The DNC : unfucking believable.. Fire the messengers not change the message

[Mac1958]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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[sealybobo]

It's true. The Dems should stop trying to pass legislation regarding bathrooms and burkas. It seems like every other day, a Dem led state legislature is trying to pass laws which marginalize the majority. Shameful.

With bathrooms its gender pal.. You ever hear of compromise like unisex bathrooms along with men and women bathrooms?


Hey you want to keep losing keep playing the game of just pandering to the elites , give the poor a bone once and a while and ignore the working class.?.. Your going to fuck up any good liberals do.





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Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

It was Republicans who bring up and benefit from this wedge issues.

What?! Are you nuts? Dems try to appeal to gays and minorities and women by trying to force laws which attack religious liberty in this nation. That's why they keep losing!

Nah

 

[miketx]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

Let them carry on. It's an idea whose time has come.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yeah. The Dems have a message that just doesn't resonate with the majority of Americans. They should immediately move to the right. It is their only hope.

The "right" is not a part of their soul. If they preach that message, they're LYING. Best they just keep doing what they're doing and DIE. The country will be a better place when their idiotology dies.

 

[jillian]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

Yeah, they're still in denial, and when the guilty parties have the power, they can easily create scapegoats to avoid scrutiny.

At the same time, the numbers are close and the party remains within striking distance. Seems to me the first thing they need to do is figure out how the GOP beat them to the punch on populism, and what to do about that. If they're going to keep the same messengers in place (yuck), at least fix the freaking message.
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worry about the white supremacists running the country now.

enjoy

 

[jillian]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

Let them carry on. It's an idea whose time has come.

except that you lost by almost 3 million votes.

i can't help it if some schmuck in montana's vote is worth 400 times more than a normal person's vote

 

[miketx]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

Let them carry on. It's an idea whose time has come.

except that you lost by almost 3 million votes.

i can't help it if some schmuck in montana's vote is worth 400 times more than a normal person's vote

Poah butthurt little baby. Be careful now, if you don't stop with your braindead buthurt idiocy, you may progress to full fledged butt hemorrhaging.

 

[Freewill]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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Are you doing any introspection as to why you didn't see this before the election? Or more likely ignored it before the election? Here is one "fact" that stood out to me about the election, it is from a link in another thread: "21. 13 sponsors aired Spanish language ads in the presidential general election on broadcast TV: nine Democratic sponsors and three Republican sponsors. The three GOP sponsors aired 650 spots and the Democratic sponsors aired 17,000 spots. (courtesy: Kantar Media/CMAG)"

The democrats wrote off the deplorables, white people, even though they make up the majority, still, of the voters. Obama attracted white voters on white guilt alone. There was absolutely no reason to think he was going to do any type of great job, which as it turns out he didn't. He failed in the ONE thing he should have been able to accomplish, bring America together. Hillary followed suit thinking that minorities alone, and women would win her the election. She was wrong, woman, in my opinion, hate women who let their husbands walk all over them. Hillary showed weakness or a lack of backbone in sticking with the cheating Billy. Of course she was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Her likability, what there was of it, was most based on Bill not Hillary. If she jettisoned him then she would never have stood a chance.

I think as long as democrats treat whites as racist dummies they will continue to lose. That or the elections cycle will do what it does and swing back to democrats once the electorate get fed up with Republicans.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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The engine of growth and jobs in America is small business.

"Left-leaning populism" is socialism. Americans aren't dumb, they have seen where this leads now, they don't want it. It's a dead issue in the water. After this whole ACA scandal, folks are just imagining how the elites will continue to dismantle the social fabric and destroy the ability to create opportunities just to control the economy in order to enrich themselves, their friends, and for their "sustainable development," damn idealist crusade. (Not that this isn't a great goal, but there is more than one way to achieve it, not just by authoritarian mandate.)

Average folks just don't want that BS.

I don't think anyone disagrees that crony capitalism is bad, and we're sure to get a stomach full now with this new administration.

That said, what hard working small business leaders and entrepreneurial folks are hoping, is that small businesses will get some scraps though. The Obama regime just didn't give a shit. It destroyed the very ability, the engine of growth, which powers the ability of main-street to take care of the people. Who cares if Wall-Street shows profits and there are more jobs at Walmart? That isn't helping people to live better than their parents did, nor is it giving them the opportunities to reach out and accomplish their dreams.

All this has been done so government can control the people and the crony capitalists can make even more money. Is that seriously the vision of the "left-leaning populism?" Bullshit, they are just as corrupt as the right. I don't think folks will ever accept it.

Individualism, the Horatio Alger story, the role of the family, these are the traditions that matter for the average American heart land going back generations.

As far as communicating a left-leaning populism? That can only be done through forced schooling in government institutions and by crony capitalists controlling the media. If you have to do it that way, let's face it, that's sort of unethical and evil.


None of these pols really give a shit about Joe Plumber anymore. Not really.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

i can't help it if some schmuck in montana's vote is worth 400 times more than a normal person's vote

Again, dimwit, the STATES vote for president, not the People.

The People only choose who the STATE votes for.

If you want mob rule, MOVE

 

[Mac1958]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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Are you doing any introspection as to why you didn't see this before the election? Or more likely ignored it before the election? Here is one "fact" that stood out to me about the election, it is from a link in another thread: "21. 13 sponsors aired Spanish language ads in the presidential general election on broadcast TV: nine Democratic sponsors and three Republican sponsors. The three GOP sponsors aired 650 spots and the Democratic sponsors aired 17,000 spots. (courtesy: Kantar Media/CMAG)"

The democrats wrote off the deplorables, white people, even though they make up the majority, still, of the voters. Obama attracted white voters on white guilt alone. There was absolutely no reason to think he was going to do any type of great job, which as it turns out he didn't. He failed in the ONE thing he should have been able to accomplish, bring America together. Hillary followed suit thinking that minorities alone, and women would win her the election. She was wrong, woman, in my opinion, hate women who let their husbands walk all over them. Hillary showed weakness or a lack of backbone in sticking with the cheating Billy. Of course she was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Her likability, what there was of it, was most based on Bill not Hillary. If she jettisoned him then she would never have stood a chance.

I think as long as democrats treat whites as racist dummies they will continue to lose. That or the elections cycle will do what it does and swing back to democrats once the electorate get fed up with Republicans.

Believe me, there was plenty of introspection during the campaign. And if PC/Identity Politics were the only issue, sure, voting GOP would have been the obvious choice. But there were plenty of other issues to consider, many of which I disagree more with the GOP than with the Dems.

As I've mentioned, Hillary scored a -12 with me, but Trump was a -14, and I've seen nothing yet that has changed my mind. In fact, I was thinking he might be fairly moderate in his cabinet choices, and he's gone hardcore Right. So, while I remain hopeful, I'm pretty freakin' nervous.
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[Wyatt earp]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

Yeah, they're still in denial, and when the guilty parties have the power, they can easily create scapegoats to avoid scrutiny.

At the same time, the numbers are close and the party remains within striking distance. Seems to me the first thing they need to do is figure out how the GOP beat them to the punch on populism, and what to do about that. If they're going to keep the same messengers in place (yuck), at least fix the freaking message.
.

worry about the white supremacists running the country now.

enjoy

Only in your huffpoo mind...





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[Mac1958]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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The engine of growth and jobs in America is small business.

"Left-leaning populism" is socialism. Americans aren't dumb, they have seen where this leads now, they don't want it. It's a dead issue in the water. After this whole ACA scandal, folks are just imagining how the elites will continue to dismantle the social fabric and destroy the ability to create opportunities just to control the economy in order to enrich themselves, their friends, and for their "sustainable development," damn idealist crusade. (Not that this isn't a great goal, but there is more than one way to achieve it, not just by authoritarian mandate.)

Average folks just don't want that BS.

I don't think anyone disagrees that crony capitalism is bad, and we're sure to get a stomach full now with this new administration.

That said, what hard working small business leaders and entrepreneurial folks are hoping, is that small businesses will get some scraps though. The Obama regime just didn't give a shit. It destroyed the very ability, the engine of growth, which powers the ability of main-street to take care of the people. Who cares if Wall-Street shows profits and there are more jobs at Walmart? That isn't helping people to live better than their parents did, nor is it giving them the opportunities to reach out and accomplish their dreams.

All this has been done so government can control the people and the crony capitalists can make even more money. Is that seriously the vision of the "left-leaning populism?" Bullshit, they are just as corrupt as the right. I don't think folks will ever accept it.

Individualism, the Horatio Alger story, the role of the family, these are the traditions that matter for the average American heart land going back generations.

As far as communicating a left-leaning populism? That can only be done through forced schooling in government institutions and by crony capitalists controlling the media. If you have to do it that way, let's face it, that's sort of unethical and evil.


None of these pols really give a shit about Joe Plumber anymore. Not really.

No, I don't think that left-leaning populism is "socialism" - which, by the way, is as badly an over-used term as is "racism".
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[Mac1958]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

Yeah, they're still in denial, and when the guilty parties have the power, they can easily create scapegoats to avoid scrutiny.

At the same time, the numbers are close and the party remains within striking distance. Seems to me the first thing they need to do is figure out how the GOP beat them to the punch on populism, and what to do about that. If they're going to keep the same messengers in place (yuck), at least fix the freaking message.
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worry about the white supremacists running the country now.

enjoy

Only in your huffpoo mind...





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This is what you and I are talking about.
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[MisterBeale]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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The engine of growth and jobs in America is small business.

"Left-leaning populism" is socialism. Americans aren't dumb, they have seen where this leads now, they don't want it. It's a dead issue in the water. After this whole ACA scandal, folks are just imagining how the elites will continue to dismantle the social fabric and destroy the ability to create opportunities just to control the economy in order to enrich themselves, their friends, and for their "sustainable development," damn idealist crusade. (Not that this isn't a great goal, but there is more than one way to achieve it, not just by authoritarian mandate.)

Average folks just don't want that BS.

I don't think anyone disagrees that crony capitalism is bad, and we're sure to get a stomach full now with this new administration.

That said, what hard working small business leaders and entrepreneurial folks are hoping, is that small businesses will get some scraps though. The Obama regime just didn't give a shit. It destroyed the very ability, the engine of growth, which powers the ability of main-street to take care of the people. Who cares if Wall-Street shows profits and there are more jobs at Walmart? That isn't helping people to live better than their parents did, nor is it giving them the opportunities to reach out and accomplish their dreams.

All this has been done so government can control the people and the crony capitalists can make even more money. Is that seriously the vision of the "left-leaning populism?" Bullshit, they are just as corrupt as the right. I don't think folks will ever accept it.

Individualism, the Horatio Alger story, the role of the family, these are the traditions that matter for the average American heart land going back generations.

As far as communicating a left-leaning populism? That can only be done through forced schooling in government institutions and by crony capitalists controlling the media. If you have to do it that way, let's face it, that's sort of unethical and evil.


None of these pols really give a shit about Joe Plumber anymore. Not really.

No, I don't think that left-leaning populism is "socialism" - which, by the way, is as badly an over-used term as is "racism".
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I'm game.

What's the difference between left-leaning populism and democratic-socialism?

 

[Iceweasel]

Damn the DNC is a stubborn lot and don't see the real fucking problem..


They are going to keep losing..


Blame the messengers: Dem boss Schumer fires staffers after November rout


With Christmas days away, nearly every member of the Senate Democratic Media Center has been fired, a senior Democratic aide confirmed to Fox News. Schumer swung the axe on Friday, according to Politico, which first obtained “goodbye” emails from staffers, including some with decades' experience.

The move comes amid plans to revamp the unit, which handles video content, in an effort to help the Senate Democratic caucus get their message out in the New Year. The party not only lost the presidential race, it failed to capture the Senate or House and lost state legislative races throughout the country.

How have Republicans changed since 2005? They haven't. So we won't change. We will just wait for you to screw up and the American people will vote you out.

At least we have right on our side

You haven't changed because the Republicans haven't? So much stupidity in so few words. People shouldn't change for change's sake. And they damn sure shouldn't let other dictate their own views. You are admitting to adopting the life of an anti-Republican as you define them. And since your impression is all screwed up, you are.

You have nothing to offer except pointing out failures or shortcomings in others. See, that's not much to run on. It's why Democrats are losing so much ground. Which is fine with me.

 

[Iceweasel]

i can't help it if some schmuck in montana's vote is worth 400 times more than a normal person's vote

It takes 400 liberals to fill his shoes.

 

[Mac1958]

Yes. I want to win. So...I will demand that my Dem legislators stop focusing on gender issues and abortion issues like they always have. They are just obsessed with these identity politics issues.

Just partially marginalizing the crazies could be enough. PC/Identity Politics - as compared to real, honest conversation - is now (finally, mercifully) a net negative for the party. If the zealots can just be moved off to the side a bit that could be enough. Next would be finding a way to communicate a serious, left-leaning populism.
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The engine of growth and jobs in America is small business.

"Left-leaning populism" is socialism. Americans aren't dumb, they have seen where this leads now, they don't want it. It's a dead issue in the water. After this whole ACA scandal, folks are just imagining how the elites will continue to dismantle the social fabric and destroy the ability to create opportunities just to control the economy in order to enrich themselves, their friends, and for their "sustainable development," damn idealist crusade. (Not that this isn't a great goal, but there is more than one way to achieve it, not just by authoritarian mandate.)

Average folks just don't want that BS.

I don't think anyone disagrees that crony capitalism is bad, and we're sure to get a stomach full now with this new administration.

That said, what hard working small business leaders and entrepreneurial folks are hoping, is that small businesses will get some scraps though. The Obama regime just didn't give a shit. It destroyed the very ability, the engine of growth, which powers the ability of main-street to take care of the people. Who cares if Wall-Street shows profits and there are more jobs at Walmart? That isn't helping people to live better than their parents did, nor is it giving them the opportunities to reach out and accomplish their dreams.

All this has been done so government can control the people and the crony capitalists can make even more money. Is that seriously the vision of the "left-leaning populism?" Bullshit, they are just as corrupt as the right. I don't think folks will ever accept it.

Individualism, the Horatio Alger story, the role of the family, these are the traditions that matter for the average American heart land going back generations.

As far as communicating a left-leaning populism? That can only be done through forced schooling in government institutions and by crony capitalists controlling the media. If you have to do it that way, let's face it, that's sort of unethical and evil.


None of these pols really give a shit about Joe Plumber anymore. Not really.

No, I don't think that left-leaning populism is "socialism" - which, by the way, is as badly an over-used term as is "racism".
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I'm game.

What's the difference between left-leaning populism and democratic-socialism?

Degree. Perception. And you said "socialism", not "democratic socialism", which are not the same points on the spectrum. In actual socialism, the government owns means of production and distribution, for example. In democratic socialism, it does not.

So if we're going to drop the term "socialism" and look a left-leaning populism vs. democratic socialism, we look at the spectrum. As we move toward the Left, the role, size and cost of government increases. Income taxes increase. I'd put democratic socialism to the Left of left-leaning populism.
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[Carl in Michigan]

In fact, I was thinking he might be fairly moderate in his cabinet choices, and he's gone hardcore Right

Pretty great isn't it?!
That's why I have hope and Michelle is "hopeless"

 

[Mac1958]

In fact, I was thinking he might be fairly moderate in his cabinet choices, and he's gone hardcore Right

Pretty great isn't it?! That's why I have hope and Michelle is "hopeless"

Well, it's great if that's what you're after.
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