Thank God for our RIGHT to keep and bear arms

[frigidweirdo]

Yet the US still has a much higher murder rate than any other first world country, and it's got the most relaxed gun laws too. And you can't see this.

Especially since it is categorically FALSE !

Really?

Which first world countries have a murder rate lower than the USA?

Cute question - intentionally disingenuous. "What house with four people, ages 34, 32, 9 and 2, of which two have birthdays in the month of May, who drive a 4 year old Subaru with rust on the rear panel, is located on the north side of an east-west corridor, the name of which starts with P and ending with K has a small pine tree and an aspen in the left side of the yard as you face the house?"

The US ranks 34th in national homocide rates (in 2013) Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) | Data | Table

Er..... not at all.

I use first world countries because there are lots of issues with countries who aren't first world.

The US somewhere near the top of many rankings, like GDP, like size of the economy and so on. To compare the USA to a country like Somalia is just ridiculous. To compare the US to a country like South Africa is still ridiculous.

To compare the US with a country like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc, which have the money to spend on social programs, which have the education, the resources to deal with problems effectively, then you see what the US should be and what the US is not.

Germany murder rate 0.7
France murder rate 1.2
UK murder rate 1.0
Spain murder rate 0.6
Sweden murder rate 0.9

US murder rate 3.8

Do you see the difference?

You can try and play little games and pretend that the US should be compared to Honduras, but the reality is the US has a GDP of $55,000, Honduras has a GDP of $4,800.

There's a massive difference.

Chicago had a bloody Mother’s Day weekend. It was one of the worst spats of violence he city has seen since September. Eight people were killed, with another 43 wounded. In terms of people being shot, that figures has surged to 1,225 this year. The city is on track to have 500 homicides this year. So, while violent crime has dropped to historic lows, the Windy City, along with Washington D.C. and Baltimore, form the unholy trinity of urban areas that are responsible for the slight spike in homicides were about to have in 2016 (via WFB):

Three major cities accounted for more than half of the rise in the national murder rate between 2014 and 2015, a new report shows.

Though overall crime rates were stagnant in America’s 30 largest cities the murder rate rose 13.3 percent, according to a report from the Brennan Center for Justice.

The violent crime rate also rose by 3.1% in those major cities, lead by increases in Los Angeles, Baltimore, and Charlotte.

Three cities were also mainly responsible for the rise in murders. “Final data confirm that three cities (Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.) account for more than half (244) of the national increase in murders,” the report said.

“Final data confirm that three cities (Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.) account for more than half (244) of the national increase in murders,” the report said.

Last year, Baltimore had the second bloodiest year in its history, with 344 homicides, just shy of the 1993 record of 353. The nation’s capital saw a 54 percent spike in homicides for their 2015-crime report. Still, even as urban areas see more crime, it’s no nowhere near the levels of violence we reached across the country 20 years ago. America is a much safer place, except in these anti-gun, and overwhelmingly Democratic, bastions. Maybe it’s time to make it easier for people to defend themselves.


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Figures don't lie ... but liars figure.

Find a large US city with a murder rate LOWER than a first world country other than the USA. They do exist, by the way.

List of United States cities by crime rate (2014) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm going to do countries and cities of over 250,000 people

Singapore 0.2
Iceland 0.3
Japan 0.3
Kuwait 0.4
Chandler, Arizona 0.4
Slovenia 0.6
Spain 0.6
Denmark 0.7
Switzerland 0.7
Austria 0.7
Holland 0.7
Germany 0.7
Saudi Arabia 0.8
Poland 0.8
South Korea 0.8
Italy 0.8
New Zealand 0.9
Norway 0.9
Sweden 0.9
Czech Republic 0.9
UK 1.0
Qatar 1.1
Croatia 1.1
Ireland 1.1
Australia 1.1
Henderson, Nevada 1.1
France 1.2
Portugal 1.3
Slovakia 1.4
Plano, Texas 1.4
Canada 1.4
Finland 1.7
Israel 1.8
Belgium 1.8
San Diego, California 2.3

Yep, there are 2 cities in the US above 250,000 people with a murder rate lower than Canada's.

 

[Gracie]

 

[frigidweirdo]

No matter how hard the liberals try, there are just too many real Americans who respect the U.S. Constitution in too many places to allow evil to prevail. Sorry libs, this is a war you can't win.

Meet the ‘Ultimate Badass’ Facebook Engineer Reportedly Helping Banned Gun Groups Behind the Scenes Amid New Firearms Policy

Yeah, respect the US Constitution, except when it demands equality for all, woopsie, we missed that bit, didn't we?

 

[frigidweirdo]

View attachment 74558

So, if my right to be equal, why do I need a license to get married?

 

[Wry Catcher]

[Qvails in the U.S. Congress as well as the Washington state legislature.

"Temporary confiscation " if a family can prove the gun owner is a dangerous crazy man. What's so bad about this !?

The Obama administration has said that veterans and people that believe in God are potential terrorists. How can trust anybody that bat shit crazy?

You can't trust Libtards with any interpretation of reasonableness because they are bat shit crazy and will always be unreasonable.

The government should not have the right to restrict the right to keep and bear arms. "Shall not be infringed" means exactly what it says.

Once we give these stupid Libtards the right to interpret who should be allowed the Constitutional rights and who shouldn't then the Bill of Rights isn't worth the parchment it is written on.

What is wrong with adhering to the Bill of Rights?[/QUOTE]

So you support COTUS, do you? How about all those amendments the far right seeks to have repealed? You do understand that the Bill of Rights and all the amendments are part of COTUS, I hope.

So why does your side claim the income tax is theft; that Sec. 1 of the 14th creates anchor babies, not citizens, and seeks its repeal?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Obama administration has said that veterans and people that believe in God are potential terrorists. How can trust anybody that bat shit crazy?

You can't trust Libtards with any interpretation of reasonableness because they are bat shit crazy and will always be unreasonable.

The government should not have the right to restrict the right to keep and bear arms. "Shall not be infringed" means exactly what it says.

Once we give these stupid Libtards the right to interpret who should be allowed the Constitutional rights and who shouldn't then the Bill of Rights isn't worth the parchment it is written on.

What is wrong with adhering to the Bill of Rights?

Yeah, no veteran has ever been a terrorist. Name ONE terrorist who has ever been a terrorist. Name one veteran who has ever blown up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Name one veteran who's ever planted a bomb in Oklahoma. Name one veteran who ever set off a bomb killing 168 people, name one veteran who killed people in 1995. Come on, I bet you can't.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I believe in the second amendment but it would be insane not to limit fire arms to the crazy people. Lets go to mars!

 

[Rustic]

Especially since it is categorically FALSE !

Really?

Which first world countries have a murder rate lower than the USA?

Cute question - intentionally disingenuous. "What house with four people, ages 34, 32, 9 and 2, of which two have birthdays in the month of May, who drive a 4 year old Subaru with rust on the rear panel, is located on the north side of an east-west corridor, the name of which starts with P and ending with K has a small pine tree and an aspen in the left side of the yard as you face the house?"

The US ranks 34th in national homocide rates (in 2013) Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) | Data | Table

Er..... not at all.

I use first world countries because there are lots of issues with countries who aren't first world.

The US somewhere near the top of many rankings, like GDP, like size of the economy and so on. To compare the USA to a country like Somalia is just ridiculous. To compare the US to a country like South Africa is still ridiculous.

To compare the US with a country like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc, which have the money to spend on social programs, which have the education, the resources to deal with problems effectively, then you see what the US should be and what the US is not.

Germany murder rate 0.7
France murder rate 1.2
UK murder rate 1.0
Spain murder rate 0.6
Sweden murder rate 0.9

US murder rate 3.8

Do you see the difference?

You can try and play little games and pretend that the US should be compared to Honduras, but the reality is the US has a GDP of $55,000, Honduras has a GDP of $4,800.

There's a massive difference.

Chicago had a bloody Mother’s Day weekend. It was one of the worst spats of violence he city has seen since September. Eight people were killed, with another 43 wounded. In terms of people being shot, that figures has surged to 1,225 this year. The city is on track to have 500 homicides this year. So, while violent crime has dropped to historic lows, the Windy City, along with Washington D.C. and Baltimore, form the unholy trinity of urban areas that are responsible for the slight spike in homicides were about to have in 2016 (via WFB):

Three major cities accounted for more than half of the rise in the national murder rate between 2014 and 2015, a new report shows.

Though overall crime rates were stagnant in America’s 30 largest cities the murder rate rose 13.3 percent, according to a report from the Brennan Center for Justice.

The violent crime rate also rose by 3.1% in those major cities, lead by increases in Los Angeles, Baltimore, and Charlotte.

Three cities were also mainly responsible for the rise in murders. “Final data confirm that three cities (Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.) account for more than half (244) of the national increase in murders,” the report said.

“Final data confirm that three cities (Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.) account for more than half (244) of the national increase in murders,” the report said.

Last year, Baltimore had the second bloodiest year in its history, with 344 homicides, just shy of the 1993 record of 353. The nation’s capital saw a 54 percent spike in homicides for their 2015-crime report. Still, even as urban areas see more crime, it’s no nowhere near the levels of violence we reached across the country 20 years ago. America is a much safer place, except in these anti-gun, and overwhelmingly Democratic, bastions. Maybe it’s time to make it easier for people to defend themselves.


-------------------------------------

Figures don't lie ... but liars figure.

Find a large US city with a murder rate LOWER than a first world country other than the USA. They do exist, by the way.

List of United States cities by crime rate (2014) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm going to do countries and cities of over 250,000 people

Singapore 0.2
Iceland 0.3
Japan 0.3
Kuwait 0.4
Chandler, Arizona 0.4
Slovenia 0.6
Spain 0.6
Denmark 0.7
Switzerland 0.7
Austria 0.7
Holland 0.7
Germany 0.7
Saudi Arabia 0.8
Poland 0.8
South Korea 0.8
Italy 0.8
New Zealand 0.9
Norway 0.9
Sweden 0.9
Czech Republic 0.9
UK 1.0
Qatar 1.1
Croatia 1.1
Ireland 1.1
Australia 1.1
Henderson, Nevada 1.1
France 1.2
Portugal 1.3
Slovakia 1.4
Plano, Texas 1.4
Canada 1.4
Finland 1.7
Israel 1.8
Belgium 1.8
San Diego, California 2.3

Yep, there are 2 cities in the US above 250,000 people with a murder rate lower than Canada's.

People kill... Not firearms. Dumbass

 

[frigidweirdo]

Really?

Which first world countries have a murder rate lower than the USA?

Cute question - intentionally disingenuous. "What house with four people, ages 34, 32, 9 and 2, of which two have birthdays in the month of May, who drive a 4 year old Subaru with rust on the rear panel, is located on the north side of an east-west corridor, the name of which starts with P and ending with K has a small pine tree and an aspen in the left side of the yard as you face the house?"

The US ranks 34th in national homocide rates (in 2013) Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) | Data | Table

Er..... not at all.

I use first world countries because there are lots of issues with countries who aren't first world.

The US somewhere near the top of many rankings, like GDP, like size of the economy and so on. To compare the USA to a country like Somalia is just ridiculous. To compare the US to a country like South Africa is still ridiculous.

To compare the US with a country like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc, which have the money to spend on social programs, which have the education, the resources to deal with problems effectively, then you see what the US should be and what the US is not.

Germany murder rate 0.7
France murder rate 1.2
UK murder rate 1.0
Spain murder rate 0.6
Sweden murder rate 0.9

US murder rate 3.8

Do you see the difference?

You can try and play little games and pretend that the US should be compared to Honduras, but the reality is the US has a GDP of $55,000, Honduras has a GDP of $4,800.

There's a massive difference.

Chicago had a bloody Mother’s Day weekend. It was one of the worst spats of violence he city has seen since September. Eight people were killed, with another 43 wounded. In terms of people being shot, that figures has surged to 1,225 this year. The city is on track to have 500 homicides this year. So, while violent crime has dropped to historic lows, the Windy City, along with Washington D.C. and Baltimore, form the unholy trinity of urban areas that are responsible for the slight spike in homicides were about to have in 2016 (via WFB):

Three major cities accounted for more than half of the rise in the national murder rate between 2014 and 2015, a new report shows.

Though overall crime rates were stagnant in America’s 30 largest cities the murder rate rose 13.3 percent, according to a report from the Brennan Center for Justice.

The violent crime rate also rose by 3.1% in those major cities, lead by increases in Los Angeles, Baltimore, and Charlotte.

Three cities were also mainly responsible for the rise in murders. “Final data confirm that three cities (Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.) account for more than half (244) of the national increase in murders,” the report said.

“Final data confirm that three cities (Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.) account for more than half (244) of the national increase in murders,” the report said.

Last year, Baltimore had the second bloodiest year in its history, with 344 homicides, just shy of the 1993 record of 353. The nation’s capital saw a 54 percent spike in homicides for their 2015-crime report. Still, even as urban areas see more crime, it’s no nowhere near the levels of violence we reached across the country 20 years ago. America is a much safer place, except in these anti-gun, and overwhelmingly Democratic, bastions. Maybe it’s time to make it easier for people to defend themselves.


-------------------------------------

Figures don't lie ... but liars figure.

Find a large US city with a murder rate LOWER than a first world country other than the USA. They do exist, by the way.

List of United States cities by crime rate (2014) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm going to do countries and cities of over 250,000 people

Singapore 0.2
Iceland 0.3
Japan 0.3
Kuwait 0.4
Chandler, Arizona 0.4
Slovenia 0.6
Spain 0.6
Denmark 0.7
Switzerland 0.7
Austria 0.7
Holland 0.7
Germany 0.7
Saudi Arabia 0.8
Poland 0.8
South Korea 0.8
Italy 0.8
New Zealand 0.9
Norway 0.9
Sweden 0.9
Czech Republic 0.9
UK 1.0
Qatar 1.1
Croatia 1.1
Ireland 1.1
Australia 1.1
Henderson, Nevada 1.1
France 1.2
Portugal 1.3
Slovakia 1.4
Plano, Texas 1.4
Canada 1.4
Finland 1.7
Israel 1.8
Belgium 1.8
San Diego, California 2.3

Yep, there are 2 cities in the US above 250,000 people with a murder rate lower than Canada's.

People kill... Not firearms. Dumbass

Wow, insults. Did no one tell you I don't do insulters?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I believe in the second amendment but it would be insane not to limit fire arms to the crazy people. Lets go to mars!

You believe in it? Like, you believe it exists?

 

[there4eyeM]

From the AP:
"DETROIT — Police say a young Detroit girl who found a gun under her grandmother's pillow accidentally shot herself and died.

Police say the girl was 4 years old, but relatives at the scene said Mariah Davis was 5.

Sgt. Michael Woody says officers responded to the home around midnight Tuesday. The girl's grandparents were elsewhere in the house at the time of the shooting. Two other children weren't injured.

Assistant Police Chief Steve Dolunt says guns should be unloaded or secured with a child lock. He says Mariah's death is "sad and tragic" and could have been prevented.

Police Cmdr. Jacqueline Pritchett says charges are possible. She says she felt "sick" in her heart when she got the call."

This just happened.
Irresponsible firearm ownership. Criminal negligence. Indefensible, totally avoidable.

 

[frigidweirdo]

From the AP:
"DETROIT — Police say a young Detroit girl who found a gun under her grandmother's pillow accidentally shot herself and died.

Police say the girl was 4 years old, but relatives at the scene said Mariah Davis was 5.

Sgt. Michael Woody says officers responded to the home around midnight Tuesday. The girl's grandparents were elsewhere in the house at the time of the shooting. Two other children weren't injured.

Assistant Police Chief Steve Dolunt says guns should be unloaded or secured with a child lock. He says Mariah's death is "sad and tragic" and could have been prevented.

Police Cmdr. Jacqueline Pritchett says charges are possible. She says she felt "sick" in her heart when she got the call."

This just happened.
Irresponsible firearm ownership. Criminal negligence. Indefensible, totally avoidable.

Guns don't kill people, little children do, I sawed it in a docuwmentuhrary on BB2.....

 

[MisterBeale]

From the AP:
"DETROIT — Police say a young Detroit girl who found a gun under her grandmother's pillow accidentally shot herself and died.

Police say the girl was 4 years old, but relatives at the scene said Mariah Davis was 5.

Sgt. Michael Woody says officers responded to the home around midnight Tuesday. The girl's grandparents were elsewhere in the house at the time of the shooting. Two other children weren't injured.

Assistant Police Chief Steve Dolunt says guns should be unloaded or secured with a child lock. He says Mariah's death is "sad and tragic" and could have been prevented.

Police Cmdr. Jacqueline Pritchett says charges are possible. She says she felt "sick" in her heart when she got the call."

This just happened.
Irresponsible firearm ownership. Criminal negligence. Indefensible, totally avoidable.

Guns don't kill people, little children do, I sawed it in a docuwmentuhrary on BB2.....

I'm sure the video games, TV, and movies aren't helping any either . . . . .


But it sure as hell isn't the guns. We've always had the 2nd.

 

[Skull Pilot]

From the AP:
"DETROIT — Police say a young Detroit girl who found a gun under her grandmother's pillow accidentally shot herself and died.

Police say the girl was 4 years old, but relatives at the scene said Mariah Davis was 5.

Sgt. Michael Woody says officers responded to the home around midnight Tuesday. The girl's grandparents were elsewhere in the house at the time of the shooting. Two other children weren't injured.

Assistant Police Chief Steve Dolunt says guns should be unloaded or secured with a child lock. He says Mariah's death is "sad and tragic" and could have been prevented.

Police Cmdr. Jacqueline Pritchett says charges are possible. She says she felt "sick" in her heart when she got the call."

This just happened.
Irresponsible firearm ownership. Criminal negligence. Indefensible, totally avoidable.

Was the gun legal?

 

[frigidweirdo]

From the AP:
"DETROIT — Police say a young Detroit girl who found a gun under her grandmother's pillow accidentally shot herself and died.

Police say the girl was 4 years old, but relatives at the scene said Mariah Davis was 5.

Sgt. Michael Woody says officers responded to the home around midnight Tuesday. The girl's grandparents were elsewhere in the house at the time of the shooting. Two other children weren't injured.

Assistant Police Chief Steve Dolunt says guns should be unloaded or secured with a child lock. He says Mariah's death is "sad and tragic" and could have been prevented.

Police Cmdr. Jacqueline Pritchett says charges are possible. She says she felt "sick" in her heart when she got the call."

This just happened.
Irresponsible firearm ownership. Criminal negligence. Indefensible, totally avoidable.

Guns don't kill people, little children do, I sawed it in a docuwmentuhrary on BB2.....

I'm sure the video games, TV, and movies aren't helping any either . . . . .


But it sure as hell isn't the guns. We've always had the 2nd.

Like I've said. People with guns are far more likely to kill than people without guns.

The fact that there are only 2 cities in the US above 250,000 people with lower murders than most of the first world, suggests that guns ARE a problem in society.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Here is a great example of how bat shit crazy these Libtards are and how their real agenda is confiscation.

Ms Potato Head is leading the effort today.

Gabby Giffords: Universal Background Checks Not Enough, Legalize Confiscation - Breitbart

Gabby Giffords: Universal Background Checks Not Enough, Legalize Confiscation

On May 9 — less than two years since universal background checks were hoisted onto the backs of law-abiding citizens in Washington state — Gabby Giffords was in the state campaigning for special protective orders that will allow firearm confiscation.
The orders — “Extreme Risk Protection Orders” — would be similar to California’s Gun Violence Restraining Orders, inasmuch as they would allow “family or household members” to petition a judge to order the temporary confiscation of firearms from another family member or person living in the household.

Seattlepi.com reported on Giffords’s visit to support the confiscatory orders contained in Initiative 1491. The outlet quoted Giffords urging a crowd of about 1,500 to support I-1491, saying, “We must never stop fighting! Fight, fight, fight. Be bold, be courageous. The nation is counting on you.” Giffords’s husband Mark Kelly traveled with her, and he explained that they support the initiative over legislation because it allows them to get around the opposition to confiscatory orders that currently prevails in the U.S. Congress as well as the Washington state legislature.

"Temporary confiscation " if a family can prove the gun owner is a dangerous crazy man. What's so bad about this !?

How does one go about proving such a thing?

The same way you go about proving anything ! Testimony , physical evidence etc..

How any times have psychos gone on shooting sprees and we all wonder "why didn't someone do somthing !?"

Actually mass shooting sprees are pretty rare they just get lots of press

And there are and always have been procedures for getting someone committed

 

[Skull Pilot]

From the AP:
"DETROIT — Police say a young Detroit girl who found a gun under her grandmother's pillow accidentally shot herself and died.

Police say the girl was 4 years old, but relatives at the scene said Mariah Davis was 5.

Sgt. Michael Woody says officers responded to the home around midnight Tuesday. The girl's grandparents were elsewhere in the house at the time of the shooting. Two other children weren't injured.

Assistant Police Chief Steve Dolunt says guns should be unloaded or secured with a child lock. He says Mariah's death is "sad and tragic" and could have been prevented.

Police Cmdr. Jacqueline Pritchett says charges are possible. She says she felt "sick" in her heart when she got the call."

This just happened.
Irresponsible firearm ownership. Criminal negligence. Indefensible, totally avoidable.

Guns don't kill people, little children do, I sawed it in a docuwmentuhrary on BB2.....

I'm sure the video games, TV, and movies aren't helping any either . . . . .


But it sure as hell isn't the guns. We've always had the 2nd.

Like I've said. People with guns are far more likely to kill than people without guns.

The fact that there are only 2 cities in the US above 250,000 people with lower murders than most of the first world, suggests that guns ARE a problem in society.

Then explain why more people are killed with fists and feet than by all rifles shotguns combined

 

[IsaacNewton]

There is a bizarre fascination by some here with people getting harmed or killed. They comb the news for any act of misery on Earth that they can find.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Here is a great example of how bat shit crazy these Libtards are and how their real agenda is confiscation.

Ms Potato Head is leading the effort today.

Gabby Giffords: Universal Background Checks Not Enough, Legalize Confiscation - Breitbart

Gabby Giffords: Universal Background Checks Not Enough, Legalize Confiscation

On May 9 — less than two years since universal background checks were hoisted onto the backs of law-abiding citizens in Washington state — Gabby Giffords was in the state campaigning for special protective orders that will allow firearm confiscation.
The orders — “Extreme Risk Protection Orders” — would be similar to California’s Gun Violence Restraining Orders, inasmuch as they would allow “family or household members” to petition a judge to order the temporary confiscation of firearms from another family member or person living in the household.

Seattlepi.com reported on Giffords’s visit to support the confiscatory orders contained in Initiative 1491. The outlet quoted Giffords urging a crowd of about 1,500 to support I-1491, saying, “We must never stop fighting! Fight, fight, fight. Be bold, be courageous. The nation is counting on you.” Giffords’s husband Mark Kelly traveled with her, and he explained that they support the initiative over legislation because it allows them to get around the opposition to confiscatory orders that currently prevails in the U.S. Congress as well as the Washington state legislature.

"Temporary confiscation " if a family can prove the gun owner is a dangerous crazy man. What's so bad about this !?

How does one go about proving such a thing?

The same way you go about proving anything ! Testimony , physical evidence etc..

How any times have psychos gone on shooting sprees and we all wonder "why didn't someone do somthing !?"

So give me an example of what kind of "physical evidence" would show somebody is not capable of owning or using a firearm. Testimony? Very subjective, don't you think? Testimony is an opinion at best.

Physical evidence ? How about a wife coming into court with a black eye after her psycho husband beat her up . Throw in some testimony on how husband is being erratic and talks about killing a bunch of police officers .

What would u think of that ?

Hear say is not allowed in court.
If he assaulted his wife he should be thrown in jail

 

[Skull Pilot]

There is a bizarre fascination by some here with people getting harmed or killed. They comb the news for any act of misery on Earth that they can find.

You do know the bad acts of one person with a gun is proof that all gun owners are killers waiting to go on a shooting spree don't you?