The States in question have not found that their state election laws were violated.
Nor has any of the relevant State Legislatures. Nor has the Supreme Court.
So what violation are you referring to?
I have. I'm asking you which court has determined that there was a violation of state election laws. And you were unable to provide any.
Not the State courts. Not the State Legislatures. Not the election officials. Not the Supreme Court.
No one has found a violation. So what violation are you referring to?
They haven't been to court yet, numskull.There's tons of it, you fucking moron. You never see it because you only watch fake news.Allowing citizens to vote by mail during a pandemic emergency is not fraud.
People calling it fraud are way off base.
Will the candidates in the primary using this method be invalidated, and special election winners be evicted, along with all the candidates in the Nov 3 election be invalidated?
After the citizens were told by their govt that it was legal and to vote that way?
I do not think so.
And if it did go to the legislature or house, wouldnt they be obligated on their electors chosen, to be the electors of the citizen's choice...who clearly did choose Biden, not Trump, but a technicality and not fraud by the citizens, is the complaint?
Why weren't the constitutionality complaints brought and settled during the primaries and before the Nov elections?
There is no way the SC would change and usurp the will of the people at this point.
Voters Constitutional rights were violated. That is the issue. All legally cast votes should be considered exactly the same regardless of jurisdiction. That did not happen.
This is a very serious Constitutional question that must be resolved to protect all of our Rights. This should not be about team politics.
No it should not.
And every candidate has a right to redress through the courts, through recounts etc.
When court after court has dismissed cases for lack of evidence...when the lead attorney himself has to claim it's not fraud in order to avoid lying to the judge, when election officials on your own team say there is no evidence of fraud, when the DoJ fails to find fraud...then it's time to move on and accept the election as valid or...
make it about team politics and attempt to overturn a legitimate election and have partisan legislatures install the candidate who lost.
That invokes a greater crisis then your fraudulent one.
Or give up and let possible fraud win the day.
I know they won't win this fight, this is just the beginning.
Court orders for all election materials in the States in question. Court orders for all election hardware and software. Court orders to produce lists of all election workers in the disputed areas.
What fraud?
There's no evidence of a 'stolen election'.
Then why, pray tell, has Trump's legal team refused to present such evidence in court......or even alleged that any fraud occured in any of their legal arguments?
There's a reason why the horseshit you're being fed from press conferences next to adult bookstores......and what Trump's attorneys are actually arguing in court have nothing to do with each other.
