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Few were whining for gay marriage 30 years ago. We just need a bit more often opening of the American mind....
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
I've seen many supposed "Christian conservatives" wanting to lower age of consent, and I've had many arguments with posters about this, yet I support gay marriage. Go figure. 
Yes..planned parenthood comes to mind....Few were whining for gay marriage 30 years ago. We just need a bit more often opening of the American mind....
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
And I have no problem with views changing concerning consenting adults. But this case is not about consenting adults.
Also, we have become much more accepting of various sexual activities and sexualities. But at the same time we have become more and more protective of children. So the trend has been moving towards greater protections of children, not lesser.
Few were whining for gay marriage 30 years ago. We just need a bit more often opening of the American mind....
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
And I have no problem with views changing concerning consenting adults. But this case is not about consenting adults.
Also, we have become much more accepting of various sexual activities and sexualities. But at the same time we have become more and more protective of children. So the trend has been moving towards greater protections of children, not lesser.
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
Yes..planed parenthood comes to mind....Few were whining for gay marriage 30 years ago. We just need a bit more often opening of the American mind....
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
And I have no problem with views changing concerning consenting adults. But this case is not about consenting adults.
Also, we have become much more accepting of various sexual activities and sexualities. But at the same time we have become more and more protective of children. So the trend has been moving towards greater protections of children, not lesser.
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
Few were whining for gay marriage 30 years ago. We just need a bit more often opening of the American mind....
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
And I have no problem with views changing concerning consenting adults. But this case is not about consenting adults.
Also, we have become much more accepting of various sexual activities and sexualities. But at the same time we have become more and more protective of children. So the trend has been moving towards greater protections of children, not lesser.
I did not say "concerning consenting adults" I said, "what IS a consenting adult".
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
Few were whining for gay marriage 30 years ago. We just need a bit more often opening of the American mind....
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
And I have no problem with views changing concerning consenting adults. But this case is not about consenting adults.
Also, we have become much more accepting of various sexual activities and sexualities. But at the same time we have become more and more protective of children. So the trend has been moving towards greater protections of children, not lesser.
I did not say "concerning consenting adults" I said, "what IS a consenting adult".
The man in the case in the OP was convicted of a crime that involves continuous sexual abuse of a child. The upper age limit on that is 14. I think it is a pretty safe bet that no one of any consequence will push for children 13 and younger to be able to consent to sexual activity, especially with an adult.
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
You are clinging to your strawman, aren't you? People changed their opinion of what consenting adults do. In this case, that does not apply. But keep ranting about pedophiles and gays being the same. I'm sure Stevie can use the company.
His point about how rapid change is, is valid.
People did not change "their view of what consenting adults do" they had their views of right and wrong changed.
The definition of what is considered a consenting adult has changed in my lifetime, who is to say it won't change again.
Indeed, it is likely to.
And I have no problem with views changing concerning consenting adults. But this case is not about consenting adults.
Also, we have become much more accepting of various sexual activities and sexualities. But at the same time we have become more and more protective of children. So the trend has been moving towards greater protections of children, not lesser.
I did not say "concerning consenting adults" I said, "what IS a consenting adult".
The man in the case in the OP was convicted of a crime that involves continuous sexual abuse of a child. The upper age limit on that is 14. I think it is a pretty safe bet that no one of any consequence will push for children 13 and younger to be able to consent to sexual activity, especially with an adult.
i was talking to this 21 year old kid the other day.
He was expressing his shock and dismay at what 14 year old kids are up to.
This is not the first time I have had this conversation with younger people.
Change builds on itself. What you think of as normal limits, or outside of normal limits might change faster than you think.
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
And what if there is a backlash?
All you have to do is drop the age of "consenting"...how difficult is that when you're slouching toward Gomorrah?
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
And what if there is a backlash?
Yes, the priests are probably upset.
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
And what if there is a backlash?
Yes, the priests are probably upset.
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because the drunk chick they hooked up with sobered up and changed her mind?
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because some underage chick lied to them about her age?
Right now, we are in a witch hunt phase. It will end at some point.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
And what if there is a backlash?
Yes, the priests are probably upset.
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because the drunk chick they hooked up with sobered up and changed her mind?
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because some underage chick lied to them about her age?
Right now, we are in a witch hunt phase. It will end at some point.
I am not, and have not, said any of those things haven't happened.
But the case in the OP is clearly not anything like those examples. So I prefer to stick to the actual topic and things that pertain to it.
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
And what if there is a backlash?
Yes, the priests are probably upset.
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because the drunk chick they hooked up with sobered up and changed her mind?
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because some underage chick lied to them about her age?
Right now, we are in a witch hunt phase. It will end at some point.
In an age when we have continually moved the age limits up, for drinking, tobacco use ect, the idea that the age of consent would be lowered below 14 is ridiculous.
If you had asked someone in 1985 if Gay Marriage would become legal, he might have said the same.
And the trends over the last 50 or 60 years has been that of more and more acceptance of sexuality. So it stands to reason that gays would be more and more accepted.
During the same time there have been more and more protective measures for children.
And what if there is a backlash?
Yes, the priests are probably upset.
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because the drunk chick they hooked up with sobered up and changed her mind?
How many men are in prison or have had their lives ruined because some underage chick lied to them about her age?
Right now, we are in a witch hunt phase. It will end at some point.
