The Demise of the Welfare Queen

[rightwinger]

'People think everyone who is poor gets welfare, and it's just not true'; How the myth of the welfare queen died - In Plain Sight

Welfare has not been the same since the mid-1990s, when the old program, called Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was replaced by TANF. The new program requires that recipients do 20 to 30 hours a week of work-related activities, such as job hunting or community service, among other stipulations.

Most states also only allow adults to collect TANF for a maximum of five years over the course of their lifetime, or less.

A person working a full-time, minimum wage job would take home $15,080 a year. That’s below the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2012 poverty threshold for a family of one adult and two children under 18.

Most experts say that even in a low-wage job, a single mother is better off financially than on welfare because welfare payments are so low. In July 2011, the maximum monthly TANF payment for a family of three ranged from $170 to $923 a month, depending on the state, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

 

[rightwinger]

But many concede that one optimistic hope for welfare reform – that women who entered low-wage work would gradually get better-paying jobs – has not generally materialized.

“The idea that these moms are going to go into the labor force, they’re going to get skills, they’re going to move up, they’re going to make more money … that did not happen very much,” said Haskins, who also advised President George W. Bush on welfare in 2002.

 

[Pete7469]

So a private charity the YWCA got someone out of poverty, not the gov't.

Good.

 

[rightwinger]

So a private charity the YWCA got someone out of poverty, not the gov't.

Good.

Does it make a difference?

Looks like they both played a role

 

[Lonestar_logic]

'People think everyone who is poor gets welfare, and it's just not true'; How the myth of the welfare queen died - In Plain Sight

Welfare has not been the same since the mid-1990s, when the old program, called Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was replaced by TANF. The new program requires that recipients do 20 to 30 hours a week of work-related activities, such as job hunting or community service, among other stipulations.

Most states also only allow adults to collect TANF for a maximum of five years over the course of their lifetime, or less.

A person working a full-time, minimum wage job would take home $15,080 a year. That’s below the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2012 poverty threshold for a family of one adult and two children under 18.

Most experts say that even in a low-wage job, a single mother is better off financially than on welfare because welfare payments are so low. In July 2011, the maximum monthly TANF payment for a family of three ranged from $170 to $923 a month, depending on the state, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Obama ended the work requirements by executive order.

 

[asaratis]

Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller

“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.


”Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.

Tell me the system is not fucked up!

 

[ClosedCaption]

Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller

“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.


”Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.

Tell me the system is not fucked up!

I'm calling bullshit on this

Edit: just went to the link and it provided nothing as evidence unless "say so" is acceptable

 

[rightwinger]

'People think everyone who is poor gets welfare, and it's just not true'; How the myth of the welfare queen died - In Plain Sight

Welfare has not been the same since the mid-1990s, when the old program, called Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was replaced by TANF. The new program requires that recipients do 20 to 30 hours a week of work-related activities, such as job hunting or community service, among other stipulations.

Most states also only allow adults to collect TANF for a maximum of five years over the course of their lifetime, or less.

A person working a full-time, minimum wage job would take home $15,080 a year. That’s below the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2012 poverty threshold for a family of one adult and two children under 18.

Most experts say that even in a low-wage job, a single mother is better off financially than on welfare because welfare payments are so low. In July 2011, the maximum monthly TANF payment for a family of three ranged from $170 to $923 a month, depending on the state, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Obama ended the work requirements by executive order.

No he didn't.

He granted temporary waivers because of the poor work environment. How do you tell someone they can't get welfare unless they are working and then have no jobs?

What would you do? Have them fired from their jobs and then cancel their welfare benefit for not working?

 

[TNHarley]

under Clinton : welfare to work
under Obama : work to welfare

 

[squeeze berry]

'People think everyone who is poor gets welfare, and it's just not true'; How the myth of the welfare queen died - In Plain Sight

Welfare has not been the same since the mid-1990s, when the old program, called Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was replaced by TANF. The new program requires that recipients do 20 to 30 hours a week of work-related activities, such as job hunting or community service, among other stipulations.

Most states also only allow adults to collect TANF for a maximum of five years over the course of their lifetime, or less.

A person working a full-time, minimum wage job would take home $15,080 a year. That’s below the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2012 poverty threshold for a family of one adult and two children under 18.

Most experts say that even in a low-wage job, a single mother is better off financially than on welfare because welfare payments are so low. In July 2011, the maximum monthly TANF payment for a family of three ranged from $170 to $923 a month, depending on the state, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

what about food stamps and housing?

 

[BillyV]

Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller

“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.


”Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.

Tell me the system is not fucked up!

I'm calling bullshit on this

Edit: just went to the link and it provided nothing as evidence unless "say so" is acceptable

You have to dig a little deeper. The Cato study seems well-researched and supported, and it indicates exactly what the Daily Caller printed. In fact, the quote “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour” was taken directly from the study itself. Their “profile” household (single mother with two minor children) was assumed to be eligible for the following benefits: TANF, SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Housing Assistance, Medicaid, WIC (Women, Infants, and Children Program), LIHEAP (Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program), and TEFAP (The Emergency Food Assistance Program). These were compared on an after-tax basis and included credits like the earned income credit for workers. The highest available welfare benefit was available in Hawaii ($49,175; pretax wage equivalent $60,590) for those programs; in middle of the list at number 25 was Michigan ($28,872; pretax wage equivalent $26,430) with the lowest being Mississippi ($16,984; pretax wage equivalent $11,830). At a minimum wage of $7.25, that mother would earn just over $15,000 and would likely end up with about $21,000 after credits.
"Therefore, it seems likely that it will continue to be difficult to move individuals from welfare to work as long as the level of welfare benefits makes the choice not to work a rational alternative."


More: The Work versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013 | Cato Institute

 

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Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller

“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.


”Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.

Tell me the system is not fucked up!

I'm calling bullshit on this

Edit: just went to the link and it provided nothing as evidence unless "say so" is acceptable

You have to dig a little deeper. The Cato study seems well-researched and supported, and it indicates exactly what the Daily Caller printed. In fact, the quote “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour” was taken directly from the study itself. Their “profile” household (single mother with two minor children) was assumed to be eligible for the following benefits: TANF, SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Housing Assistance, Medicaid, WIC (Women, Infants, and Children Program), LIHEAP (Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program), and TEFAP (The Emergency Food Assistance Program). These were compared on an after-tax basis and included credits like the earned income credit for workers. The highest available welfare benefit was available in Hawaii ($49,175; pretax wage equivalent $60,590) for those programs; in middle of the list at number 25 was Michigan ($28,872; pretax wage equivalent $26,430) with the lowest being Mississippi ($16,984; pretax wage equivalent $11,830). At a minimum wage of $7.25, that mother would earn just over $15,000 and would likely end up with about $21,000 after credits.
"Therefore, it seems likely that it will continue to be difficult to move individuals from welfare to work as long as the level of welfare benefits makes the choice not to work a rational alternative."


More: The Work versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013 | Cato Institute

Cool because it wasnt listed there but that is a pretty big dam assumption that someone would qual for ALL that stuff at the same time. In fact the person would have to be dirt poor FIRST to qualify (and that doesnt mean they would still qualify for everything on this list)

So the question is: Are you saying that someone would risk being dam near homeless for the CHANCE to qualify for some of these programs?

Because the story pretends that someone wouldnt work on purpose to qual for these benefits and a mother with 2 children most likely wouldnt risk that much or take that big of a gamble for a possibility.

 

[Nova78]

'People think everyone who is poor gets welfare, and it's just not true'; How the myth of the welfare queen died - In Plain Sight

Welfare has not been the same since the mid-1990s, when the old program, called Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was replaced by TANF. The new program requires that recipients do 20 to 30 hours a week of work-related activities, such as job hunting or community service, among other stipulations.

Most states also only allow adults to collect TANF for a maximum of five years over the course of their lifetime, or less.

A person working a full-time, minimum wage job would take home $15,080 a year. That’s below the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2012 poverty threshold for a family of one adult and two children under 18.

Most experts say that even in a low-wage job, a single mother is better off financially than on welfare because welfare payments are so low. In July 2011, the maximum monthly TANF payment for a family of three ranged from $170 to $923 a month, depending on the state, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Your an idiot

 

[deltex1]

The problem was there were not enough shovels for the shovel ready jobs. Bush failed to make the shovels and many of the ones he did make went to brazil and Mexico ...plus his policy of free shovels for illegals...that backfired too.

 

[asaratis]

Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller

“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.


”Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.

Tell me the system is not fucked up!

I'm calling bullshit on this

Edit: just went to the link and it provided nothing as evidence unless "say so" is acceptable

Find me something that proves it is wrong. Provide evidence of your claim. Then we'll talk. You idiotic liberals are quick to claim what's posted is a lie, but you are slow in producing an honest rebuttal. Grow fucking up!

 

[hazlnut]

'People think everyone who is poor gets welfare, and it's just not true'; How the myth of the welfare queen died - In Plain Sight

Welfare has not been the same since the mid-1990s, when the old program, called Aid to Families with Dependent Children, was replaced by TANF. The new program requires that recipients do 20 to 30 hours a week of work-related activities, such as job hunting or community service, among other stipulations.

Most states also only allow adults to collect TANF for a maximum of five years over the course of their lifetime, or less.

A person working a full-time, minimum wage job would take home $15,080 a year. That’s below the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2012 poverty threshold for a family of one adult and two children under 18.

Most experts say that even in a low-wage job, a single mother is better off financially than on welfare because welfare payments are so low. In July 2011, the maximum monthly TANF payment for a family of three ranged from $170 to $923 a month, depending on the state, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Obama ended the work requirements by executive order.

False -- he allowed states to adjust the requirements to work better with their state programs -- Republican and Dem Governors requested the exemption to better manage their own programs.

And Obama gave it them.

And Fox lied about it and spun into the lie you told in your post.

 

[Pete7469]

So a private charity the YWCA got someone out of poverty, not the gov't.

Good.

Does it make a difference?

Looks like they both played a role

I can't believe there are people who can't understand the difference, let alone care that private charity is obviously more effective because it has to be more efficient.

Do you even give a shit if poor people escape poverty wrongwinger? I realize they're more useful to you as dependents your ilk can exploit for political gains if they're dependent on the criminally insane authoritarian sociopaths you promote. Yet you can't seriously expect the rest of us to believe some bureaucrooks who get paid regardless of their obvious failures to help people escape poverty, are more valuable than private charities who are expected to produce results. These charities will lose funding if they fail, gov't programs receive more funding after they fail.

Can you not see a problem here? It's astounding it has to be spelled out for you this simply, and knowing that you'll reject this simple logic strengthens my determination that you and your comrades need to be smitten.

Not negotiated with.

Not "compromised" with.

Just defeated. Period.

The future of all that is good on earth, let alone for the human species depends on you becoming so uncomfortable on this continent that you flee to North Korea where they practice your politics to the extreme.

 

[francoHFW]

The only time welfare beats working is when you need Medicaid- until next year, when you can work AND get Medicaid or insurance, even with bad jobs...

The total BS hater dupes believe. A-hole lying Pubs are a disgrace.

 

[OnePercenter]

The "Welfare Queen" is alive and well. Her name is Walmart, Home Depot, Target, etc., etc., etc.

 

[BillyV]

I'm calling bullshit on this

Edit: just went to the link and it provided nothing as evidence unless "say so" is acceptable

You have to dig a little deeper. The Cato study seems well-researched and supported, and it indicates exactly what the Daily Caller printed. In fact, the quote “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour” was taken directly from the study itself. Their “profile” household (single mother with two minor children) was assumed to be eligible for the following benefits: TANF, SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Housing Assistance, Medicaid, WIC (Women, Infants, and Children Program), LIHEAP (Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program), and TEFAP (The Emergency Food Assistance Program). These were compared on an after-tax basis and included credits like the earned income credit for workers. The highest available welfare benefit was available in Hawaii ($49,175; pretax wage equivalent $60,590) for those programs; in middle of the list at number 25 was Michigan ($28,872; pretax wage equivalent $26,430) with the lowest being Mississippi ($16,984; pretax wage equivalent $11,830). At a minimum wage of $7.25, that mother would earn just over $15,000 and would likely end up with about $21,000 after credits.
"Therefore, it seems likely that it will continue to be difficult to move individuals from welfare to work as long as the level of welfare benefits makes the choice not to work a rational alternative."


More: The Work versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013 | Cato Institute

Cool because it wasnt listed there but that is a pretty big dam assumption that someone would qual for ALL that stuff at the same time. In fact the person would have to be dirt poor FIRST to qualify (and that doesnt mean they would still qualify for everything on this list)

So the question is: Are you saying that someone would risk being dam near homeless for the CHANCE to qualify for some of these programs?

Because the story pretends that someone wouldnt work on purpose to qual for these benefits and a mother with 2 children most likely wouldnt risk that much or take that big of a gamble for a possibility.

You're right; likely not all recipients will qualify for all benefits, and the study addresses this:

Critics of Cato’s 1995 study pointed out, correctly, that not all welfare recipients actually receive all the benefits to which they are entitled. That is particularly true of housing benefits, as we have discussed above. Similar arguments can be made regarding utilities assistance, WIC, and free commodities. Still, with the exception of housing in states with less than a 10 percent participation rate, we believe it is proper to include the full package of benefits in our calculations because at least some recipients in every state do receive them. Moreover, the likelihood of receiving those additional benefits is primarily a function of the length of a family’s stay on welfare. That means that hard-core welfare recipients, who spend long periods on welfare, are likely to be receiving those benefits.

Still, since not every observer will agree with our approach, we offer Table 16, which shows the value of a welfare benefits package that includes only those benefits received by nearly all welfare recipients: TANF, SNAP, and Medicaid. Even with this limited array of benefits, welfare exceeds the value of a minimum-wage job in eight states.

As far as whether someone would risk being "dam near homeless", that isn't the issue, nor is the Cato Institute trying to make that case. The issue is how to move welfare recipients out from public assistance to work when they will not benefit financially for doing so, not to prevent someone from quitting their job in an effort to get ON welfare.