Texas senate approves open carry law

[M14 Shooter]

We all know private party sales are rarely lawful.

This is a lie.

How do you know?

More importantly: how do YOU know?
You don't, and you know you don't.
Thus a lie.
People with sound positions do not need to lie to make their point

 

[rightwinger]

Ah! Handguns! Is there no problem they cannot solve? Wait til road rage, drunken hillbillies, incompetent marksmen, stooges who leave their penises, er ah handguns in the reach of their children, domestic disputes, bar fights and minor disagreements that flare out of control because someone has a gun and that makes him feel like Dirty Harry! At least there will be a self appointed vigilante with a gun strapped to his waist on hand to show the world what consequences his lack of judgment may wrought.

And just how many people with CCW's, outta 10 to 15 million CCW's in the USA, do the outrageous shit that you spew above?

Every week we hear of reports about a toddler shooting a gun left within her reach or someone 'holstering' her weapon and then it discharges or how kids found Dad's gun with tragic consequences.

The gubn culture has painted a thin veneer of 'safety and security' over carrying guns. by first instilling fear "You need a gun for defense" in spite of the fact most folks do not encounter the Rambo scenario they secretly hope for when they decide to pack heat.

There are over 320 million people in the U.S. and over 320 million guns in private hands and on top of that there are over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times.....

How many children are accidentally killed with guns......less than 100......

I assume you can do simple math......

100 dead kids?

That is a small price to pay for our second amendment rights

 

[OnePercenter]

Guess I'd better get that CC permit so I can play John Wayne at Wal-Mart as well. I wouldn't want to miss the game.

Try taking one into a casino in Vegas and watch what happens.

 

[2aguy]

Ah! Handguns! Is there no problem they cannot solve? Wait til road rage, drunken hillbillies, incompetent marksmen, stooges who leave their penises, er ah handguns in the reach of their children, domestic disputes, bar fights and minor disagreements that flare out of control because someone has a gun and that makes him feel like Dirty Harry! At least there will be a self appointed vigilante with a gun strapped to his waist on hand to show the world what consequences his lack of judgment may wrought.

If you actually paid attention you would know that more Americans than ever own and carry guns for protection...right now....and the gun murder rate is going down, not up...and the gun accident rate is going down, not up.....so your post is simple ignorance and a lack of knowledge of the subject......

On the contrary, I believe as hate and fear has risen, so have the sale of guns. But suggesting the correlation between gun murders going down and the sale of guns going up is no where near a positive 1; you have no evidence offered to prove that it is and any source you offer will be suspect. Of course I have no evidence to support my opinion either, but I bet mine opinion has a stronger correlation than yours.

actually, the real point is the fact that every time states,enacted some form of carry law you anti gun nuts said that blood would run in the streets, every traffic fender bender would result in murder and every argument between strangers would end in gun fire....and none of it was true.......all of you gun nuts were wrong.....gun ownership went up....and fun murder went down, gun ownership went up, and gun accidents went down.....

More people are carrying guns for self defense, up from 2 million to over 11.1 million and gun murder went down, not up over 11.1 million carrying guns and gun accidents went down, not up


You guys were wrong on all of your predictions and have stayed wrong as the rates kept going down and as each new state created a process to own and carry guns.....

the two latest, Wisconsin and Illinois....the same story.......you anti-gun nuts bitched and moaned and whined and cried about more violence and killing.....and nothing happened......not one thing you all predicted happened...


and on top of that....studies have shown, over years of experience, that concealed carry gun owners are mor law abiding than other, non gun carrying people, and even more law abiding than sworn police officers.....not one thing you said would happen happened....


and that truly pisses you off.....that is why you sit like vultures waiting for the next mass shooting........in gun free zones you created.......so you can pounce on the bodies and drag them, still dripping blood to your minions in the democrat media to scare the uninformed....the people who don't know how full of shit you guys are...


and when a child dies.....because you assholes won't let schools teach gun safety......that is gold for you guys....


so....spare me your weak ass excuses, lies and propaganda........everything you said is wrong and you lie about the rest..

We know how you think, we know what you want and you don't get one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment........

 

[2aguy]

Ah! Handguns! Is there no problem they cannot solve? Wait til road rage, drunken hillbillies, incompetent marksmen, stooges who leave their penises, er ah handguns in the reach of their children, domestic disputes, bar fights and minor disagreements that flare out of control because someone has a gun and that makes him feel like Dirty Harry! At least there will be a self appointed vigilante with a gun strapped to his waist on hand to show the world what consequences his lack of judgment may wrought.

And just how many people with CCW's, outta 10 to 15 million CCW's in the USA, do the outrageous shit that you spew above?

Every week we hear of reports about a toddler shooting a gun left within her reach or someone 'holstering' her weapon and then it discharges or how kids found Dad's gun with tragic consequences.

The gubn culture has painted a thin veneer of 'safety and security' over carrying guns. by first instilling fear "You need a gun for defense" in spite of the fact most folks do not encounter the Rambo scenario they secretly hope for when they decide to pack heat.

There are over 320 million people in the U.S. and over 320 million guns in private hands and on top of that there are over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times.....

How many children are accidentally killed with guns......less than 100......

I assume you can do simple math......

100 dead kids?

That is a small price to pay for our second amendment rights

Tragic....but I don't see the same emotion when kids drown in pools....or get hit by cars.....your irrational fear makes you only care when a gun is involved...since pools kill and injure far more kids than guns.....

 

[OnePercenter]

That is just not true.....guns have safety features that keep them from firing until the user decides to pull the trigger......what you want is features that make them not work.......

Didn't seem to work well with the Mother that was killed by her young Daughter.

 

[2aguy]

That is just not true.....guns have safety features that keep them from firing until the user decides to pull the trigger......what you want is features that make them not work.......

Didn't seem to work well with the Mother that was killed by her young Daughter.

hmmm...what part of "until the user pulls the trigger" didn't get past your public school education....

 

[rightwinger]

Ah! Handguns! Is there no problem they cannot solve? Wait til road rage, drunken hillbillies, incompetent marksmen, stooges who leave their penises, er ah handguns in the reach of their children, domestic disputes, bar fights and minor disagreements that flare out of control because someone has a gun and that makes him feel like Dirty Harry! At least there will be a self appointed vigilante with a gun strapped to his waist on hand to show the world what consequences his lack of judgment may wrought.

And just how many people with CCW's, outta 10 to 15 million CCW's in the USA, do the outrageous shit that you spew above?

Every week we hear of reports about a toddler shooting a gun left within her reach or someone 'holstering' her weapon and then it discharges or how kids found Dad's gun with tragic consequences.

The gubn culture has painted a thin veneer of 'safety and security' over carrying guns. by first instilling fear "You need a gun for defense" in spite of the fact most folks do not encounter the Rambo scenario they secretly hope for when they decide to pack heat.

There are over 320 million people in the U.S. and over 320 million guns in private hands and on top of that there are over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times.....

How many children are accidentally killed with guns......less than 100......

I assume you can do simple math......

100 dead kids?

That is a small price to pay for our second amendment rights

Tragic....but I don't see the same emotion when kids drown in pools....or get hit by cars.....your irrational fear makes you only care when a gun is involved...since pools kill and injure far more kids than guns.....

We do everything we can to make pools safer. We even make pool owner carry insurance in case someone is injured in the pool

When a child is killed by a gun, we just shrug and say......too fucking bad

 

[OnePercenter]

hmmm...what part of "until the user pulls the trigger" didn't get past your public school education....

You don't know the difference of mechanics and responsibility?

 

[OnePercenter]

We do everything we can to make pools safer. We even make pool owner carry insurance in case someone is injured in the pool

When a child is killed by a gun, we just shrug and say......too fucking bad

I feel that everyone that owns a gun should be required to carry insurance.

 

[rightwinger]

We do everything we can to make pools safer. We even make pool owner carry insurance in case someone is injured in the pool

When a child is killed by a gun, we just shrug and say......too fucking bad

I feel that everyone that owns a gun should be required to carry insurance.

If they had to carry insurance, they could not afford guns

 

[OnePercenter]

If they had to carry insurance, they could not afford guns

Depends on the requirements of the insurance.

 

[Wry Catcher]

And just how many people with CCW's, outta 10 to 15 million CCW's in the USA, do the outrageous shit that you spew above?

How many really needed the gun, and more importantly, how many put themselves in predicaments they might not if they had not been armed?

Swallowing your pride and walking away doesn't seem to be much of an option when you are carrying a gun

The reason they buy guns and want so desperately to use them is because they have bought into the culture of fear the gun lobby and culture has so carefully crafted. Everyone wants to be a hero. Dirty Harry coolly taking aim at a 'bad guy'. Rambo coming into a situation guns a'blazin'. And they all think that they live on the set of Escape from New York. Criminals are an everyday occurrence according to these gun nuts.

Now, when was the last time anyone actually faced a life or death situation on the streets of America? It happens all the time, in the movies. But when has anyone actually NEEDED a gun for defense?

Wanna be a cowboy? Wanna be an action movies star? Wanna compensate for some other shortcoming? Buy a gun and carry it openly. Above and beyond the hero status you might think, you are showing the world that, in your judgment, you can handle a crisis situation with the cool and aplomb of anything you can imagine.

March 31, 1981. Four men are grievously wounded by gun fire on the streets of Washington, D.C. Two of these wounded were carrying guns themselves. Another was wounded in the head rendering him paralyzed. The fourth was the President of the United States. He was surrounded by the best armed, best trained cadre of security personnel in history.

Now, Mom goes to the grocer with a side arm strapped to her waist. Does she have the same level of expertise the Secret Service has? Could she be responsible enough that her gun fire does not wound or kill innocent bystanders? Can a third grade teacher keep her cool with twenty or more screaming, panicking children in her charge?

The level of thought involved in these gun laws begins and ends with a misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. There are weapons that belong in the hands of a well regulated militia, not on our streets.

Well stated, thank you.

You think talking out of his ass about a topic he obviously knows nothing about is "well stated" .......well you are a lefty.......

Actually I'm ambidextrous - though I do lean to the left, but not as far as you may believe. I've read the Constitution many times, and militias are mentioned not only in the Second Amendment but also in Art. I, Sec. 8, clause 15 & 16. Framed by the preceding clauses, 13 & 14, puts the Second into perspective for me, as well as other Supreme Court Decisions [United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)] for example. Even Heller, wherein Scalia was the most activist of justices, he needed to use 20 pages and still could not produce a convincing argument managing only a 5-4 decision.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We do everything we can to make pools safer. We even make pool owner carry insurance in case someone is injured in the pool

When a child is killed by a gun, we just shrug and say......too fucking bad

I feel that everyone that owns a gun should be required to carry insurance.

If they had to carry insurance, they could not afford guns

Gun owners have a duty to keep their guns out of the hands of children and criminals. If that duty is abridged, the gun owner is culpable and should pay dearly if damages or death occur.

 

[Nosmo King]

Ah! Handguns! Is there no problem they cannot solve? Wait til road rage, drunken hillbillies, incompetent marksmen, stooges who leave their penises, er ah handguns in the reach of their children, domestic disputes, bar fights and minor disagreements that flare out of control because someone has a gun and that makes him feel like Dirty Harry! At least there will be a self appointed vigilante with a gun strapped to his waist on hand to show the world what consequences his lack of judgment may wrought.

And just how many people with CCW's, outta 10 to 15 million CCW's in the USA, do the outrageous shit that you spew above?

Every week we hear of reports about a toddler shooting a gun left within her reach or someone 'holstering' her weapon and then it discharges or how kids found Dad's gun with tragic consequences.

The gubn culture has painted a thin veneer of 'safety and security' over carrying guns. by first instilling fear "You need a gun for defense" in spite of the fact most folks do not encounter the Rambo scenario they secretly hope for when they decide to pack heat.

There are over 320 million people in the U.S. and over 320 million guns in private hands and on top of that there are over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times.....

How many children are accidentally killed with guns......less than 100......

I assume you can do simple math......

100 dead kids?

That is a small price to pay for our second amendment rights

Tragic....but I don't see the same emotion when kids drown in pools....or get hit by cars.....your irrational fear makes you only care when a gun is involved...since pools kill and injure far more kids than guns.....

Pools were not exclusively designed to kill, neither are cars.

 

[2aguy]

And just how many people with CCW's, outta 10 to 15 million CCW's in the USA, do the outrageous shit that you spew above?

Every week we hear of reports about a toddler shooting a gun left within her reach or someone 'holstering' her weapon and then it discharges or how kids found Dad's gun with tragic consequences.

The gubn culture has painted a thin veneer of 'safety and security' over carrying guns. by first instilling fear "You need a gun for defense" in spite of the fact most folks do not encounter the Rambo scenario they secretly hope for when they decide to pack heat.

There are over 320 million people in the U.S. and over 320 million guns in private hands and on top of that there are over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times.....

How many children are accidentally killed with guns......less than 100......

I assume you can do simple math......

100 dead kids?

That is a small price to pay for our second amendment rights

Tragic....but I don't see the same emotion when kids drown in pools....or get hit by cars.....your irrational fear makes you only care when a gun is involved...since pools kill and injure far more kids than guns.....

Pools were not exclusively designed to kill, neither are cars.

Yet they kill far more than guns do.......seems like that is the bigger problem....objects that appear safe but are deadly.....yet you guys don't break a sweat with pools and cars.........

 

[2aguy]

Yes...drowning is the number one cause of death for children...and you guys could care less..if you spent all your huffing and puffing about drowning, you would save more children.....but then....children killed by guns are gold for you guys.......nothing pumps up your anti gun movement like a dead child......but let that child drown in a pool....yawn....you guys can't muster up any energy for that.......

New CPSC Data Show Child Drownings In Pools and Spas Still A Leading Cause of Death CPSC.gov

 

[2aguy]

Less than 100 kids are killed in accidental gun deaths each year....over 1000 die in car accidents.....yawn....you guys couldn't care less.....and you spend your energy on the object that doesn't kill near as many as cars........

CDC Too many children still dying in car crashes

Despite a 43% drop in road crash deaths of children 12 and younger from 2002-2011, more than 9,000 children in that age group died in crashes during that period, says a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

[2aguy]

If Ford or GM or Hasbro made a product that is responsible for thousands of deaths each year by simoply using that product, there would be a national outcry for banning such products.

But guns are too cool for that.

But guns don't fit that category....since on average guns stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year.....over the gun murder rate of 8-9,000 a year and over the accidental gun death rate of 6-700 a year......

You can do math...right?

collateral damage is acceptable so long as we have guns on the streets and on the persons lacking training and forethought? That's simply not acceptable. Guns are designed to kill. What other products with poor safety records are still on the shelves? Certainly none of those defective products were exclusively designed to kill.

What collateral damage...you have been given the numbers.....more people are carrying guns, over 11.1 million and the gun murder rate is going down and the gun accident rate is going down, not up...you are wrong...and talking out of your ass......and you aren't even as good as Jim Carrey when you do it....

What collateral damage? How many kids are killed by errant guns that someone without enough responsibility to own a cat left in their reach? How many accidental shootings could have been prevented had the wounded not been around a gun at the time?

You cite that fantastic number 1.6 million times a year. But I'm skeptical. Gun lobbies have carefully crafted A message of fear and suspicion into their 'buy a gun today' meme. 1.6 million times a year could account for all the crimes committed, even the crime of irresponsible gun owners wishing their darkest fantasy would come true and a 'bad guy' appears in their homes, just like the movies.

Actually....the Clinton Justice Department...clinton a gun grabber, the justice dept. a gun grabbing agency....researched the defensive use of guns...and their number as to how many times a year guns are used in self defense.....1.5 million times a year.........

Obama, in 2013.....ordered the CDC to study the issue and gave them 10 million dollars.....they studied all the research, all the studies....and found that guns are used between 500,000 and 3 million times a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack....and obama is a gun grabber as is the CDC...

There are over 16 different studies, done over a 40 year period, by both public and private researchers, many of them anti gun, others neutral on the issue, who found, when I average all their results, 1.6 million times a year.....

So not carefully crafted, carefully researched, over an extended period of time by sometimes hostile researchers.......

 

[2aguy]

If Ford or GM or Hasbro made a product that is responsible for thousands of deaths each year by simoply using that product, there would be a national outcry for banning such products.

But guns are too cool for that.

But guns don't fit that category....since on average guns stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year.....over the gun murder rate of 8-9,000 a year and over the accidental gun death rate of 6-700 a year......

You can do math...right?

collateral damage is acceptable so long as we have guns on the streets and on the persons lacking training and forethought? That's simply not acceptable. Guns are designed to kill. What other products with poor safety records are still on the shelves? Certainly none of those defective products were exclusively designed to kill.

What collateral damage...you have been given the numbers.....more people are carrying guns, over 11.1 million and the gun murder rate is going down and the gun accident rate is going down, not up...you are wrong...and talking out of your ass......and you aren't even as good as Jim Carrey when you do it....

What collateral damage? How many kids are killed by errant guns that someone without enough responsibility to own a cat left in their reach? How many accidental shootings could have been prevented had the wounded not been around a gun at the time?

You cite that fantastic number 1.6 million times a year. But I'm skeptical. Gun lobbies have carefully crafted A message of fear and suspicion into their 'buy a gun today' meme. 1.6 million times a year could account for all the crimes committed, even the crime of irresponsible gun owners wishing their darkest fantasy would come true and a 'bad guy' appears in their homes, just like the movies.

Actually....the Clinton Justice Department...clinton a gun grabber, the justice dept. a gun grabbing agency....researched the defensive use of guns...and their number as to how many times a year guns are used in self defense.....1.5 million times a year.........

Obama, in 2013.....ordered the CDC to study the issue and gave them 10 million dollars.....they studied all the research, all the studies....and found that guns are used between 500,000 and 3 million times a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack....and obama is a gun grabber as is the CDC...

There are over 16 different studies, done over a 40 year period, by both public and private researchers, many of them anti gun, others neutral on the issue, who found, when I average all their results, 1.6 million times a year.....

So not carefully crafted, carefully researched, over an extended period of time by sometimes hostile researchers.......

How many kids are killed by errant guns that someone without enough responsibility to own a cat left in their reach?

Less than 100 a year....pools kill more, as do cars.....