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[cnm]

Blaming the US for the problems of the Middle East is like blaming Michael Eisner Disney's 'Black Cauldron' (1985).

Sure. As if the illegal invasion of Iraq by the US didn't set the ME on fire. Pretend that all you want. As though all that death and destruction wasn't 'worse'.

 

[fncceo]

So you believe that we should increase our national debt so that we can send money overseas? You think that we should send more of our young to die on foreign soil? We spent to rebuild Europe and what did we get in return? Germany spends next to nothing in NATO and then wants to buy natural gas from Russia. When we went into Iraq the so called friends that did not want us there were buying oil in spite of a UN embargo.

Are dead Arabs a sustainable resource?

They never seem to run out of them.

 

[fncceo]

the illegal invasion of Iraq

If you believe a law has been broken, call a cop.

 

[cnm]

But anyway, I love the way Trumpsistas ignore the way allies of the US have died for them. Not even so much as a passing acknowledgement disturbs the victimhood driven resentment.

 

[theHawk]

Good, let them do their own shit. Why do we need to be holding their hands all the time?

Europe, and in particular Germany, have long been footing the bill for the continuing refugee crisis resulting from American foreign policy. Germany took in one million Syrian refugees. 5 million fled Syria. Canada took in 25,000 Syrian refugees. The US took none.

The costs of US foreign policy are not just found in military spending. Americans have been waging war and creating refugees the world over since WWII, and then walking away while others take in the victims and take care of them.

The Central American refugees being just the latest group to trust Americans and get screwed over.

It’s was the Hussein’s foreign policy that created the millions of Muslim refugees from ME shitholes. His globalist friends in the EU welcomed the policy and opened their borders to the Muslim trash. Your beloved Obama and the EU wanted those millions of Muslim imports in order to cause chaos and social unrest in Western countries. No one forced the EU to take them, they wanted them.

 

[fncceo]

But anyway, I love the way Trumpsistas ignore the way allies of the US have died for them. Not even so much as a passing acknowledgement disturbs the victimhood driven resentment.

Sorry, who died for me?

 

[cnm]

the illegal invasion of Iraq

If you believe a law has been broken, call a cop.

What good will tits on a bull do me?

 

[cnm]

Sorry, who died for me?

Canadians, Germans, Australians, British, etc., etc...But continue ignoring that.

 

[fncceo]

the illegal invasion of Iraq

If you believe a law has been broken, call a cop.

What good will tits on a bull do me?

So, no laws are broken. You could sit in a corner and cry about it for the rest of your life. Let me know how that works out.

 

[justoffal]

Good, let them do their own shit. Why do we need to be holding their hands all the time?

Most importantly let them pay for their own shit.

Jo

 

[fncceo]

Sorry, who died for me?

Canadians, Germans, Australians, British, etc., etc...But continue ignoring that.

If you're referring to Allies in World War II ... they died fighting valiantly, to defend their own bloody countries -- or in the case of Canadians and Australian (their former colonial masters).

Americans fought to liberate THEIR countries, and the countries of those who didn't life a finger to defend themselves. Not a single Allied soldier fought to liberate US soil.

 

[justoffal]

America first policy is experiencing blowback. Donald Trump is isolating America from its neighbors as well as military allies.

Donald Trump's real motive in America first policy was encouraging higher military spending by allies and more military adventurism by allies and to induce more spending on US manufactured war machines and munitions by allies.

Its not working as the allies are devising their own separate military strategies excluding the US.

"America’s friends are choosing to dissociate themselves, believing their interests are better served without American strength. It seems the rest of the world is losing faith that the U.S. is a reliable partner, sober and taking others’ interests into account as well as its own. The U.S. is ceasing to be a country that its allies come to for help solving problems. On the contrary, America’s allies think the U.S. is the cause of their increasingly tenuous security."

The current Middle East refugee chaos caused by US policy is costing Europe huge amounts of money and social angst.

America's allies are hoping Donald Trump gets run outta town in 2020 elections.

The Bill for America First Is Coming Due

The Bill for America First Is Coming Due
Two of America’s closest treaty allies have announced military efforts explicitly designed to exclude the U.S.
JUL 27, 2019
Kori Schake

In this crowded and enervating week of news, it would have been easy to miss two small but consequential signs of the damage President Donald Trump and his team have done to America’s standing in the world. Two of America’s closest treaty allies have announced military efforts explicitly designed to exclude the United States. Australia is “seeking to cement its status as the security partner of choice for Pacific nations” by establishing an expeditionary training force. And the United Kingdom wants to create a multinational force to ensure freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

It’s not a coincidence that allies are striking out on their own. Countries in the Pacific worry that the U.S. is forcing them to choose between their economic connections to China and their security relationships with the U.S. And while forcing this choice, the U.S. is also publicly calling the security guarantees into question—President Trump did so before arriving in Japan for the G20 summit. Meanwhile, European allies blame Trump-administration tactics for Iran’s decision to lash out at shipping in the Gulf. That’s why British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt stressed that the purpose of the multinational force was to dissociate European governments from U.S. policy toward Iran. Hunt explicitly said, “It will not be part of the U.S. maximum pressure policy on Iran because we remain committed to preserving the Iran nuclear agreement.”

As it happens, these efforts are consistent with Trump’s insistence that allies do more for themselves. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responded to news of the British initiative by saying, “The responsibility … falls to the United Kingdom to take care of their ships.”

The sad reality, however, is that America’s European allies cannot protect their ships without American help. Even the French Foreign Ministry had to admit that any European effort would “naturally have to be co-ordinated with the US on the operational level.” The International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates that it would cost European countries $110 billion to defend freedom of navigation. That is more than the annual defense budgets of Britain and France combined. It isn’t happening anytime soon, regardless of brave talk about “European strategic autonomy.”

Pacific nations, moreover, may not want Australian military training, for fear of antagonizing China when Australian security guarantees are not on offer, and wouldn’t suffice against a threat of China’s magnitude anyway.

An America Firster might not see much to dislike here. In the past 70 years, the U.S. has allowed more and more of the security burden to migrate from allies onto the U.S. Both of this week’s initiatives would relieve some pressure from U.S. forces as the U.S. tries to prioritize its efforts away from the Gulf to manage the China challenge. Both are undertaken by trusted American allies. They may prove to be the harbinger of a more balanced relationship among strong states of the West.

That would be a good outcome for the U.S.—but only if allies were choosing to do more consistent with American interests. They are not. The U.S. had a proposal for maritime patrols in the Gulf that its European allies declined to join. If the U.S. doesn’t act in concert with others, it will have less absolute power.
To take a financial example, European Union countries did not develop a so-called special-purpose vehicle for funding business with Iran to support American efforts—they are building means to circumvent dollar primacy because they object so strenuously to American policy on Iran. The SPV won’t succeed in the near term, but it shows that America’s European allies are so rattled by Trump’s Iran policy and so exasperated by the profligacy of U.S. sanctions that they’re looking to limit American financial power.

America’s friends are choosing to dissociate themselves, believing their interests are better served without American strength. It seems the rest of the world is losing faith that the U.S. is a reliable partner, sober and taking others’ interests into account as well as its own. The U.S. is ceasing to be a country that its allies come to for help solving problems. On the contrary, America’s allies think the U.S. is the cause of their increasingly tenuous security.

The Australian and British initiatives may not succeed. But the very fact of these proposals is proof that relations with close allies have frayed in systemically significant ways. This is what it looks like when the American-led international order comes to an end.

 

[justoffal]

Actually this is exactly the effect that Trump was looking for. Stop depending on the United States for all of your military needs and stand up on your own two feet. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

Jo

 

[Maxdeath]

So you believe that we should increase our national debt so that we can send money overseas? You think that we should send more of our young to die on foreign soil?

I love it. The tears of reactionary victim hood are so sweet. Guess which country is the only one to have called on NATO allies and had them die on its behalf.

In case you need a history lesson it was a mount UN resolution.
It was called a police action not a war.

Guess at how much we spend each year in how many economies maintaining all our bases world wide.
You need to learn the English language.

 

[Maxdeath]

So you believe that we should increase our national debt so that we can send money overseas? You think that we should send more of our young to die on foreign soil? We spent to rebuild Europe and what did we get in return? Germany spends next to nothing in NATO and then wants to buy natural gas from Russia. When we went into Iraq the so called friends that did not want us there were buying oil in spite of a UN embargo.

Are dead Arabs a sustainable resource?

Lol that has to be the dumbest question ever asked. Thanks for giving me a laugh.

 

[Correll]

America first policy is experiencing blowback. Donald Trump is isolating America from its neighbors as well as military allies.

Donald Trump's real motive in America first policy was encouraging higher military spending by allies and more military adventurism by allies and to induce more spending on US manufactured war machines and munitions by allies.

Its not working as the allies are devising their own separate military strategies excluding the US.

"America’s friends are choosing to dissociate themselves, believing their interests are better served without American strength. It seems the rest of the world is losing faith that the U.S. is a reliable partner, sober and taking others’ interests into account as well as its own. The U.S. is ceasing to be a country that its allies come to for help solving problems. On the contrary, America’s allies think the U.S. is the cause of their increasingly tenuous security."

The current Middle East refugee chaos caused by US policy is costing Europe huge amounts of money and social angst.

America's allies are hoping Donald Trump gets run outta town in 2020 elections.

The Bill for America First Is Coming Due

The Bill for America First Is Coming Due
Two of America’s closest treaty allies have announced military efforts explicitly designed to exclude the U.S.
JUL 27, 2019
Kori Schake

In this crowded and enervating week of news, it would have been easy to miss two small but consequential signs of the damage President Donald Trump and his team have done to America’s standing in the world. Two of America’s closest treaty allies have announced military efforts explicitly designed to exclude the United States. Australia is “seeking to cement its status as the security partner of choice for Pacific nations” by establishing an expeditionary training force. And the United Kingdom wants to create a multinational force to ensure freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

It’s not a coincidence that allies are striking out on their own. Countries in the Pacific worry that the U.S. is forcing them to choose between their economic connections to China and their security relationships with the U.S. And while forcing this choice, the U.S. is also publicly calling the security guarantees into question—President Trump did so before arriving in Japan for the G20 summit. Meanwhile, European allies blame Trump-administration tactics for Iran’s decision to lash out at shipping in the Gulf. That’s why British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt stressed that the purpose of the multinational force was to dissociate European governments from U.S. policy toward Iran. Hunt explicitly said, “It will not be part of the U.S. maximum pressure policy on Iran because we remain committed to preserving the Iran nuclear agreement.”

As it happens, these efforts are consistent with Trump’s insistence that allies do more for themselves. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responded to news of the British initiative by saying, “The responsibility … falls to the United Kingdom to take care of their ships.”

The sad reality, however, is that America’s European allies cannot protect their ships without American help. Even the French Foreign Ministry had to admit that any European effort would “naturally have to be co-ordinated with the US on the operational level.” The International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates that it would cost European countries $110 billion to defend freedom of navigation. That is more than the annual defense budgets of Britain and France combined. It isn’t happening anytime soon, regardless of brave talk about “European strategic autonomy.”

Pacific nations, moreover, may not want Australian military training, for fear of antagonizing China when Australian security guarantees are not on offer, and wouldn’t suffice against a threat of China’s magnitude anyway.

An America Firster might not see much to dislike here. In the past 70 years, the U.S. has allowed more and more of the security burden to migrate from allies onto the U.S. Both of this week’s initiatives would relieve some pressure from U.S. forces as the U.S. tries to prioritize its efforts away from the Gulf to manage the China challenge. Both are undertaken by trusted American allies. They may prove to be the harbinger of a more balanced relationship among strong states of the West.

That would be a good outcome for the U.S.—but only if allies were choosing to do more consistent with American interests. They are not. The U.S. had a proposal for maritime patrols in the Gulf that its European allies declined to join. If the U.S. doesn’t act in concert with others, it will have less absolute power.
To take a financial example, European Union countries did not develop a so-called special-purpose vehicle for funding business with Iran to support American efforts—they are building means to circumvent dollar primacy because they object so strenuously to American policy on Iran. The SPV won’t succeed in the near term, but it shows that America’s European allies are so rattled by Trump’s Iran policy and so exasperated by the profligacy of U.S. sanctions that they’re looking to limit American financial power.

America’s friends are choosing to dissociate themselves, believing their interests are better served without American strength. It seems the rest of the world is losing faith that the U.S. is a reliable partner, sober and taking others’ interests into account as well as its own. The U.S. is ceasing to be a country that its allies come to for help solving problems. On the contrary, America’s allies think the U.S. is the cause of their increasingly tenuous security.

The Australian and British initiatives may not succeed. But the very fact of these proposals is proof that relations with close allies have frayed in systemically significant ways. This is what it looks like when the American-led international order comes to an end.

All of those nations are pursuing policies to advance the interests of their nations.


If they are so offended at US doing the same, they are not are allies, and have not been for some time.

 

[Dekster]

America first policy is experiencing blowback. Donald Trump is isolating America from its neighbors as well as military allies.

Donald Trump's real motive in America first policy was encouraging higher military spending by allies and more military adventurism by allies and to induce more spending on US manufactured war machines and munitions by allies.

Its not working as the allies are devising their own separate military strategies excluding the US.

"America’s friends are choosing to dissociate themselves, believing their interests are better served without American strength. It seems the rest of the world is losing faith that the U.S. is a reliable partner, sober and taking others’ interests into account as well as its own. The U.S. is ceasing to be a country that its allies come to for help solving problems. On the contrary, America’s allies think the U.S. is the cause of their increasingly tenuous security."

The current Middle East refugee chaos caused by US policy is costing Europe huge amounts of money and social angst.

America's allies are hoping Donald Trump gets run outta town in 2020 elections.

The Bill for America First Is Coming Due

The Bill for America First Is Coming Due
Two of America’s closest treaty allies have announced military efforts explicitly designed to exclude the U.S.
JUL 27, 2019
Kori Schake

In this crowded and enervating week of news, it would have been easy to miss two small but consequential signs of the damage President Donald Trump and his team have done to America’s standing in the world. Two of America’s closest treaty allies have announced military efforts explicitly designed to exclude the United States. Australia is “seeking to cement its status as the security partner of choice for Pacific nations” by establishing an expeditionary training force. And the United Kingdom wants to create a multinational force to ensure freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

It’s not a coincidence that allies are striking out on their own. Countries in the Pacific worry that the U.S. is forcing them to choose between their economic connections to China and their security relationships with the U.S. And while forcing this choice, the U.S. is also publicly calling the security guarantees into question—President Trump did so before arriving in Japan for the G20 summit. Meanwhile, European allies blame Trump-administration tactics for Iran’s decision to lash out at shipping in the Gulf. That’s why British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt stressed that the purpose of the multinational force was to dissociate European governments from U.S. policy toward Iran. Hunt explicitly said, “It will not be part of the U.S. maximum pressure policy on Iran because we remain committed to preserving the Iran nuclear agreement.”

As it happens, these efforts are consistent with Trump’s insistence that allies do more for themselves. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responded to news of the British initiative by saying, “The responsibility … falls to the United Kingdom to take care of their ships.”

The sad reality, however, is that America’s European allies cannot protect their ships without American help. Even the French Foreign Ministry had to admit that any European effort would “naturally have to be co-ordinated with the US on the operational level.” The International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates that it would cost European countries $110 billion to defend freedom of navigation. That is more than the annual defense budgets of Britain and France combined. It isn’t happening anytime soon, regardless of brave talk about “European strategic autonomy.”

Pacific nations, moreover, may not want Australian military training, for fear of antagonizing China when Australian security guarantees are not on offer, and wouldn’t suffice against a threat of China’s magnitude anyway.

An America Firster might not see much to dislike here. In the past 70 years, the U.S. has allowed more and more of the security burden to migrate from allies onto the U.S. Both of this week’s initiatives would relieve some pressure from U.S. forces as the U.S. tries to prioritize its efforts away from the Gulf to manage the China challenge. Both are undertaken by trusted American allies. They may prove to be the harbinger of a more balanced relationship among strong states of the West.

That would be a good outcome for the U.S.—but only if allies were choosing to do more consistent with American interests. They are not. The U.S. had a proposal for maritime patrols in the Gulf that its European allies declined to join. If the U.S. doesn’t act in concert with others, it will have less absolute power.
To take a financial example, European Union countries did not develop a so-called special-purpose vehicle for funding business with Iran to support American efforts—they are building means to circumvent dollar primacy because they object so strenuously to American policy on Iran. The SPV won’t succeed in the near term, but it shows that America’s European allies are so rattled by Trump’s Iran policy and so exasperated by the profligacy of U.S. sanctions that they’re looking to limit American financial power.

America’s friends are choosing to dissociate themselves, believing their interests are better served without American strength. It seems the rest of the world is losing faith that the U.S. is a reliable partner, sober and taking others’ interests into account as well as its own. The U.S. is ceasing to be a country that its allies come to for help solving problems. On the contrary, America’s allies think the U.S. is the cause of their increasingly tenuous security.

The Australian and British initiatives may not succeed. But the very fact of these proposals is proof that relations with close allies have frayed in systemically significant ways. This is what it looks like when the American-led international order comes to an end.

Wonder how these folks are going to pay for having to fund their own defense for a change.....cut funding for government run healthcare perhaps.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The current refuge problem in Europe has its roots from almost two centuries ago when England, France, Germany, and England, colonized the Middle East and Africa.

To blame the U.S.for the problem is disingenuous and misleading.

So right. Let's factor in everything when Europe admits their refugees have been problematic,
to say the least.
Who forced Germany or Sweden or any other European nation to simply open their borders to millions
of people looking for the life style that Western Europe was dangling in front of their eyes in the form of
welfare inducements?

Certainly not the U.S. The few nations who wouldn't let the EU dictate how many refugees they should let in
are in a much better position than Merkel's Germany..

 

[Third Party]

Good. Our "allies" have not been good to us.

They've only died for you as the only country to have called on NATO support. The bastards.

What??? World War II is over-they only want our money now-they hate Americans.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Canadians, Germans, Australians, British, etc., etc...But continue ignoring that.

Like you ignore all the dead Americans in graveyards in France because we went to Europe to pull their asses out of a war of their own? You really are an ingrate prick with a very short and selective memory.

Go ahead and get all your bitching out, for all the good it does. I hope you feel better as the world goes on exactly as it has before your little tirade started.

Don't call us the next time your nation is being attacked.