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Who isn't covered by PA laws? Come on, tell us who it's okay for a business to discriminate against?
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
You're trolling. As you're demanding that bathrooms be based on sexual attraction. Merely a different version of the standard you're now attacking.
No, your deflecting.
As you normally do
Well, not everyone. Just those who enjoy protected class status.
Who isn't covered by PA laws? Come on, tell us who it's okay for a business to discriminate against?
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
You're trolling. As you're demanding that bathrooms be based on sexual attraction. Merely a different version of the standard you're now attacking.
Who isn't covered by PA laws? Come on, tell us who it's okay for a business to discriminate against?
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
That is a stupid analogy. Both men and women are allowed to attend and receive the product. That does not have to include bathroom privileges, as long as each HAS a designated bathroom.
Now your arguing SEPERATE but EQUAL?
PA laws are specific. You can't discriminate based on gender. The heterosexual male is being denied access even though he is similar to the lesbians.
Sexual attraction isnt' the standard of bathrooms. Gender is.
Rendering your entire analogy moot, troll.
Read the PA laws dude, you can't discriminate based on gender.
The straight male is prohibited from access simply because he "was born that way".
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
You're trolling. As you're demanding that bathrooms be based on sexual attraction. Merely a different version of the standard you're now attacking.
No, your deflecting.
As you normally do
No, I'm holding you to your own standards. You are calling for a bathroom designation by sexual attraction. Making any condemnation of assigning bathrooms inconsistent with your standards.
You're just trolling.
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
That is a stupid analogy. Both men and women are allowed to attend and receive the product. That does not have to include bathroom privileges, as long as each HAS a designated bathroom.
Now your arguing SEPERATE but EQUAL?
PA laws are specific. You can't discriminate based on gender. The heterosexual male is being denied access even though he is similar to the lesbians.
Sexual attraction isnt' the standard of bathrooms. Gender is.
Rendering your entire analogy moot, troll.
Read the PA laws dude, you can't discriminate based on gender.
The straight male is prohibited from access simply because he "was born that way".
Your sexual orientation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You're using irrelevant criteria. The only relevant criteria is gender.
And you know it, troll.
St. Paul of Tarsus was beheaded for breaking the law.We had this discussion before, 50 first dates.We don't know that. So far, instances of bigots like you targeting Christian businesses for financial ruin have been limited. Christians don't believe it's right to accommodate the homosexual lifestyle even if they tolerate it and any practicing Christian will act according to their conscience. Most are lying low hoping that hateful, intolerant bigot assholes like you won't find them.It is ironic, that these people in their own actions, make themselves into the very thing they claim to be opposing.
That's your opinion. We fear the living G-d more than your secular laws. Again, if Christian are willing to die for their faith, as we've seen around the world.... what exactly do you think you are going to do to stop us?
Nothing.
PLENTY of good Christian people open businesses and do not discriminate against others. MOST Christians aren't like you. They are nice and good people.
Why won't Christians follow the Bible? Why won't Christians obey the authority put in place by God?
Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God.
3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval.
4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong.
5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing.
7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.
I showed you in Acts where the apostles disobeyed the law when it conflicted with God's commandments. Perhaps I need to make you a video to watch every morning you wake up.
Hey- I am no Christian- no skin off of my nose if you want to ignore the extremely clear words of the New Testament.
You want to ignore God's commands- go for it. Just rather funny that God tells you explicitly to obey the law- and you choose to ignore that- in order to break a law to do not do something that God never tells Christians not to do.
2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished.
And as Paul said- the people who break the law- i.e. the bakers etc- are getting punished- just as Paul said would happen.
Who isn't covered by PA laws? Come on, tell us who it's okay for a business to discriminate against?
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
You're trolling. As you're demanding that bathrooms be based on sexual attraction. Merely a different version of the standard you're now attacking.
Post my demand based on sexual attraction.
I'm taking PA laws to they're logical conclussion.
Either apply them equally or support the premis that seperate but equal in good public policy.
That is a stupid analogy. Both men and women are allowed to attend and receive the product. That does not have to include bathroom privileges, as long as each HAS a designated bathroom.
Now your arguing SEPERATE but EQUAL?
PA laws are specific. You can't discriminate based on gender. The heterosexual male is being denied access even though he is similar to the lesbians.
Sexual attraction isnt' the standard of bathrooms. Gender is.
Rendering your entire analogy moot, troll.
Read the PA laws dude, you can't discriminate based on gender.
The straight male is prohibited from access simply because he "was born that way".
Your sexual orientation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You're using irrelevant criteria. The only relevant criteria is gender.
And you know it, troll.
AND YOU CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE OF GENDER UNDER PA LAWS DUMMY!
So...what have you actively done in your state to get such "rules"/laws repealed?Who isn't covered by PA laws? Come on, tell us who it's okay for a business to discriminate against?
Wow, really? Ok.. lessee.... I can't keep up with the state PC lists, but the federal lists don't cover:
Ugly people.
Dumb people.
Fat people.
Sick people.
Poor people.
Short people.
Smelly people.
....
There's really no end to the irrational biases people can dream up.
The people decide which groups they want to protect, usually based on a history of particularly egregious discrimination. All of which you already know.
And in the State of Oregon that includes gays and lesbians. True, the Oregon PA law wasn't in effect as the Earth began to cool and form an atmosphere. But it has existed since 2008. Well before the controversy.
The list of folks protected under PA laws isn't that long. If you're confused and confounded by who is covered in your state, consult a lawyer. They'll do the heavy lifting and read those 2 paragraphs or so for you and then explain it. Consider it the cost of doing business.
I'm not confused. I don't really care about which groups are on board. The laws establishing protected classes are fundamentally flawed on principle. They undermine the most important goal of civil rights - equal treatment under the law - by establishing the opposite - special treatment under the law.
Then your argument is with the law- not with the persons who happen to be the ones asking for protection under the law now.
Absolutely. I've got no beef at all with the people taking advantage of it. They're playing by the rules. It's the rules that are fucked up.
Remember PA laws have been around for 50 years. These threads complaining about PA laws only exist because some of those PA laws also protect homosexuals from discrimination.
Yes, and I've addressed that hypocrisy consistently. Libertarians have taken a fair amount of flack for opposing this approach to civil rights law in the past - before gay rights was even a thing. We weren't defending racism then, and we're not defending homophobia now. We're pointing out a dangerous legal precedent that undermines all of our rights.
No one complaining about PA laws in the states that don't include homosexuals in the protections from discrimination.
Some of us are.
Well, not everyone. Just those who enjoy protected class status.
Who isn't covered by PA laws? Come on, tell us who it's okay for a business to discriminate against?
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
St. Paul of Tarsus was beheaded for breaking the law.We had this discussion before, 50 first dates.We don't know that. So far, instances of bigots like you targeting Christian businesses for financial ruin have been limited. Christians don't believe it's right to accommodate the homosexual lifestyle even if they tolerate it and any practicing Christian will act according to their conscience. Most are lying low hoping that hateful, intolerant bigot assholes like you won't find them.PLENTY of good Christian people open businesses and do not discriminate against others. MOST Christians aren't like you. They are nice and good people.
Why won't Christians follow the Bible? Why won't Christians obey the authority put in place by God?
Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God.
3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval.
4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong.
5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing.
7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.
I showed you in Acts where the apostles disobeyed the law when it conflicted with God's commandments. Perhaps I need to make you a video to watch every morning you wake up.
Hey- I am no Christian- no skin off of my nose if you want to ignore the extremely clear words of the New Testament.
You want to ignore God's commands- go for it. Just rather funny that God tells you explicitly to obey the law- and you choose to ignore that- in order to break a law to do not do something that God never tells Christians not to do.
2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished.
And as Paul said- the people who break the law- i.e. the bakers etc- are getting punished- just as Paul said would happen.
Just so you know.
She baked cakes for gay people before. She only didn't want to participate in a gay event lol yeah, sounds really bigotedThe only bigot was the baker who wouldn't bake a cake because she's a bigot.Bigoted laws that are against freedom of religion you mean? I know liberals love those laws.Whose the whiny one, the one that stood up for what they believed in or the ones suing cause they got there feeling hurtObey the law, or face the consequences, and not like a whiny little bitch either.$135,000 because of a cake and not going against your conscience. Welcome to Liberal Land!
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The whiny ones are the ones who are whining because they broke the law- and now are facing the consequences.
No special exemption from the law just because you are Christian.
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Not if the authority is telling you to do something wrong. Please further read your bible, if you even have oneNot when the law comes into conflict with their faith. Sorry. You didn't know that, and that explains why you are so inerringly stupid when it comes to your attacks on Christians.The law is bad, the queers are fascists, and it is being challenged.
Apparently according to the Nazi Bible- Nazi Christians don't have to obey the law.
But according to actual Bible- Christians are supposed to follow the law.
Maybe in your Nazi Bible- but in the New Testament Paul is very clear- God is the one who give authority to the authorities- and Christians who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done
Romans 13Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Obey Rulers
13 Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.
2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it.
4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.
If you do something wrong, you ought to be afraid, because these rulers have the right to punish you. They are God’s servants who punish criminals to show how angry God is. 5 But you should obey the rulers because you know it is the right thing to do, and not just because of God’s anger.
Acts 5:29 - Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Then according to Paul- and the New Testament- Christians should obey authority- since all authority comes from God.
People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
Not if the authority is telling you to do something wrong. Please further read your bible, if you even have oneNot when the law comes into conflict with their faith. Sorry. You didn't know that, and that explains why you are so inerringly stupid when it comes to your attacks on Christians.Apparently according to the Nazi Bible- Nazi Christians don't have to obey the law.
But according to actual Bible- Christians are supposed to follow the law.
Maybe in your Nazi Bible- but in the New Testament Paul is very clear- God is the one who give authority to the authorities- and Christians who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done
Romans 13Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Obey Rulers
13 Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.
2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it.
4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.
If you do something wrong, you ought to be afraid, because these rulers have the right to punish you. They are God’s servants who punish criminals to show how angry God is. 5 But you should obey the rulers because you know it is the right thing to do, and not just because of God’s anger.
Acts 5:29 - Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Then according to Paul- and the New Testament- Christians should obey authority- since all authority comes from God.
People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
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Now your arguing SEPERATE but EQUAL?
PA laws are specific. You can't discriminate based on gender. The heterosexual male is being denied access even though he is similar to the lesbians.
Sexual attraction isnt' the standard of bathrooms. Gender is.
Rendering your entire analogy moot, troll.
Read the PA laws dude, you can't discriminate based on gender.
The straight male is prohibited from access simply because he "was born that way".
Your sexual orientation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You're using irrelevant criteria. The only relevant criteria is gender.
And you know it, troll.
AND YOU CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE OF GENDER UNDER PA LAWS DUMMY!
And who says that gendered bathrooms violate PA laws? You do, citing yourself.
No State or local government has ever agreed with you. And once again your claims plummet into that vast chasm between your pseudo-legal gibberish and real world outcomes.
Most gyms deny entry into locker / shower rooms for both members of straight married couples while allowing entry to same for gay married couples.
I would point out, a gay female is sexually attracted to the female member of a straight married couple in the same manner as a male.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
Sounds like this discrimination is based on ........
Morality!
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
You're trolling. As you're demanding that bathrooms be based on sexual attraction. Merely a different version of the standard you're now attacking.
Post my demand based on sexual attraction.
I'm taking PA laws to they're logical conclussion.
Either apply them equally or support the premis that seperate but equal in good public policy.
Once again, you're demonstrating your lack of logic. And how utterly irrelevant your 'predictions' are with real world outcomes. If PA laws logically prohibit bathrooms based on gender, then show us all the recognized violations of PA laws caused by gendered bathrooms.
You can't. As there is no such violation. Your 'logical conclusion' was tested in the real world and failed utterly. With reality once again demonstrates that you have no idea what you're talking about. Its the same failure you ran into when you offered us the 'logical conclusion' of same sex marriage being polygamy and incest marriages.
Its been 10 years since same sex marriage began being legal in this country. And still not a single example of your 'logical conclusion'.
Laughing....but this time its different, huh?
Sexual attraction isnt' the standard of bathrooms. Gender is.
Rendering your entire analogy moot, troll.
Read the PA laws dude, you can't discriminate based on gender.
The straight male is prohibited from access simply because he "was born that way".
Your sexual orientation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You're using irrelevant criteria. The only relevant criteria is gender.
And you know it, troll.
AND YOU CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE OF GENDER UNDER PA LAWS DUMMY!
And who says that gendered bathrooms violate PA laws? You do, citing yourself.
No State or local government has ever agreed with you. And once again your claims plummet into that vast chasm between your pseudo-legal gibberish and real world outcomes.
You do understand this legal standard, Right
If locker rooms are designated for married couples, maybe then you will have a case. But locker rooms are generally segregated by gender.
If you want to pursue your dream of gender neutral locker rooms- then just go pursued the legislature.
Oh, I see, separate but equal IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
But then, it is not the couple being dioscriminated against, it's just the straight male.
PA laws prohibit the refusal by business owners, access to a use based on gender.
You either agree with the law in total, or not?
You're trolling. As you're demanding that bathrooms be based on sexual attraction. Merely a different version of the standard you're now attacking.
Post my demand based on sexual attraction.
I'm taking PA laws to they're logical conclussion.
Either apply them equally or support the premis that seperate but equal in good public policy.
Once again, you're demonstrating your lack of logic. And how utterly irrelevant your 'predictions' are with real world outcomes. If PA laws logically prohibit bathrooms based on gender, then show us all the recognized violations of PA laws caused by gendered bathrooms.
You can't. As there is no such violation. Your 'logical conclusion' was tested in the real world and failed utterly. With reality once again demonstrates that you have no idea what you're talking about. Its the same failure you ran into when you offered us the 'logical conclusion' of same sex marriage being polygamy and incest marriages.
Its been 10 years since same sex marriage began being legal in this country. And still not a single example of your 'logical conclusion'.
Laughing....but this time its different, huh?
Lol, how many were even aware of PA laws until Mr. And Mrs. Oddball wanted a cake??????
Read the PA laws dude, you can't discriminate based on gender.
The straight male is prohibited from access simply because he "was born that way".
Your sexual orientation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You're using irrelevant criteria. The only relevant criteria is gender.
And you know it, troll.
AND YOU CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE OF GENDER UNDER PA LAWS DUMMY!
And who says that gendered bathrooms violate PA laws? You do, citing yourself.
No State or local government has ever agreed with you. And once again your claims plummet into that vast chasm between your pseudo-legal gibberish and real world outcomes.
You do understand this legal standard, Right
You do realize that you don't know what you're talking about, right? That your every legal prediction has turned out to be laughably wrong? Like comically inept.
You insisted that gay marriage mandates incest marriage and poly marriage. Yet in 10 years, none of that has happened. You insist that PA laws forbid gendered bathrooms. Yet they never have.
You don't know what you're talking about, Troll. And your 'logical conclusions' are merely demonstrations of how worthless your predictions actually are.
Your sexual orientation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You're using irrelevant criteria. The only relevant criteria is gender.
And you know it, troll.
AND YOU CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE OF GENDER UNDER PA LAWS DUMMY!
And who says that gendered bathrooms violate PA laws? You do, citing yourself.
No State or local government has ever agreed with you. And once again your claims plummet into that vast chasm between your pseudo-legal gibberish and real world outcomes.
You do understand this legal standard, Right
You do realize that you don't know what you're talking about, right? That your every legal prediction has turned out to be laughably wrong? Like comically inept.
You insisted that gay marriage mandates incest marriage and poly marriage. Yet in 10 years, none of that has happened. You insist that PA laws forbid gendered bathrooms. Yet they never have.
You don't know what you're talking about, Troll. And your 'logical conclusions' are merely demonstrations of how worthless your predictions actually are.
You know lost the argument, now your crying like a child who doesn't get a piece of candy.
