The dreaded gay-wedding-cake saga ends: bakers must pay 135 K

[amrchaos]

If the cake is a wedding cake then yes, it's a sin.

How is it a sin...that is the question.

 

[mdk]

What you lose depends upon what kind of business you open. If it serves the public watch what you do, and say...

Herr speechmeister says so. Control all thought and speech. Dissent will be punished. The beatings will continue until moral improves.




1960s bumper sticker:

Time to grow up now, and understand that the We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service sign isn't actually true. If you don't like it, work for a church or a private club. They can do that.

Great way to go from suing a bakery, to owning one...

Just as a point of fact, the bakery was not sued by the couple they discriminates against, and the $135k isn't an award for them

According to this article that 135k does go the the couple.
Final order Sweet Cakes bakery must pay 135 000 to lesbian couple Local Regional KATU.com - Portland News Sports Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland Oregon

 

[BULLDOG]

Is the far left world the same as a far left drone?

You should know it is your world, the far left matrix. You know that world that is not connected to reality?

But you have expressed why the far left posts the bunk they do on this board. At least you can admit to pleasuring yourself when posting far left debunked religious dogma..

Oh shut up you dummy.

See how the far left wants others silenced when their secrets are exposed..

Or does that mean you are finished with an unhappy ending?

Now that's funny.

Just because you far left drones often have unhappy endings with your debunked religious dogma is no reason to take out on the rest of us..

I know you are really trying to make a point, and I understand your effort, but you're just dumb.

 

[Kosh]

Weddings are a particularly stressful time. Vendors can easily increase the stress, give gays an emotional price to pay that is higher than they would pay somewhere else.

Don't worry the ISIS flags on cakes have not been banned so they will be happy for a while..

Can not get a Confederate flag on a cake, but can get a gay themed cake or a cake supporting ISIS. So all is right in the far left world..

Is the far left world the same as a far left drone?

You should know it is your world, the far left matrix. You know that world that is not connected to reality?

But you have expressed why the far left posts the bunk they do on this board. At least you can admit to pleasuring yourself when posting far left debunked religious dogma..

It's not 'bunk,' it's settled and accepted Constitutional case law: the Commerce Clause authorizes public accommodations laws, those laws are Constitutional, and they in no way 'violate' religious liberty.

Consequently, it's only you and others on the angry, ridiculous right who reject that settled and accepted case law disconnected from reality.

Says the far left drone!

See how the far left wants to dictate what is and is not "hate". This is why the far left religion is the most dangerous religion on the planet.

See how they will defend someone that will only make certain cakes, especially one that has the ISIS flag on it?

Another far left post proving that they support ISIS..

 

[Kosh]

You should know it is your world, the far left matrix. You know that world that is not connected to reality?

But you have expressed why the far left posts the bunk they do on this board. At least you can admit to pleasuring yourself when posting far left debunked religious dogma..

Oh shut up you dummy.

See how the far left wants others silenced when their secrets are exposed..

Or does that mean you are finished with an unhappy ending?

Now that's funny.

Just because you far left drones often have unhappy endings with your debunked religious dogma is no reason to take out on the rest of us..

I know you are really trying to make a point, and I understand your effort, but you're just dumb.

Wrong! Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the far left and how they will come out in numbers and support ISIS, even in the form of a cake..

 

[Kosh]

Herr speechmeister says so. Control all thought and speech. Dissent will be punished. The beatings will continue until moral improves.




1960s bumper sticker:

Time to grow up now, and understand that the We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service sign isn't actually true. If you don't like it, work for a church or a private club. They can do that.

Great way to go from suing a bakery, to owning one...

Just as a point of fact, the bakery was not sued by the couple they discriminates against, and the $135k isn't an award for them

According to this article that 135k does go the the couple.
Final order Sweet Cakes bakery must pay 135 000 to lesbian couple Local Regional KATU.com - Portland News Sports Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland Oregon

Sounds like the money was what they were after and not "justice". But that is the far left way of life, goes to show why the far left support this.

 

[amrchaos]

The more I think about it, the more I realize this has nothing to do with the bakers religious rights.

He may believe gays shouldn't get married, and that belief maybe influenced by his religion. However, his religion does not instruct him to refuse service to a gay couple. That is his decision, not his religious instructions.

Nice of you to pass judgement. Now back to the real world. He had no problem serving gay people. He did have a problem being made to bake a cake for their gay wedding and having to transport it there etc etc.
His religion, his rules.

Does he have the same problem with other sinners?

If so, who are his customers?

All he had to do was bake, transport and serve a cake to a bunch of sinners, where does the religious restriction kicks in.

It does not. He has done this numerous times already. The only difference is that he has singled out the homosexuals from all the other sinners he served.

That is reality.

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh shut up you dummy.

See how the far left wants others silenced when their secrets are exposed..

Or does that mean you are finished with an unhappy ending?

Now that's funny.

Just because you far left drones often have unhappy endings with your debunked religious dogma is no reason to take out on the rest of us..

I know you are really trying to make a point, and I understand your effort, but you're just dumb.

Wrong! Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the far left and how they will come out in numbers and support ISIS, even in the form of a cake..

Yep......that's still dumb.

 

[OKTexas]

Time to appeal to the courts, the fags suffered no harm, they got their fucking cake elsewhere.

That's not how the law works.

Really, they can challenge the constitutionality of the law, because the bakers can show actual harm.

 

[Kosh]

See how the far left wants others silenced when their secrets are exposed..

Or does that mean you are finished with an unhappy ending?

Now that's funny.

Just because you far left drones often have unhappy endings with your debunked religious dogma is no reason to take out on the rest of us..

I know you are really trying to make a point, and I understand your effort, but you're just dumb.

Wrong! Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the far left and how they will come out in numbers and support ISIS, even in the form of a cake..

Yep......that's still dumb.

Yes I know you far left drones often have unhappy endings with your debunked religious dogma rants, but no reason to take it out on the rest of us..

 

[kaz]

Batshittians 3:42: "Because it was destiny that sweet cakes, Jeebus and 'ghey' would all belong within the same sentence one day in the land of Or, for the holy Spaghetti Monster foresaw it all with his longest noodle."​

Sweet Cakes final order Gresham bakery must pay 135 000 for denying service to same-sex couple OregonLive.com

Oregon Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian on Thursday ordered the owners of a former Gresham bakery to pay $135,000 in damages to a lesbian couple for refusing to make them a wedding cake.

Avakian's ruling upheld a preliminary finding earlier this year that the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa had discriminated against the women on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Bakery owners Melissa and Aaron Klein cited their Christian beliefs against same-sex marriage in denying service. The case ignited a long-running skirmish in the nation's culture wars, pitting civil rights advocates against religious freedom proponents who argued business owners should have the right to refuse services for gay and lesbian weddings.

Avakian's final order makes clear that serving potential customers equally trumps the Kleins' religious beliefs. Under Oregon law, businesses cannot discriminate or refuse service based on sexual orientation, just as they cannot turn customers away because of race, sex, disability, age or religion, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries said in a news release.

"This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage," Avakian wrote. "It is about a business's refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal.

"Within Oregon's public accommodations law is the basic principle of human decency that every person, regardless of their sexual orientation, has the freedom to fully participate in society. The ability to enter public places, to shop, to dine, to move about unfettered by bigotry."

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So, when do the cries of evil, evil, evil ZOG persecution begin?
And when will this all be Obama's fault?
And when does the GoFundMe account go up?
Anyone know how much delicious icing 135 K can buy?

No mudslinging, folks! But you may throw delicious icing.

Yes, clearly the purpose of guns in a free country is not for citizens to have the right to defend themselves, it's for government to have the power to compel it's citizens to bake cakes for each other

 

[kaz]

Time to appeal to the courts, the fags suffered no harm, they got their fucking cake elsewhere.

That's not how the law works.

Really, they can challenge the constitutionality of the law, because the bakers can show actual harm.

When you start your own business, that means you work for government, didn't you know that?

 

[ogibillm]

Herr speechmeister says so. Control all thought and speech. Dissent will be punished. The beatings will continue until moral improves.




1960s bumper sticker:

Time to grow up now, and understand that the We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service sign isn't actually true. If you don't like it, work for a church or a private club. They can do that.

Great way to go from suing a bakery, to owning one...

Just as a point of fact, the bakery was not sued by the couple they discriminates against, and the $135k isn't an award for them

According to this article that 135k does go the the couple.
Final order Sweet Cakes bakery must pay 135 000 to lesbian couple Local Regional KATU.com - Portland News Sports Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland Oregon

My mistake. But they were not the plaintiffs in the case, correct?

 

[kaz]

Well, you break the law, you get fined.

Suppose socons get through a law that fines people $10K for getting an abortion, would you have the same answer?

 

[OKTexas]

Time to appeal to the courts,

exactly, is there a law there that says "must" or "shall" bake ?

and why are they not protected against such stupid actions by the
Fourteenth Amendment ? in addition, it forbids states from denying any person "life, liberty or property, without due process of law"


A phrase in the Fourteenth Amendment to the UnitedStates Constitution requiring that states guarantee thesame rights, privileges, and protections to all citizens.This doctrine reinforces that of due process of law and prevents states from passing or enforcing laws that arbitrarily discriminate against anyone.

can anyone right or left explain why those fags were given $135,000.00 by a discriminating court ?

Time to appeal to the courts, the fags suffered no harm, they got their fucking cake elsewhere.

And this is an example of the hate and ignorance that warrants public accommodations regulatory measures.

Those hostile to gay Americans in matters of commerce will find no relief in the courts, where public accommodations laws have been consistently upheld as necessary, proper, and Constitutional as authorized by the Commerce Clause (Heart of Atlanta Motel v. US), and such necessary, proper, and Constitutional laws cannot be ignored or violated with the notion of 'religious liberty' as an 'excuse' or 'justification' to do so.

As a fact of law the gay patrons were in fact harmed, and that they might find a similar product from another provider is irrelevant, as the issue concerns regulating the markets, that refusing to accommodate patrons because of sexual orientation is disruptive to the local market and all other related markets, subject to government regulation (Wickard v. Filburn).

Can the law force a Christian pastor to participate in a faghadist wedding?

 

[NYcarbineer]

By the way

How is baking a cake to be used in a gay wedding against any Christian principle?

I am asking because I really don't see how their religious right/belief are in conflict with making that cake. Is it a sin to bake a cake for sinners?

It's not. The new belief on the right is that any thing you wish to believe and claim as religion can exempt you from any laws against it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Time to appeal to the courts,

exactly, is there a law there that says "must" or "shall" bake ?

and why are they not protected against such stupid actions by the
Fourteenth Amendment ? in addition, it forbids states from denying any person "life, liberty or property, without due process of law"


A phrase in the Fourteenth Amendment to the UnitedStates Constitution requiring that states guarantee thesame rights, privileges, and protections to all citizens.This doctrine reinforces that of due process of law and prevents states from passing or enforcing laws that arbitrarily discriminate against anyone.

can anyone right or left explain why those fags were given $135,000.00 by a discriminating court ?

Time to appeal to the courts, the fags suffered no harm, they got their fucking cake elsewhere.

And this is an example of the hate and ignorance that warrants public accommodations regulatory measures.

Those hostile to gay Americans in matters of commerce will find no relief in the courts, where public accommodations laws have been consistently upheld as necessary, proper, and Constitutional as authorized by the Commerce Clause (Heart of Atlanta Motel v. US), and such necessary, proper, and Constitutional laws cannot be ignored or violated with the notion of 'religious liberty' as an 'excuse' or 'justification' to do so.

As a fact of law the gay patrons were in fact harmed, and that they might find a similar product from another provider is irrelevant, as the issue concerns regulating the markets, that refusing to accommodate patrons because of sexual orientation is disruptive to the local market and all other related markets, subject to government regulation (Wickard v. Filburn).

Can the law force a Christian pastor to participate in a faghadist wedding?

If you understood the law you wouldn't have to ask that.

 

[Iceweasel]

Is Christianity a race, or a behavior?

It's neither, it's a faith. Many came here seeking religious freedoms and is a major foundation of our system of government. Or it was.

So it's not a race; it's a choice of lifestyle. Just like homosexuality.

What "lifestyle" constitutes christianity. Is "lifestyle" protected by the First Amendment? Is religion?

Religion has limited protections under the 1st Amendment. For example, we don't allow human sacrifice as part of a religious ritual.

Get it?

Lame. Obviously that violates someone else rights. There's no right to make a business do something against their moral objections. I turned down work for Planned Parenthood. Should I be fined or in jail?

 

[OKTexas]

Time to appeal to the courts, the fags suffered no harm, they got their fucking cake elsewhere.

That's not how the law works.

Really, they can challenge the constitutionality of the law, because the bakers can show actual harm.

When you start your own business, that means you work for government, didn't you know that?

Not really.

 

[Iceweasel]

By the way

How is baking a cake to be used in a gay wedding against any Christian principle?

I am asking because I really don't see how their religious right/belief are in conflict with making that cake. Is it a sin to bake a cake for sinners?

It's not. The new belief on the right is that any thing you wish to believe and claim as religion can exempt you from any laws against it.

That's a lie.