The Death Penalty is an example of Conservative Hypocrisy

[theDoctorisIn]

There are few things about this country that frighten me as much as the idea of the private prison lobby.

 

[Wyatt earp]

There are few things about this country that frighten me as much as the idea of the private prison lobby.

Yup, everything I read about it and know. Its scary stuff. judges being paid off to throw people in jail, or have to meet quotas [spl?] to keep on getting government funding?.... thats not what we are about.

 

[LittleNipper]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

I take the conservative Biblical approach:
Deuteronomy 19:15 ►

New International Version
One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

If you have 2 witnesses who say he did it and his DNA is all over the scene then the murderer needs to be executed after a trial conviction of his peers.

 

[hortysir]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

Juries convict

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

The average conservative supports the death penalty so much that they'd rather innocent men be executed than the death penalty be done away with for good.

And yes, their belief that government is mistake-prone and too incompetent to be trusted except when carrying out an execution, when government suddenly becomes infallible, is laughable. Conservatism is laughable.

Broad bush much?

 

[Erand7899]

[/Quote} Perhaps you should research a bit more..

Yes... government does much inefficiently and conservatives want less government because it has grown beyond what it is supposed to be...

Competence is not the biggest problem in government.. and your blatant twist to what conservatives champion pretty much leads to the conclusion that you are just the latest in line coming to boards to spout off crap without any true understanding of what you are saying.. you have a preconceived agenda that is quite obvious

What it seems you are doubting more is the science that others like you claim to be infallible in other areas (let's just throw global warming into the fray as an example of that)... For it is generally the scientific evidence that lands someone on death row.. you simply are not going to get a death sentence without proven DNA evidence at this point

#####################

What exactly have I twisted?

The science of criminology is not infallible. There is always some doubt. DNA can get contaminated for example. Corrupt criminologists can even fake DNA evidence as occurred in Texas a few years back.[/QUOTE]

There is not always some doubt about guilt. And, yes the science of criminology is nat infallible, and can easily be corrupted, just like any other science. However, the corruption in our criminal justice system is caused more by lawyers and judges than by corrupt or incompetent technicians.

A trial is supposed to be a search for the truth, not a game to see whether the prosecutor or the the defense attorney is the better trial lawyer.

"Better ten guilty men go free, than one innocent man be convicted." is the basis of our criminal justice system, and still mistakes are made. However, we know of no better system, and have to live with the one we have.

Anyone who deliberately, and with forethought, deprives a person of his/her life, should forfeit his/her own life. Self defense should be the only out.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

States With and Without the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

STATES WITH THE DEATH PENALTY (32)

Other State Information:

State by State Information
Summary of State Statutes
Execution Information
Sentencing Information
Clemency Process by State
Murder Rates by State

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

ALSO
- U.S. Gov't
- U.S. Military
STATES WITHOUT THE DEATH PENALTY (18) (YEAR ABOLISHED IN PARENTHESES)
Alaska (1957)
Connecticut** (2012)
Hawaii (1957)
Illinois (2011)
Iowa (1965)
Maine (1887)
Maryland*** (2013)
Massachusetts (1984) Michigan (1846)
Minnesota (1911)
New Jersey (2007)
New Mexico* (2009)
New York (2007)#
North Dakota (1973)
Rhode Island (1984)^
Vermont (1964)


Seems an even mix. Just showing that to illustrate how ignorant you are. But being a liberal, these facts are of no concern.


Chicago has an increasing murder rate, it started increasing after they rid themselves of the DP.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Wow, this has got to be the front-runner for Fail Post of the Year.

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent.

We don't say that we don't believe in government, we say that government should be limited.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

the government doesn't sentence people to death, juries and judges do.



There is no hypocrisy to reconcile, you're just a dumbass.



See above.

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Wow, from strawman to hyperbole in record time!

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

No death sentence is based solely on confessions. There is motive, physical and circimstantial evidence as well.

You're not too bright are you. Probably why you're a liberal. Most liberals are quite ignorant.

You're wrong. I've read plenty of editorials from conservative pundits who exactly state that they "don't believe in government."

It's is the government that arrests, prosecutes, and administers suspects. Judges are part of the government.

Wrong again about confessions. Oftentimes people are convicted solely on confessions and the evidence is made to fit the crime.

I bet I'm brighter and more informed than you.

From strawman to hyperbole? What? Please explain.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Juries convict murders and determine death sentences. The government merely carries out the sentence. Comprende?

But the suspect is arrested and prosecuted by the government and the case is administered by the government.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

You are making the false assumption that a zygote is the equivalent of a human being. That is illogical.

No, denying humanity to the unborn is illogical.

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

STATES WITH THE DEATH PENALTY (32)

Other State Information:

State by State Information
Summary of State Statutes
Execution Information
Sentencing Information
Clemency Process by State
Murder Rates by State

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

ALSO
- U.S. Gov't
- U.S. Military
STATES WITHOUT THE DEATH PENALTY (18) (YEAR ABOLISHED IN PARENTHESES)
Alaska (1957)
Connecticut** (2012)
Hawaii (1957)
Illinois (2011)
Iowa (1965)
Maine (1887)
Maryland*** (2013)
Massachusetts (1984) Michigan (1846)
Minnesota (1911)
New Jersey (2007)
New Mexico* (2009)
New York (2007)#
North Dakota (1973)
Rhode Island (1984)^
Vermont (1964)


Seems an even mix. Just showing that to illustrate how ignorant you are. But being a liberal, these facts are of no concern.


Chicago has an increasing murder rate, it started increasing after they rid themselves of the DP.

What do these statistics have to do with my point?

How do they make me ignorant?

 

[mudwhistle]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

It's not your business if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant.

So you're saying it's the baby's fault his mother is a skeazy slut who won't make her boyfriend wear a rubber?

 

[DiamondDave]

You are making the false assumption that a zygote is the equivalent of a human being. That is illogical.

No, denying humanity to the unborn is illogical.

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.

So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.

I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc

 

[mudwhistle]

You are making the false assumption that a zygote is the equivalent of a human being. That is illogical.

No, denying humanity to the unborn is illogical.

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

How can you kill something that's dead? Abortion is the killing of a living human-being, not a dead one.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

STATES WITH THE DEATH PENALTY (32)

Other State Information:

State by State Information
Summary of State Statutes
Execution Information
Sentencing Information
Clemency Process by State
Murder Rates by State

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

ALSO
- U.S. Gov't
- U.S. Military
STATES WITHOUT THE DEATH PENALTY (18) (YEAR ABOLISHED IN PARENTHESES)
Alaska (1957)
Connecticut** (2012)
Hawaii (1957)
Illinois (2011)
Iowa (1965)
Maine (1887)
Maryland*** (2013)
Massachusetts (1984) Michigan (1846)
Minnesota (1911)
New Jersey (2007)
New Mexico* (2009)
New York (2007)#
North Dakota (1973)
Rhode Island (1984)^
Vermont (1964)


Seems an even mix. Just showing that to illustrate how ignorant you are. But being a liberal, these facts are of no concern.


Chicago has an increasing murder rate, it started increasing after they rid themselves of the DP.

What do these statistics have to do with my point?

How do they make me ignorant?

By thinking only Republicans support the death penalty.

Who Supports the Death Penalty?

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, denying humanity to the unborn is illogical.

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

How can you kill something that's dead? Abortion is the killing of a living human-being, not a dead one.

Did Smilo just say that out loud? As early as 8 weeks the heart begins to beat.. so therefore to say that being unborn means to not be alive, is like saying a car isn't a car unless it's on the road.

What a hoot!

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

No, denying humanity to the unborn is illogical.

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.

So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.

I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc

Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.

Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

STATES WITH THE DEATH PENALTY (32)

Other State Information:

State by State Information
Summary of State Statutes
Execution Information
Sentencing Information
Clemency Process by State
Murder Rates by State

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

ALSO
- U.S. Gov't
- U.S. Military
STATES WITHOUT THE DEATH PENALTY (18) (YEAR ABOLISHED IN PARENTHESES)
Alaska (1957)
Connecticut** (2012)
Hawaii (1957)
Illinois (2011)
Iowa (1965)
Maine (1887)
Maryland*** (2013)
Massachusetts (1984) Michigan (1846)
Minnesota (1911)
New Jersey (2007)
New Mexico* (2009)
New York (2007)#
North Dakota (1973)
Rhode Island (1984)^
Vermont (1964)


Seems an even mix. Just showing that to illustrate how ignorant you are. But being a liberal, these facts are of no concern.


Chicago has an increasing murder rate, it started increasing after they rid themselves of the DP.

What do these statistics have to do with my point?

How do they make me ignorant?

By thinking only Republicans support the death penalty.

Who Supports the Death Penalty?

Still doesn't explain what it has to do with my point.

The overwhelming majority of conservatives support the death penalty.

 

[DiamondDave]

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.

So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.

I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc

Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.

Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.

Wrong.... period...

There is not brain activity until it comes out?? Are you insane or something??? This is 100% absolutely and unequivocally incorrect...

You, sir, are an idiot

 

[Meathead]

Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.

Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.

And yet you appear to be able to read and write, so maybe you can be alive without having the ability to think.

 

[mudwhistle]

You have to be born to be alive. Therefore, unborn=not alive.

How can you kill something that is not alive?

How can you kill something that's dead? Abortion is the killing of a living human-being, not a dead one.

Did Smilo just say that out loud? As early as 8 weeks the heart begins to beat.. so therefore to say that being unborn means to not be alive, is like saying a car isn't a car unless it's on the road.

What a hoot!

Abortion is murder. They are fooling themselves into believing it's not.