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And Political ideology more times than NOT collides with common sense of the common man. What I destest are those that treat the common man as pawns for political gamemanship...I am more than a pawn, as are you. I am insulted by their practice.It has nothing to do with political ideology...it's simple common sense.
Child/teenage prostitution is illegal because we as a society have decided it should be illegal. We've done so to protect a vulnerable segment of society from harm. We've done so to protect children and teens.
Now take what you want to do with minimum wage law...
You can't seem to comprehend who will end up being hurt by this. In order to "protect" adult members of society who don't have the ambition to move from entry level positions that require few skills to higher paying...higher skilled jobs...you're going to make it harder for teens to get into the job market at the entry level. You're going to artificially inflate wages so that people don't have to progress to improve their lot in life which means more of them staying right where they are. Joblessness amongst black teens is above 40% right now! If you were to pass legislation mandating a $15 an hour minimum wage I can guarantee you that the percentage of teens looking for work and not being able to find it would soar to up above 60% if not higher. So why would you as a progressive WANT to pass legislation that would absolutely destroy the ability of black teens to enter the work force? Do you hate black teens? Or are you just woefully ignorant of what your policy would do to them?
Businesses either need the labor or they don't. You don't hire someone you don't need because you can get him for 7 dollars an hour instead of 9.
Yes, the minimum wage is an issue of conscience and morality. The anti-minimum wagers have been arguing for decades that if the minimum wage were just lower, all sorts of jobs would magically appear.
Well, the fact is, for the thousandth time, the minimum wage PEAKED IN 1968. You've been getting the lower minimum wage you want for 45 years...
...WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
Your argument has already failed. It's a failed argument with no merit. Stop using it.
And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit. When you decrease the opportunity to make a profit then you decrease the number of people willing to risk capital to start or expand a business. If people aren't starting or expanding businesses then there are no new jobs created.
The mistake that progressives like yourself make is that business owners want a low minimum wage because of greed. It's an absurd concept. Business owners understand that labor costs have to remain a certain percentage of gross sales in order for them to make a profit. If you artificially raise the minimum wage you automatically raise the wages of everyone else as well. You can't pay the guy who just started $15 an hour and not pay the guy who's been there for five years the same rate. You would HAVE to give raises across the board. So if you've raised everyone's wages...in order to still make profits then businesses would have to raise prices. But I bet you think prices will magically remain the same...right?
It's progressive thought processes like this that have doomed this Administration to flounder along for five plus years. None of you seem to have the faintest idea how economics or businesses FUNCTION.
Child/teenage prostitution is illegal because we as a society have decided it should be illegal. We've done so to protect a vulnerable segment of society from harm. We've done so to protect children and teens.
Now take what you want to do with minimum wage law...
You can't seem to comprehend who will end up being hurt by this. In order to "protect" adult members of society who don't have the ambition to move from entry level positions that require few skills to higher paying...higher skilled jobs...you're going to make it harder for teens to get into the job market at the entry level. You're going to artificially inflate wages so that people don't have to progress to improve their lot in life which means more of them staying right where they are. Joblessness amongst black teens is above 40% right now! If you were to pass legislation mandating a $15 an hour minimum wage I can guarantee you that the percentage of teens looking for work and not being able to find it would soar to up above 60% if not higher. So why would you as a progressive WANT to pass legislation that would absolutely destroy the ability of black teens to enter the work force? Do you hate black teens? Or are you just woefully ignorant of what your policy would do to them?
Businesses either need the labor or they don't. You don't hire someone you don't need because you can get him for 7 dollars an hour instead of 9.
Yes, the minimum wage is an issue of conscience and morality. The anti-minimum wagers have been arguing for decades that if the minimum wage were just lower, all sorts of jobs would magically appear.
Well, the fact is, for the thousandth time, the minimum wage PEAKED IN 1968. You've been getting the lower minimum wage you want for 45 years...
...WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
Your argument has already failed. It's a failed argument with no merit. Stop using it.
And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit. When you decrease the opportunity to make a profit then you decrease the number of people willing to risk capital to start or expand a business. If people aren't starting or expanding businesses then there are no new jobs created.
The mistake that progressives like yourself make is that business owners want a low minimum wage because of greed. It's an absurd concept. Business owners understand that labor costs have to remain a certain percentage of gross sales in order for them to make a profit. If you artificially raise the minimum wage you automatically raise the wages of everyone else as well. You can't pay the guy who just started $15 an hour and not pay the guy who's been there for five years the same rate. You would HAVE to give raises across the board. So if you've raised everyone's wages...in order to still make profits then businesses would have to raise prices. But I bet you think prices will magically remain the same...right?
It's progressive thought processes like this that have doomed this Administration to flounder along for five plus years. None of you seem to have the faintest idea how economics or businesses FUNCTION.
Really Dogsqueeze?Businesses either need the labor or they don't. You don't hire someone you don't need because you can get him for 7 dollars an hour instead of 9.
Yes, the minimum wage is an issue of conscience and morality. The anti-minimum wagers have been arguing for decades that if the minimum wage were just lower, all sorts of jobs would magically appear.
Well, the fact is, for the thousandth time, the minimum wage PEAKED IN 1968. You've been getting the lower minimum wage you want for 45 years...
...WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
Your argument has already failed. It's a failed argument with no merit. Stop using it.
And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit. When you decrease the opportunity to make a profit then you decrease the number of people willing to risk capital to start or expand a business. If people aren't starting or expanding businesses then there are no new jobs created.
The mistake that progressives like yourself make is that business owners want a low minimum wage because of greed. It's an absurd concept. Business owners understand that labor costs have to remain a certain percentage of gross sales in order for them to make a profit. If you artificially raise the minimum wage you automatically raise the wages of everyone else as well. You can't pay the guy who just started $15 an hour and not pay the guy who's been there for five years the same rate. You would HAVE to give raises across the board. So if you've raised everyone's wages...in order to still make profits then businesses would have to raise prices. But I bet you think prices will magically remain the same...right?
It's progressive thought processes like this that have doomed this Administration to flounder along for five plus years. None of you seem to have the faintest idea how economics or businesses FUNCTION.
Don't try to make me defend points I never made, as much as that might help you dodge the points I did make.
The Poster YOU address:Businesses either need the labor or they don't. You don't hire someone you don't need because you can get him for 7 dollars an hour instead of 9.
Yes, the minimum wage is an issue of conscience and morality
Hmmm...putting WORDS in yer mouth Carbonated? Really?And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit.
The left wants minimum-wage to be the standard.
We'll have a new workforce that is based on part-time jobs that pay minimum-wage and the price of goods and services sky-rockets and many of us will have to hold down 2,3, & 4 jobs just to pay our bills. Then we'll have to cut back on everything, TV, cell-phones, Heating and AC, buying a car, eating out, going to the movies, and we'll have everything made in another country and we'll become Greece.
Here's Obama's idea of a good economy; "Those pipeline jobs are only temporary.( We need more permanent jobs like flipping burgers). "
Businesses either need the labor or they don't. You don't hire someone you don't need because you can get him for 7 dollars an hour instead of 9.
Yes, the minimum wage is an issue of conscience and morality. The anti-minimum wagers have been arguing for decades that if the minimum wage were just lower, all sorts of jobs would magically appear.
Well, the fact is, for the thousandth time, the minimum wage PEAKED IN 1968. You've been getting the lower minimum wage you want for 45 years...
...WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
Your argument has already failed. It's a failed argument with no merit. Stop using it.
And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit. When you decrease the opportunity to make a profit then you decrease the number of people willing to risk capital to start or expand a business. If people aren't starting or expanding businesses then there are no new jobs created.
The mistake that progressives like yourself make is that business owners want a low minimum wage because of greed. It's an absurd concept. Business owners understand that labor costs have to remain a certain percentage of gross sales in order for them to make a profit. If you artificially raise the minimum wage you automatically raise the wages of everyone else as well. You can't pay the guy who just started $15 an hour and not pay the guy who's been there for five years the same rate. You would HAVE to give raises across the board. So if you've raised everyone's wages...in order to still make profits then businesses would have to raise prices. But I bet you think prices will magically remain the same...right?
It's progressive thought processes like this that have doomed this Administration to flounder along for five plus years. None of you seem to have the faintest idea how economics or businesses FUNCTION.
I agree that businesses hire people based upon the expectation of making a profit. However you are overlooking the Henry Ford factor. As an entrepreneur Ford understood that if he wanted more people to buy his cars he needed a customer base who could afford them. If he continued to pay the going rate he would be competing with everyone else for the same small market of wealthy people who could afford cars. Ford realized that if he was going to make an affordable car for the masses the masses needed wages that made it affordable for them to buy his cars. Hence he raised the wages of his workers. Yes, this did cause wage inflation for other corporations but that was only temporary. The higher wages that he paid out came back in the reward of substantially higher profits and a significantly bigger share of the market.
The same math applies to the minimum wage. Their increased wages and not going to be invested in stocks or long term treasury bonds. Instead they are going to spend every penny of them because they are currently struggling to just make ends meet. This tiny influx of higher wages for the 3% of the workforce who make minimum wage is going to result in increased demand for goods and services. The wage inflation on the immediate rungs above will also be recycled straight back into the consumer goods market.
So the short term pain will result in a better economy and bigger profits across the board. History has taught us that the long term gains will outweigh the short term pain.
Businesses either need the labor or they don't. You don't hire someone you don't need because you can get him for 7 dollars an hour instead of 9.
Yes, the minimum wage is an issue of conscience and morality. The anti-minimum wagers have been arguing for decades that if the minimum wage were just lower, all sorts of jobs would magically appear.
Well, the fact is, for the thousandth time, the minimum wage PEAKED IN 1968. You've been getting the lower minimum wage you want for 45 years...
...WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
Your argument has already failed. It's a failed argument with no merit. Stop using it.
And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit. When you decrease the opportunity to make a profit then you decrease the number of people willing to risk capital to start or expand a business. If people aren't starting or expanding businesses then there are no new jobs created.
The mistake that progressives like yourself make is that business owners want a low minimum wage because of greed. It's an absurd concept. Business owners understand that labor costs have to remain a certain percentage of gross sales in order for them to make a profit. If you artificially raise the minimum wage you automatically raise the wages of everyone else as well. You can't pay the guy who just started $15 an hour and not pay the guy who's been there for five years the same rate. You would HAVE to give raises across the board. So if you've raised everyone's wages...in order to still make profits then businesses would have to raise prices. But I bet you think prices will magically remain the same...right?
It's progressive thought processes like this that have doomed this Administration to flounder along for five plus years. None of you seem to have the faintest idea how economics or businesses FUNCTION.
I agree that businesses hire people based upon the expectation of making a profit. However you are overlooking the Henry Ford factor. As an entrepreneur Ford understood that if he wanted more people to buy his cars he needed a customer base who could afford them. If he continued to pay the going rate he would be competing with everyone else for the same small market of wealthy people who could afford cars. Ford realized that if he was going to make an affordable car for the masses the masses needed wages that made it affordable for them to buy his cars. Hence he raised the wages of his workers. Yes, this did cause wage inflation for other corporations but that was only temporary. The higher wages that he paid out came back in the reward of substantially higher profits and a significantly bigger share of the market.
The same math applies to the minimum wage. Their increased wages and not going to be invested in stocks or long term treasury bonds. Instead they are going to spend every penny of them because they are currently struggling to just make ends meet. This tiny influx of higher wages for the 3% of the workforce who make minimum wage is going to result in increased demand for goods and services. The wage inflation on the immediate rungs above will also be recycled straight back into the consumer goods market.
So the short term pain will result in a better economy and bigger profits across the board. History has taught us that the long term gains will outweigh the short term pain.
And you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs? You base that on what? Because you mistakenly think that business owners HAVE to hire people no matter what the labor cost is? Here's a dose of reality for you...businesses are created or expanded because of the anticipation of profit. When you decrease the opportunity to make a profit then you decrease the number of people willing to risk capital to start or expand a business. If people aren't starting or expanding businesses then there are no new jobs created.
The mistake that progressives like yourself make is that business owners want a low minimum wage because of greed. It's an absurd concept. Business owners understand that labor costs have to remain a certain percentage of gross sales in order for them to make a profit. If you artificially raise the minimum wage you automatically raise the wages of everyone else as well. You can't pay the guy who just started $15 an hour and not pay the guy who's been there for five years the same rate. You would HAVE to give raises across the board. So if you've raised everyone's wages...in order to still make profits then businesses would have to raise prices. But I bet you think prices will magically remain the same...right?
It's progressive thought processes like this that have doomed this Administration to flounder along for five plus years. None of you seem to have the faintest idea how economics or businesses FUNCTION.
I agree that businesses hire people based upon the expectation of making a profit. However you are overlooking the Henry Ford factor. As an entrepreneur Ford understood that if he wanted more people to buy his cars he needed a customer base who could afford them. If he continued to pay the going rate he would be competing with everyone else for the same small market of wealthy people who could afford cars. Ford realized that if he was going to make an affordable car for the masses the masses needed wages that made it affordable for them to buy his cars. Hence he raised the wages of his workers. Yes, this did cause wage inflation for other corporations but that was only temporary. The higher wages that he paid out came back in the reward of substantially higher profits and a significantly bigger share of the market.
The same math applies to the minimum wage. Their increased wages and not going to be invested in stocks or long term treasury bonds. Instead they are going to spend every penny of them because they are currently struggling to just make ends meet. This tiny influx of higher wages for the 3% of the workforce who make minimum wage is going to result in increased demand for goods and services. The wage inflation on the immediate rungs above will also be recycled straight back into the consumer goods market.
So the short term pain will result in a better economy and bigger profits across the board. History has taught us that the long term gains will outweigh the short term pain.
And your notion that this will only effect 3% of the workforce is naive in the extreme and here's why!
If you were promoted from a minimum wage job to say a job that paid $10 an hour...what would your immediate reaction be to someone who just started making more than you? Well of course you'd expect a raise! But not to the minimum...you're more skilled than the person making the minimum...oh, no...you'd expect to be paid the same amount MORE than the person making minimum...just as you were before.
So common sense tells you that you AREN'T just giving a raise to 3% of the workforce...you are in fact going to be giving a raise to the entire workforce.
If you make minimum wage you are doing the job a high school kid should be doing.
A high school kid should be in school.
The purpose of a minimum wage is to keep business from exploiting labor. Business has no conscience; it has to be imposed on business by those who do.
Sigh...it has NOTHING to do with "conscience", Carbineer. A free market economy sets the rate for what a job is worth just as a free market sets the price of what a burger is worth.
What people like you seem unable to grasp is that minimum wage jobs are by and large entry level jobs...jobs that people take who don't have marketable job skills or histories. They are not and should not be...jobs that one takes for a life time to support a family. I'm sorry but this notion that because you can't support yourself at a middle class level on an entry level job that it's "unfair" is ludicrous.
And for those of you out there that think The Daily Show is be all and end all for getting your news? If that IS where you're getting your news from then you are one ignorant person!
And back then the minimum wage was higher than it is now.
irrelevant.
Only 3% of all earners make less than the federal minimum wage and some of those are food service workers who receive tips that can put them well over the FMW.
So can you tell me what you're really whining about here?
It's relevant and the fact you're too stupid to know that is a problem I can't fix.
The other poster said all minimum wage jobs should be done by high school kids.
If fast food restaurants are paying minimum wage, all those jobs should be done by high school kids??
lol, last time I looked, every fast food joint around here was open Monday thru Friday during normal school hours...
...how do you propose to fill those jobs with high school kids??
Like I said, high school kids should be in school. Not missing school to serve lunch at MacDonald's.
It's disgraceful what kind of a country you people want America to be.
What are you senile? you do know kids get off in summer.
Are the fast food restaurants and every other minimum wage employer only open in the summer where you live?
What are you senile? you do know kids get off in summer.
Are the fast food restaurants and every other minimum wage employer only open in the summer where you live?
They are open after school aren't they?
As I said I managed to work 38 hours a week while in high school. I worked 60 or more during the summer.
And even as a teenager I didn't make minimum wage for long.
Are the fast food restaurants and every other minimum wage employer only open in the summer where you live?
They are open after school aren't they?
As I said I managed to work 38 hours a week while in high school. I worked 60 or more during the summer.
And even as a teenager I didn't make minimum wage for long.
After this job in Hamilton, I went for the big money as a kid.....
tobacco land
GOLD at the time
Then I got into rock and well history is wonderful and I finally found out I didn't have to kill myself to make money.
irrelevant.
Only 3% of all earners make less than the federal minimum wage and some of those are food service workers who receive tips that can put them well over the FMW.
So can you tell me what you're really whining about here?
It's relevant and the fact you're too stupid to know that is a problem I can't fix.
you're whining about less than 3 % of peopl who make federal minimum wage because it hasn't kept up with inflation?
Yeah that's a cause to get behind I guess.
It's irrelevant because 97% of people already make more than the minimum wage
If you can't see that then you might want to reconsider who you call stupid.
It's relevant and the fact you're too stupid to know that is a problem I can't fix.
you're whining about less than 3 % of peopl who make federal minimum wage because it hasn't kept up with inflation?
Yeah that's a cause to get behind I guess.
It's irrelevant because 97% of people already make more than the minimum wage
If you can't see that then you might want to reconsider who you call stupid.
Are you guys really this stupid?
Only 3% of people make mininum wage, but 20% of workers are within a few dollars of minimum wage.
If minimum wage is raised, those people's wages would be raised too.
Having a depressed minimum wage depresses wages for all low payed workers.
Sheesh!
It's relevant and the fact you're too stupid to know that is a problem I can't fix.
you're whining about less than 3 % of peopl who make federal minimum wage because it hasn't kept up with inflation?
Yeah that's a cause to get behind I guess.
It's irrelevant because 97% of people already make more than the minimum wage
If you can't see that then you might want to reconsider who you call stupid.
Are you guys really this stupid?
Only 3% of people make mininum wage, but 20% of workers are within a few dollars of minimum wage.
If minimum wage is raised, those people's wages would be raised too.
Having a depressed minimum wage depresses wages for all low payed workers.
Sheesh!
What are you senile? you do know kids get off in summer.
Are the fast food restaurants and every other minimum wage employer only open in the summer where you live?
They are open after school aren't they?
As I said I managed to work 38 hours a week while in high school. I worked 60 or more during the summer.
And even as a teenager I didn't make minimum wage for long.
It's relevant and the fact you're too stupid to know that is a problem I can't fix.
you're whining about less than 3 % of peopl who make federal minimum wage because it hasn't kept up with inflation?
Yeah that's a cause to get behind I guess.
It's irrelevant because 97% of people already make more than the minimum wage
If you can't see that then you might want to reconsider who you call stupid.
Are you guys really this stupid?
Only 3% of people make minimum wage, but 20% of workers are within a few dollars of minimum wage.
If minimum wage is raised, those people's wages would be raised too.
Having a depressed minimum wage depresses wages for all low payed workers.
Sheesh!