The definitive guide to the 2nd Amendment

[Brain357]

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, school shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Violent crime increases in right-to-carry states | Stanford News

There Have Been Over 200 School Shooting Incidents Since The Sandy Hook Massacre | HuffPost

 

[Daryl Hunt]

We have school shootings here regularly. What country with decent gun control has a problem with school shootings?

We lose about one police officer a week to a shooting death. Countries with decent gun control lose single digits in a year.

Nope......they have different cultures.....and that is changing.....Britain didn't have lots of school shootings before they confiscated guns, and neither did the other European countries.......

And we with the most guns are the only ones who have the problem.

If you are an avid collector or hunter then no. You aren't part of the problem as long as you have proper security and usage. But if you have all of those weapons to prevent anything then you ARE a problem. Be honest. Why do you have so many guns. And don't use the BS about it being your right to own so many.

 

[Brain357]

We have school shootings here regularly. What country with decent gun control has a problem with school shootings?

We lose about one police officer a week to a shooting death. Countries with decent gun control lose single digits in a year.

Nope......they have different cultures.....and that is changing.....Britain didn't have lots of school shootings before they confiscated guns, and neither did the other European countries.......

And we with the most guns are the only ones who have the problem.

If you are an avid collector or hunter then no. You aren't part of the problem as long as you have proper security and usage. But if you have all of those weapons to prevent anything then you ARE a problem. Be honest. Why do you have so many guns. And don't use the BS about it being your right to own so many.

I was stating that only the US with the most guns in the world has a school shooting problem. What happens regularly here is very rare in countries with strong gun control.

 

[Brain357]

While crime goes up in the US, crime goes down in New York where they have stuck to strong gun control.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/nyc-crime-continues-to-plummet-in-2018/

 

[Rustic]

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, school shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Violent crime increases in right-to-carry states | Stanford News

There Have Been Over 200 School Shooting Incidents Since The Sandy Hook Massacre | HuffPost

 

[Skull Pilot]

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’
Defensive Gun Use

No matter how you slice it defensive gun use saves lives.

Great study. It shows that most gun related incidents don't result in death. However, you must realize that most meth users don't die immediately either. So Meth use and gun use must be equally safe------right?

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/sheriff-shreds-anti-gun-mayors-excuse-for-crime-spree/



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

 

[Skull Pilot]

While crime goes up in the US, crime goes down in New York where they have stuck to strong gun control.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/nyc-crime-continues-to-plummet-in-2018/

That has less to do with guns than it does policing practices
The NYC police department has over 35000 cops and
How New York Became Safe: The Full Story

you'll notice that gun laws are not mentioned at all

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Great study. It shows that most gun related incidents don't result in death. However, you must realize that most meth users don't die immediately either. So Meth use and gun use must be equally safe------right?

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


Sheriff shreds anti-gun mayor’s excuse for crime spree



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

Actually, according to the FBI Violent Crime was down 18% from 2007. But the Murder rate (mostly from firearms) was up 6.8% from last year and it's slowly climbing. But the Murder rate was down for 2016 6% from 2007.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


Sheriff shreds anti-gun mayor’s excuse for crime spree



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

Actually, according to the FBI Violent Crime was down 18% from 2007. But the Murder rate (mostly from firearms) was up 6.8% from last year and it's slowly climbing. But the Murder rate was down for 2016 6% from 2007.

5 facts about crime in the U.S.

 

[danielpalos]

We need well regulated militia for the security of our free States.

Oh, I agree fully. Not for reason you have, maybe. I believe that every state should have it's own State Militia. Texas has theirs, California has theirs and a few other states do as well. But we have to look at the History of the totally State Controlled Militia.

Here in Colorado, we had a State Guard but it was absorbed into the National Guard. But when we did have a State Guard it was the total tool for the State's Governor. Yes it was there to protect the state from the Feds but it wasn't really used that way. Here is an episode that happened just before the State Guard was Nationalized
Militia slaughters strikers at Ludlow, Colorado - Apr 20, 1914 - HISTORY.com
The Power of John D Rockefeller was almost absolute in those days. And both State Guard and Federal Troops were used. The State Guard was also called the Colorado Militia.

I do like the way the Texas handles their State Guards. During the last two disasters in Houston and Galveston, the State Guard took over and did an admirable job. When Katrina was in force, the feds showed up, tried to put their own man in charge and ended up being led by the State Guard Commander. Most of the emergency and public safety people in Texas are part of the Texas State Guard like Firemen and Cops. This is why the Texans can survive where other states lose life. A friend of mine stayed in his house during the last one and ended up moving his family into a tree house. He wasn't worried. Sooner or later, the Rescuers would come and they did. Took them 3 days but they made it. No big worries on his part since he was prepared. He had another safe area as well but the Tornado Shelter was filled with water, obviously. There is still quite a bit of the West alive in southern Texas.

Must have more to do with a lack of attention to politics.

The militia should have refused to muster for any unAmerican activities.

 

[Brain357]

Great study. It shows that most gun related incidents don't result in death. However, you must realize that most meth users don't die immediately either. So Meth use and gun use must be equally safe------right?

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/sheriff-shreds-anti-gun-mayors-excuse-for-crime-spree/



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[BULLDOG]

Great study. It shows that most gun related incidents don't result in death. However, you must realize that most meth users don't die immediately either. So Meth use and gun use must be equally safe------right?

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


Sheriff shreds anti-gun mayor’s excuse for crime spree



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

It's obvious that it doesn't matter to you, but I'm sure the dead people and their families would disagree with you.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/sheriff-shreds-anti-gun-mayors-excuse-for-crime-spree/



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Compared to the decrease in the past 30 years that increase is insignificant and cannot be proven to be directly caused by guns

 

[Skull Pilot]

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


Sheriff shreds anti-gun mayor’s excuse for crime spree



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

It's obvious that it doesn't matter to you, but I'm sure the dead people and their families would disagree with you.

If you want to ban everything that kills people then you better make living illegal

 

[Brain357]

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/sheriff-shreds-anti-gun-mayors-excuse-for-crime-spree/



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Compared to the decrease in the past 30 years that increase is insignificant and cannot be proven to be directly caused by guns

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


Sheriff shreds anti-gun mayor’s excuse for crime spree



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Compared to the decrease in the past 30 years that increase is insignificant and cannot be proven to be directly caused by guns

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.

IDGAF if it decreases crime and I never claimed it did but you have not proven in any way shape or form that concealed carry is a direct cause of the increased crime rates have you?

 

[Brain357]

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Compared to the decrease in the past 30 years that increase is insignificant and cannot be proven to be directly caused by guns

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.

IDGAF if it decreases crime and I never claimed it did but you have not proven in any way shape or form that concealed carry is a direct cause of the increased crime rates have you?

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.

Crime has increased in WI every year since they got concealed carry.

 

[2aguy]

While crime goes up in the US, crime goes down in New York where they have stuck to strong gun control.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/nyc-crime-continues-to-plummet-in-2018/

And you are lying by omission...

New York's crime dropped because Rugy Guiliani cleaned up the city by arresting criminals.......and they have followed his techniques until this latest socialist showed up as mayor....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

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The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decad

 

[2aguy]

That study also says defensive dun use is an important crime deterrent.
The second link estimates over 70000 DGU annually.

IMO it's most likely more but not quite the 1.5 million that oft quoted study says

Even if you take the low ball estimate guns are used in defense far more often than they are for murder

Defensive gun use is nonaddictive so your meth analogy is poor at best

Then why has violent crime increased every year since WI got concealed carry?

That is a lie numb nuts.......you have been shown it is a lie...

Milwaukee drives the crime rate in Wisconsin....and crime has been going down numb nuts..


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.
--------

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.


Sheriff shreds anti-gun mayor’s excuse for crime spree



Clarke, who still lives in the city, points out that while the number of homicides in Milwaukee has shot up this year over last, one must look at a larger sample of data, not just this year over last, to get an accurate picture. That’s because last year was a particularly safe year in Milwaukee. Homicides were down 14 percent from the year before.

“The holes in that argument are obvious. First of all, there’s an ebb and flow to crime,” Clarke told WND. “You’ll see a high period followed by a low period, and a low period will often be followed by a high. But some things remain constant, and one is the availability of guns.”

Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

Actually, according to the FBI Violent Crime was down 18% from 2007. But the Murder rate (mostly from firearms) was up 6.8% from last year and it's slowly climbing. But the Murder rate was down for 2016 6% from 2007.

The murder rate went up because of the Ferguson Effect on the police in major cities....they stopped doing proactive policing, so the gang bangers started carrying guns again....and started shooting each other in larger numbers...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

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And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Compared to the decrease in the past 30 years that increase is insignificant and cannot be proven to be directly caused by guns

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.

IDGAF if it decreases crime and I never claimed it did but you have not proven in any way shape or form that concealed carry is a direct cause of the increased crime rates have you?

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.

Crime has increased in WI every year since they got concealed carry.

Why is it that you anti gunners have to lie all the time....


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.

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Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...es-impact-wisconsin-concealed-carry/94344080/

Homicides soar in Milwaukee, along with many theories on cause

Several trends have remained constant: Some families have multiple victims, some people could be a perpetrator one day and a victim the next, most of the victims are African-American men and most victims die from gunfire. Some of the killings — on average 1 in 3 — go unsolved.

Preliminary numbers show a quarter of homicides in Milwaukee last year stemmed from arguments and fights. A lesser share were the result of domestic violence, drug activity and robbery.
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"The difference they've seen post-Ferguson disturbances is an emboldening of the same group of people that already are shooting each other," he said, citing anecdotal information from Milwaukee officers.
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In a study of one high-crime Chicago neighborhood, Papachristos and other researchers found that more than 40% of all gun homicides occurred within a network of 3,100 people, about 4% of the community's population. Simply being among the 4% increased a person's odds of being killed by a gun by 900%.

When it comes to gun homicide, Papachristos says, seemingly innocent victims end up in the "wrong place at the wrong time" by indirect exposure, such as getting a ride from a friend's cousin or by going to the party of a friend of a friend's.

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In 2002, Laron Ball was fatally shot by a detective in a Milwaukee courtroom after being found guilty of felony murder, stealing a deputy's gun and firing it while trying to escape.

Thirteen years later, his brother, Latrail Ball, was shot and killed, but in very different circumstances.

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The aftermath of Ferguson could have added fuel to a sense of "legal cynicism" already present in many communities, according to Thomas Abt, former New York deputy secretary for public safety and a senior research fellow with Harvard Kennedy School of Government.

If people view the criminal justice system as illegitimate or unable to help them, it can lead to more violence, Abt wrote in a recent opinion piece for The Marshall Project, a criminal justice website.

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The Milwaukee Police Association, which represents the department's rank-and-file, has long criticized Flynn's leadership. Union president Michael Crivello says the chief's reorganization of the department deserves much of the blame for higher levels of violence and lower clearance rates.
"(An) abandonment of the fundamentals of policing have caused the out-of-control spiral of criminal behavior," Crivello said.
When no one's held accountable for a homicide, the victim's family and friends suffer, said Tory Lowe, a Milwaukee activist and Common Council candidate.