The Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act passed a couple days ago

[JoeB131]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

 

[hadit]

So there should be no problem encoding it into law then.

It is encoded into law. Doe. V. Boland eliminated all of these silly arguments about "viability" by stating the doctor can perform an abortion at ANY TIME if he determines it is the best health interest of the mother.

Problem. Fucking. Solved.

Sure, for everybody but the baby. "Best health interest", my big ol' butt. Hey, at least Roe lets states protect late-term babies if they want to.

 

[hadit]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

That's pretty sick, even for a pro-abort.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

Well, THAT is so pitifully ignorant that such, along with the core of it's post history, sets this would-be 'contributor', well below my minimal intellectual threshold, to qualify their positions for consideration.

That said... the above jackass is hereby sentenced to Life In IGNORE!

(Hey... say Hi to the other idiots, will ya?)

TTFE!

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

That's pretty sick, even for a pro-abort.

Which is why I stopped talking to him. He was worth talking to up until he said that and crossed the Maginot Line. All he really wanted to do was divert any discussion away from the bill that threatens to guarantee personhood to all humans, including those he would like to butcher, at birth so it's not a very big loss anyway.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

That's pretty sick, even for a pro-abort.

Which is why I stopped talking to him. He was worth talking to up until he said that and crossed the Maginot Line. ...

He won't be missed. None of them ever are. The Ignore count is now well over 100... a fair percentage of which are now banned.

The simple truth is that there are many people walking around that in a perfect world, would be institutionalized.

The Democrat Party has filled its ranks with these cranks and they're not sufficient intellects to feed themselves, absent "Big Government". So, for them... Big government is life and death. And they defend it without qualification and wholly outside of any sense of reason.

And THAT dear Reader, is how Relativism... is born.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure, for everybody but the baby. "Best health interest", my big ol' butt. Hey, at least Roe lets states protect late-term babies if they want to.

fetuses aren't babies.

Roe allows some restrictions, but most of those restrictions were struck down by the Doe v. Boland decision, issued the same day as Roe v. Wade, which pretty much give the doctor carte blanche. He can abort an 8 month fetus if the woman feels depressed.

Which never really happens. But don't tell that to the anti-Choice fanatics who think that late term abortions make baby Jesus Cry.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, THAT is so pitifully ignorant that such, along with the core of it's post history, sets this would-be 'contributor', well below my minimal intellectual threshold, to qualify their positions for consideration.

That said... the above jackass is hereby sentenced to Life In IGNORE!

(Hey... say Hi to the other idiots, will ya?)

Oh, guy, I know you like to look at your Fetus Porn, but the rest of us live in the real world where we don't want bureaucrats managing our health care.

 

[JoeB131]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

That's pretty sick, even for a pro-abort.

No, that's an accurate description. No one goes into an abortion clinic hoping to walk out with a mangled, genetically defective baby. The walk in expecting to not be pregnant when they walk out.

So the Protection of Medical Waste Act will be aborted before the age of viability, and we will all be better off for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Which is why I stopped talking to him. He was worth talking to up until he said that and crossed the Maginot Line. All he really wanted to do was divert any discussion away from the bill that threatens to guarantee personhood to all humans, including those he would like to butcher, at birth so it's not a very big loss anyway.

Actually, you stopped talking to me when I pointed out you were the kind of trash Bush recruited into the army when normal people stopped enlisting, but never mind.

Now that the war is over, you'll get your Section 8 soon enough.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Oh, guy, I know you like to look at your Fetus Porn, but the rest of us live in the real world where we don't want bureaucrats managing our health care.

That is totally sick. Where do you get these ideas?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Which never really happens. But don't tell that to the anti-Choice fanatics who think that late term abortions make baby Jesus Cry.

They make a lot of people cry.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

If 10,000 babies each year are delivered alive during a late-term abortion or some similar number, they need protection from abuse and not thoughtlessness. Once born, they are people like you and me.

Uh, no, they aren't. They are medical waste that hasn't stopped flopping around.

Of course they are. They are breathing, have feelings, and consciousness. Who are you to deny them even the slightest of dignities? Your twisted opinion doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

It's funny how Sgt Goebbels is still trying to talk to me. I'm going to give him one more opportunity before I begin considering any contact with me by him as harassment.

Anyway, what do the decent people think of the claim that this bill will have a chilling effect on the number of women electing to undergo an abortion, especially in the late term? That seems to be the mainstream argument against it.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Apparently, Canada already has this law and follows it.

Born alive rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The "born alive" rule is a common law legal principle that holds that various criminal laws, such as homicide and assault, apply only to a child that is "born alive". U.S. courts have overturned this rule, citing recent advances in science and medicine... Abortion in Canada is still governed by the born alive rule, as courts continue to hold to its foundational principles.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Apparently, Canada already has this law and follows it.

Born alive rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The "born alive" rule is a common law legal principle that holds that various criminal laws, such as homicide and assault, apply only to a child that is "born alive". U.S. courts have overturned this rule, citing recent advances in science and medicine... Abortion in Canada is still governed by the born alive rule, as courts continue to hold to its foundational principles.

It's a shame their Liberal Party literally forces all of its members to vote pro-abortion. I can't imagine this law surviving the next time they're running the government.

 

[JoeB131]

Apparently, Canada already has this law and follows it.

Born alive rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The "born alive" rule is a common law legal principle that holds that various criminal laws, such as homicide and assault, apply only to a child that is "born alive". U.S. courts have overturned this rule, citing recent advances in science and medicine... Abortion in Canada is still governed by the born alive rule, as courts continue to hold to its foundational principles.

and how many doctors have been prosecuted under it?

Here, let me help you out, because you are kind of not very bright. THis comes from a Canadian anti-Choice blog.

Born Alive and Left to Die

The blog Run with Life has reported that, from 2000 to 2009, 491 babies have been born alive following a failed abortion procedure, and subsequently left to die. And those are only the ones that are recorded by Statistics Canada.

The question that should immediately present itself is, why has there not been 491 homicide investigations or prosecutions in connection with these deaths? Section 223(2) of the Criminal Code (the accompanying subsection to the now infamous subsection that Mr. Woodworth’s motion 312 was examining) reads “A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.” That is to say, anyone who interferes with a pregnancy such that the child dies after it is born alive due to that interference, is guilty of homicide.

So again, why have there been no criminal prosecutions? Why no outcry? And why are the provinces funding this explicitly criminal activity?

 

[JoeB131]

That is totally sick. Where do you get these ideas?

Probably from people like Pedro who like to post pictures of mangled fetuses like that's an argument in this case. It isn't.

They make a lot of people cry.

Yes, and I enjoy the tears of the stupids.

Of course they are. They are breathing, have feelings, and consciousness. Who are you to deny them even the slightest of dignities? Your twisted opinion doesn't matter anyway.

Uh, no, they aren't. They clearly don't have consciouness. It's arguable that fetus doesn't even feel pain until well after the 20th week.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

"The Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act"

...is a 'solution' in search of a 'problem' that doesn't exist.

It's yet another example of Congressional republicans pandering to the base while failing to address the Nation's business, it's yet another example of Congressional republicans' contempt for sound responsible governance, and it's yet another example of the ridiculous social right.

Education is key to removing blinders:

The Abortion Survivors Network - Failed Abortions - Get Informed

Now what are the odds of surviving a late abortion: According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, of the roughly 1.2 million abortions annually in the U.S., about 1.5%, or 18,000, are done after 20 weeks. Using the lower CDC estimate of 400 survivors a year, this means that if you are in utero, and your mother undergoes a late abortion, you have a 1/45 chance of surviving.

1/45 is pretty damned good odds

Odds would be much higher if they abortion attempt had not taken place to start with

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

"The Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act"

...is a 'solution' in search of a 'problem' that doesn't exist.

It's yet another example of Congressional republicans pandering to the base while failing to address the Nation's business, it's yet another example of Congressional republicans' contempt for sound responsible governance, and it's yet another example of the ridiculous social right.

Education is key to removing blinders:

The Abortion Survivors Network - Failed Abortions - Get Informed

Now what are the odds of surviving a late abortion: According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, of the roughly 1.2 million abortions annually in the U.S., about 1.5%, or 18,000, are done after 20 weeks. Using the lower CDC estimate of 400 survivors a year, this means that if you are in utero, and your mother undergoes a late abortion, you have a 1/45 chance of surviving.

1/45 is pretty damned good odds

Odds would be much higher if they abortion attempt had not taken place to start with

Have you ever heard Gianna Jessen speak? I'm not really that fond of her super Christian shit but she's the exact kind of person that needs to be talking about this.