The definitive guide to the 2nd Amendment

[Brain357]

Guns are tough on our law enforcement. Here's more:
Officer, 26, killed in Henry County shooting; suspect identified
Texas police officer killed, suspect in custody after standoff

4 killed in about 4 days. Countries with strong gun control don't have this problem...

Dead law enforcement is just another way guns increase crime.

 

[danielpalos]

The legislature is responsible. Why enact socialized gun laws instead of wellness of regulation of militia laws?

 

[2aguy]

demographics accounts for that.

high population States tend to have more social issues simply due to the law of large numbers.

Which is why murder stats are given as a ratio and are not reported in absolute numbers.
Ratios take population density into account.

So a state with 3 million people can have a murder rate of 3 per 100000 and a state with 1 million can have the same rate but have less total murders.

But a state with 3 million people can have a lower murder rate than a state with 1 million or vice versa

It is the murder RATE that is important not the number of total murders

Or don't you understand that?

How does what you claim about gun control apply to a list of States by homicide rate?

List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia

And again...law abiding gun owners, who also carry their guns, are not the ones using guns for crime or murder...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

it didn't go down naturally but artificially due to stricter gun control laws.

With concealed carry at its highest ever, look what happened.
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

That has nothing to do with Americans owning guns....that has everything to do with demcorats making it their mission to destroy the police....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are tough on our law enforcement. Here's more:
Officer, 26, killed in Henry County shooting; suspect identified
Texas police officer killed, suspect in custody after standoff

4 killed in about 4 days. Countries with strong gun control don't have this problem...

Dead law enforcement is just another way guns increase crime.

No...American criminals are tough on our law enforcement.....if you want fewer police deaths import criminals from Japan...

of course....in order to keep them less homicidal...you would have to import Japanese culture, and Japanese police and prosecution practices......stop and frisk for any reason, any where against anyone the police want....and allow the prosecution to get a 98% conviction rate against all arrestees....

 

[2aguy]

Guns are tough on our law enforcement. Here's more:
Officer, 26, killed in Henry County shooting; suspect identified
Texas police officer killed, suspect in custody after standoff

4 killed in about 4 days. Countries with strong gun control don't have this problem...

Dead law enforcement is just another way guns increase crime.

No...American criminals are tough on our law enforcement.....if you want fewer police deaths import criminals from Japan...

The poltical control of those cities is democrat....for decades if not longer......the cities with the highest murder rates are all run by democrats......even in Red states...

San Diego has a 7.7 murder rate.run by a primarily Democratic government and Mayor.
Waco, Tx has a 16.74 rate with a primarily Republican Government and Mayor

Waco Tx is one of the highest murder rate in the nation and it's a major city. It's equal to Chicao and we know how bad it is there.

Let's take a look at Kansas for a bit. It's in up to it's ears financially and it's a sold red state. I think the reason that the Dems have twice the number of Mayors as the Republicans is that the Republican has even worse problems running a City as the Democrats. I can understand why. Most Republicans come for the Corporate world. And you can't run a City the way you have to run a Corporation. For one, it will go into the red so quickly iti will boggle your mind. Second, if you try and run a government the way you run a corporation you will end up in prison.

No...moron....Waco had 4 murders......total......San Diego 32......moron......

Democrats run these cities into the ground but keep power by giving things away.....

Here is a real comparison....

Houston.....open and concealed carry....gun stores on every corner....in a state that has a border with the Narco state of Mexico....

Baltimore....as far from the border as you can get.....extreme gun control laws......

Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

Both Houston and Baltimore are way too high for it's population. So is Chicago. NYC and LA actually have a lower percentage of murder rate than Houston does. Using Houston as an example shows that not ALL high crime rate areas are controlled by Democrats. Funny, both of used to Texas major Cities as bad examples to your claim. Hmmm, I wonder.

Yes....hide from the fact that the cities with extreme gun control all have higher gun crime rates...except LA where they are actually dealing with criminals.....New York will be on the wrong side even more as they abandon Rudy Guiliani's police techniques...the Republican Mayor who cleaned up New York city.....

NYC is sticking to strong gun control and doing very well.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/nyc-crime-continues-to-plummet-in-2018/

No...Rudy Guiliani started the practice of actuallly arresting criminals...which they have kept doing till this left wing socialist got into office....they are reaping the rewards of targeting criminals....their gun control laws had nothing to do with it...

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

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The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

 

[2aguy]

you don't even read the articles you post do you?

"Chicago accounted for more than 20% of the nationwide murder increase in 2016, despite being home to less than 1% of the U.S. population,"

So your "strong gun control" bastion of Chicago accounted for the single largest increase in the national murder rate

Chicago has concealed carry. Hardly strong gun control.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

Notice that he is a criminal...not a law abiding citizen.......the law abiding gun owners aren't the ones shooting people.....

 

[danielpalos]

Which is why murder stats are given as a ratio and are not reported in absolute numbers.
Ratios take population density into account.

So a state with 3 million people can have a murder rate of 3 per 100000 and a state with 1 million can have the same rate but have less total murders.

But a state with 3 million people can have a lower murder rate than a state with 1 million or vice versa

It is the murder RATE that is important not the number of total murders

Or don't you understand that?

How does what you claim about gun control apply to a list of States by homicide rate?

List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia

And again...law abiding gun owners, who also carry their guns, are not the ones using guns for crime or murder...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

it didn't go down naturally but artificially due to stricter gun control laws.

With concealed carry at its highest ever, look what happened.
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

That has nothing to do with Americans owning guns....that has everything to do with demcorats making it their mission to destroy the police....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

How credible does the right wing want to be?

The legislature is responsible for organizing the militia.

They don't have to socialize gun control any more than they have to.

 

[Skull Pilot]

you don't even read the articles you post do you?

"Chicago accounted for more than 20% of the nationwide murder increase in 2016, despite being home to less than 1% of the U.S. population,"

So your "strong gun control" bastion of Chicago accounted for the single largest increase in the national murder rate

Chicago has concealed carry. Hardly strong gun control.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

once again you don't read your own links

WI does not issue CCW permits to convicted felons

Sorry but a misdemeanor is not a felony

 

[Skull Pilot]

you don't even read the articles you post do you?

"Chicago accounted for more than 20% of the nationwide murder increase in 2016, despite being home to less than 1% of the U.S. population,"

So your "strong gun control" bastion of Chicago accounted for the single largest increase in the national murder rate

Chicago has concealed carry. Hardly strong gun control.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

So what? No restriction is ever going to be 100% effective.

 

[Brain357]

Which is why murder stats are given as a ratio and are not reported in absolute numbers.
Ratios take population density into account.

So a state with 3 million people can have a murder rate of 3 per 100000 and a state with 1 million can have the same rate but have less total murders.

But a state with 3 million people can have a lower murder rate than a state with 1 million or vice versa

It is the murder RATE that is important not the number of total murders

Or don't you understand that?

How does what you claim about gun control apply to a list of States by homicide rate?

List of U.S. states by homicide rate - Wikipedia

And again...law abiding gun owners, who also carry their guns, are not the ones using guns for crime or murder...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

it didn't go down naturally but artificially due to stricter gun control laws.

With concealed carry at its highest ever, look what happened.
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

That has nothing to do with Americans owning guns....that has everything to do with demcorats making it their mission to destroy the police....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Our police shoot dramatically more people than police in other countries. This is because we have too many guns. And all these police shootings are why we had ferguson.

 

[Brain357]

Guns are tough on our law enforcement. Here's more:
Officer, 26, killed in Henry County shooting; suspect identified
Texas police officer killed, suspect in custody after standoff

4 killed in about 4 days. Countries with strong gun control don't have this problem...

Dead law enforcement is just another way guns increase crime.

No...American criminals are tough on our law enforcement.....if you want fewer police deaths import criminals from Japan...

of course....in order to keep them less homicidal...you would have to import Japanese culture, and Japanese police and prosecution practices......stop and frisk for any reason, any where against anyone the police want....and allow the prosecution to get a 98% conviction rate against all arrestees....

No country with strong gun control loses police like we do. FACT!

 

[Brain357]

Chicago has concealed carry. Hardly strong gun control.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

So what? No restriction is ever going to be 100% effective.

So you are good with criminals legally armed. I guess that is why so many law enforcement die. Thanks gun culture.

 

[Brain357]

Chicago has concealed carry. Hardly strong gun control.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

once again you don't read your own links

WI does not issue CCW permits to convicted felons

Sorry but a misdemeanor is not a felony

Yes I did read my own link. Did you see the part about how this legally armed guy shot and killed somebody during a drug deal gone bad? Thats a person you want running around with a gun?

The shooter has a long rap sheet. He once shot himself in the foot playing Russian roulette in Shorewood, and blamed three black men. He carried a concealed weapon before it was legal. And he later threatened a man with his gun while drunk. But because all his convictions are misdemeanors, he still qualified for a concealed-carry license.

 

[Brain357]

Chicago has concealed carry. Hardly strong gun control.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

Notice that he is a criminal...not a law abiding citizen.......the law abiding gun owners aren't the ones shooting people.....

He is one of your legal concealed carry guys.

 

[Brain357]

Guns are tough on our law enforcement. Here's more:
Officer, 26, killed in Henry County shooting; suspect identified
Texas police officer killed, suspect in custody after standoff

4 killed in about 4 days. Countries with strong gun control don't have this problem...

Dead law enforcement is just another way guns increase crime.

No...American criminals are tough on our law enforcement.....if you want fewer police deaths import criminals from Japan...

San Diego has a 7.7 murder rate.run by a primarily Democratic government and Mayor.
Waco, Tx has a 16.74 rate with a primarily Republican Government and Mayor

Waco Tx is one of the highest murder rate in the nation and it's a major city. It's equal to Chicao and we know how bad it is there.

Let's take a look at Kansas for a bit. It's in up to it's ears financially and it's a sold red state. I think the reason that the Dems have twice the number of Mayors as the Republicans is that the Republican has even worse problems running a City as the Democrats. I can understand why. Most Republicans come for the Corporate world. And you can't run a City the way you have to run a Corporation. For one, it will go into the red so quickly iti will boggle your mind. Second, if you try and run a government the way you run a corporation you will end up in prison.

No...moron....Waco had 4 murders......total......San Diego 32......moron......

Democrats run these cities into the ground but keep power by giving things away.....

Here is a real comparison....

Houston.....open and concealed carry....gun stores on every corner....in a state that has a border with the Narco state of Mexico....

Baltimore....as far from the border as you can get.....extreme gun control laws......

Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

Both Houston and Baltimore are way too high for it's population. So is Chicago. NYC and LA actually have a lower percentage of murder rate than Houston does. Using Houston as an example shows that not ALL high crime rate areas are controlled by Democrats. Funny, both of used to Texas major Cities as bad examples to your claim. Hmmm, I wonder.

Yes....hide from the fact that the cities with extreme gun control all have higher gun crime rates...except LA where they are actually dealing with criminals.....New York will be on the wrong side even more as they abandon Rudy Guiliani's police techniques...the Republican Mayor who cleaned up New York city.....

NYC is sticking to strong gun control and doing very well.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/nyc-crime-continues-to-plummet-in-2018/

No...Rudy Guiliani started the practice of actuallly arresting criminals...which they have kept doing till this left wing socialist got into office....they are reaping the rewards of targeting criminals....their gun control laws had nothing to do with it...

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

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The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

Rudy is long, long gone idiot. And crime is going down while places like WI with concealed carry it only goes up.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

So what? No restriction is ever going to be 100% effective.

So you are good with criminals legally armed. I guess that is why so many law enforcement die. Thanks gun culture.

I hardly call most misdemeanors crimes. They are more like traffic violations.

As long as CONVICTED FELONS are restricted it's enough for me

 

[Brain357]

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

So what? No restriction is ever going to be 100% effective.

So you are good with criminals legally armed. I guess that is why so many law enforcement die. Thanks gun culture.

I hardly call most misdemeanors crimes. They are more like traffic violations.

As long as CONVICTED FELONS are restricted it's enough for me

Yeah the world is a better place with this guy legally carrying:
The shooter has a long rap sheet. He once shot himself in the foot playing Russian roulette in Shorewood, and blamed three black men. He carried a concealed weapon before it was legal. And he later threatened a man with his gun while drunk. But because all his convictions are misdemeanors, he still qualified for a concealed-carry license.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country as does CA and the crime rate in UT which has some of the least restrictive gun laws has far less crime than either so it seems your argument is proven wrong yet again

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

once again you don't read your own links

WI does not issue CCW permits to convicted felons

Sorry but a misdemeanor is not a felony

Yes I did read my own link. Did you see the part about how this legally armed guy shot and killed somebody during a drug deal gone bad? Thats a person you want running around with a gun?

The shooter has a long rap sheet. He once shot himself in the foot playing Russian roulette in Shorewood, and blamed three black men. He carried a concealed weapon before it was legal. And he later threatened a man with his gun while drunk. But because all his convictions are misdemeanors, he still qualified for a concealed-carry license.

Again so the fuck what? You conveniently ignore the law enforcement officials of WI when they say things like this from another one of your links

The story kind of is that there is no story,” Attorney General Brad Schimel said. “I’m not aware of evidence of statistical significance that there are people who gain a permit who are committing crime with guns





The VAST MAJORITY of people with CCW permits will NEVER commit any crimes at all.

Do you want to put all men on the sex offender registry because a tenth of percent of all men rape women and children?

 

[Skull Pilot]

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

So what? No restriction is ever going to be 100% effective.

So you are good with criminals legally armed. I guess that is why so many law enforcement die. Thanks gun culture.

I hardly call most misdemeanors crimes. They are more like traffic violations.

As long as CONVICTED FELONS are restricted it's enough for me

Yeah the world is a better place with this guy legally carrying:
The shooter has a long rap sheet. He once shot himself in the foot playing Russian roulette in Shorewood, and blamed three black men. He carried a concealed weapon before it was legal. And he later threatened a man with his gun while drunk. But because all his convictions are misdemeanors, he still qualified for a concealed-carry license.

You know some guy might get behind the wheel of his car 2 minutes from now after drinking all day and he might kill someone.

Does that mean ALL people will do it?

You are predicting that EVERYONE with a CCW permit will all of a sudden start committing crimes.

I hate to tell you this but it just doesn't happen

 

[Brain357]

They have concealed carry, that is hardly very strict. You need to think again.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what it takes in WI or IL to get a concealed carry permit we'll just add that to the gargantuan pile of other things you know absolutely nothing about

It is very easy to get concealed carry in WI... Even criminals can.
Wisconsin law allows repeat gun offenders to carry concealed weapons

A Whitefish Bay man with three prior weapons convictions was allowed to legally carry a concealed gun. The man posted his shooting skills on Facebook. Weeks after the post, police said he shot and killed a man during a drug deal gone bad in an alley near Milwaukee's Riverside High School

once again you don't read your own links

WI does not issue CCW permits to convicted felons

Sorry but a misdemeanor is not a felony

Yes I did read my own link. Did you see the part about how this legally armed guy shot and killed somebody during a drug deal gone bad? Thats a person you want running around with a gun?

The shooter has a long rap sheet. He once shot himself in the foot playing Russian roulette in Shorewood, and blamed three black men. He carried a concealed weapon before it was legal. And he later threatened a man with his gun while drunk. But because all his convictions are misdemeanors, he still qualified for a concealed-carry license.

Again so the fuck what? You conveniently ignore the law enforcement officials of WI when they say things like this from another one of your links

The story kind of is that there is no story,” Attorney General Brad Schimel said. “I’m not aware of evidence of statistical significance that there are people who gain a permit who are committing crime with guns





The VAST MAJORITY of people with CCW permits will NEVER commit any crimes at all.

Do you want to put all men on the sex offender registry because a tenth of percent of all men rape women and children?

So this gun culture is why we have school shootings when other countries don't. You don't care our children are dying? This gun culture is why we police are regularly gunned down. You don't care about law enforcement? These things don't happen in countries with strong gun control. This idiot in WI could just have likely accidently shot a kid instead of his foot.