Crime has gone up every single year since getting concealed carry.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016
And crime in the country is at a 30 year low

so one state doesn't matter


FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
Compared to the decrease in the past 30 years that increase is insignificant and cannot be proven to be directly caused by guns

Concealed carry is at its highest and violent crime went up. Clearly it does not decrease crime.


No...left wingers like you attacked the police....and supported racist, anti police groups like Black Lives Matter......creating the Ferguson effect in our major cities...we can track the increase to the attacks on police after Ferguson....

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Ferguson is because our police shoot so many people. Police don't shoot lots of people in countries with strong gun control. The problem is too many guns. Just like our police are shot and killed weekly. Countries with strong gun control have single digit police deaths to guns. Too many guns.
 
And you are lying by omission...

New York's crime dropped because Rugy Guiliani cleaned up the city by arresting criminals.......and they have followed his techniques until this latest socialist showed up as mayor....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

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The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decad

Make up your feeble mind. Did they stop all criminals from getting guns? Did they stop straw buyers? Hell no. By your own reasoning, nothing short of stopping that 100% is worthwhile.


No.....that is your reasoning......my way is to lock up gun criminals for 30 years.....that stops gun crime...you guys keep letting them out over and over again......you reduce the population of actual criminals who actually use guns to commit crimes....this has the incredible benefit of leaving normal, law abiding gun owners alone...

Oh shut up.


Did you think that up that reply all by yourself?

It's what I, and most others should have told your dumb ass long ago. Just shut up. Your goofy crap isn't even funny any more.

The crap got old many school shootings ago. Countries with strong gun control don't have a school shooting problem.
 
The 2nd Amendment can be definitively paraphrased thus: The individual states have a right to defend themselves through maintenance of state militias. That being said, the Declaration of Independence acknowledges that individuals have an inalienable right to protect themselves. Unless/until the government can guarantee their personal safety, individuals have an inherent right to defend themselves by any reasonable means.

P.S. I don't give a shit how some judge "interprets" the plain language of these documents.

So why not give the states the power to have ARMIES then?
 
They have strong gun control and their crime is plummeting. WI got concealed carry and crime is increasing.
If that is true (and I highly doubt it) that would be a first. Everywhere that conceal carry was passed, crime plummeted.
 
They have strong gun control and their crime is plummeting. WI got concealed carry and crime is increasing.
If that is true (and I highly doubt it) that would be a first. Everywhere that conceal carry was passed, crime plummeted.

No it has never plummeted anywhere. In WI it has increased. As a country our violent crime rate increased the last two years. That's with the most concealed carry we have ever had. Here are the stats for WI, no doubting needed.
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016
 
It is hilarious listening to progressives whine about constitutional rights. If the U.S. is too scary for you - leave. The Castros confiscated firearms after they used them to over throw the government and take control of the people. Cuba is waiting for you.
 
It is hilarious listening to progressives whine about constitutional rights. If the U.S. is too scary for you - leave. The Castros confiscated firearms after they used them to over throw the government and take control of the people. Cuba is waiting for you.

So you like school shootings? You like our police getting shot and killed regularly? Mass shootings are a good thing?
 
It is hilarious listening to progressives whine about constitutional rights. If the U.S. is too scary for you - leave. The Castros confiscated firearms after they used them to over throw the government and take control of the people. Cuba is waiting for you.

So you like school shootings? You like our police getting shot and killed regularly? Mass shootings are a good thing?
Everything you just cited is the result of failed progressive policy. Firearms are universally banned from schools, stupid. Banned. Just like you want. How is that working out?
 
Mass shootings are a good thing?
Mass shootings only occur where firearms are banned, genius. There has never been a mass shooting where there were firearms. No mass shooting inside the White House. No mass shooting at police departments. No mass shootings at NRA meetings.

Only a nitwit couldn’t figure this one out...
 
It is hilarious listening to progressives whine about constitutional rights. If the U.S. is too scary for you - leave. The Castros confiscated firearms after they used them to over throw the government and take control of the people. Cuba is waiting for you.

So you like school shootings? You like our police getting shot and killed regularly? Mass shootings are a good thing?
Everything you just cited is the result of failed progressive policy. Firearms are universally banned from schools, stupid. Banned. Just like you want. How is that working out?

School shootings are a result of too many guns. The UK has strong gun control. When was their last school shooting? We have them here regularly.
 
No it has never plummeted anywhere.
Crime has plummeted everywhere conceal carry was approved. That is a fact.

No that isn't even close to a fact. Here are the stats again:
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

WI got concealed carry in 2011. Violent crime rate went from 249.9 to 305.9. And you know IL and Chicago got concealed carry right? Show me were it ever plummeted.
I’m talking outside of Wisconsin, nitwit.
 
School shootings are a result of too many guns.
Really? The White House is filled with fully automatic weapons. How come there has never been a shooting at the White House?

Police Departments are stocked with firearms. How come there are never mass shootings at police departments?

Moron.
 
No it has never plummeted anywhere.
Crime has plummeted everywhere conceal carry was approved. That is a fact.

No that isn't even close to a fact. Here are the stats again:
Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

WI got concealed carry in 2011. Violent crime rate went from 249.9 to 305.9. And you know IL and Chicago got concealed carry right? Show me were it ever plummeted.
I’m talking outside of Wisconsin, nitwit.

How is IL and Chicago doing?
 
Mass shootings are a good thing?
Mass shootings only occur where firearms are banned, genius. There has never been a mass shooting where there were firearms. No mass shooting inside the White House. No mass shooting at police departments. No mass shootings at NRA meetings.

Only a nitwit couldn’t figure this one out...

Are you this stupid or just dishonest?

2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
That wasn’t at a police department, nitwit. You are both stupid and dishonest.
 

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