The Failure of Gun Control Comes Home

[Brain357]

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

 

[turtledude]

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

 

[Brain357]

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

 

[turtledude]

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

 

[Brain357]

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

 

[turtledude]

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

gun control in the USA has done nothing positive but then again decreasing crime is not what really motivates GC advocates

this is what motivates the gun hate leaders

1) to pander to weak minded, slow witted voters who want SOMETHING DONE about crime and pushing gun control rather than hurting Democrat constituents (criminals) is easier for the Democrat and some GOP pimps in office

2) to punish pro gun voters who generally vote against liberals

3) to suck money away from the NRA and other pro rights groups so they are limited in their support of pro freedom=anti socialist candidates

 

[Ernie S.]

"Gun control" is neither our problem nor our solution.

Gun fetishism -- that's our problem.

There's no gun fetishism, but there is a gun culture.

 

[Ernie S.]

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

And countries with fewer hammers have fewer hammer crime rates. Guns are to tool. The do make killing more efficient, but there needs to be a killer with his finger on the trigger to make the gun a statistic.
Infringing the rights of every gun owner is like confiscating every car because there are too many drunk driving deaths.
Without guns, my wife, then 8 months pregnant would have been raped and I would have been stabbed by an armed robber. What would be worse? That, or me carrying a concealed weapon that I may have to use once every 20 years or so to ward off an attack, 80% of the time without firing a shot.

 

[Brain357]

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

gun control in the USA has done nothing positive but then again decreasing crime is not what really motivates GC advocates

this is what motivates the gun hate leaders

1) to pander to weak minded, slow witted voters who want SOMETHING DONE about crime and pushing gun control rather than hurting Democrat constituents (criminals) is easier for the Democrat and some GOP pimps in office

2) to punish pro gun voters who generally vote against liberals

3) to suck money away from the NRA and other pro rights groups so they are limited in their support of pro freedom=anti socialist candidates

Well we have lots of holes in our gun control. A city might have strict laws, but it's easy to go to the next city. We have background checks on new gun sales, but it's easy to buy a gun without one in a private sale.

 

[Brain357]

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

And countries with fewer hammers have fewer hammer crime rates. Guns are to tool. The do make killing more efficient, but there needs to be a killer with his finger on the trigger to make the gun a statistic.
Infringing the rights of every gun owner is like confiscating every car because there are too many drunk driving deaths.
Without guns, my wife, then 8 months pregnant would have been raped and I would have been stabbed by an armed robber. What would be worse? That, or me carrying a concealed weapon that I may have to use once every 20 years or so to ward off an attack, 80% of the time without firing a shot.

You seem to have a lot of uses for your gun. Think it is mostly from owning a bar? I've never had to use one.

 

[turtledude]

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

gun control in the USA has done nothing positive but then again decreasing crime is not what really motivates GC advocates

this is what motivates the gun hate leaders

1) to pander to weak minded, slow witted voters who want SOMETHING DONE about crime and pushing gun control rather than hurting Democrat constituents (criminals) is easier for the Democrat and some GOP pimps in office

2) to punish pro gun voters who generally vote against liberals

3) to suck money away from the NRA and other pro rights groups so they are limited in their support of pro freedom=anti socialist candidates

Well we have lots of holes in our gun control. A city might have strict laws, but it's easy to go to the next city. We have background checks on new gun sales, but it's easy to buy a gun without one in a private sale.

the laws only prevent honest people from getting guns

and that is what most gun banners want

 

[Brain357]

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

gun control in the USA has done nothing positive but then again decreasing crime is not what really motivates GC advocates

this is what motivates the gun hate leaders

1) to pander to weak minded, slow witted voters who want SOMETHING DONE about crime and pushing gun control rather than hurting Democrat constituents (criminals) is easier for the Democrat and some GOP pimps in office

2) to punish pro gun voters who generally vote against liberals

3) to suck money away from the NRA and other pro rights groups so they are limited in their support of pro freedom=anti socialist candidates

Well we have lots of holes in our gun control. A city might have strict laws, but it's easy to go to the next city. We have background checks on new gun sales, but it's easy to buy a gun without one in a private sale.

the laws only prevent honest people from getting guns

and that is what most gun banners want

Which honest people are prevented from getting a gun?

 

[turtledude]

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

gun control in the USA has done nothing positive but then again decreasing crime is not what really motivates GC advocates

this is what motivates the gun hate leaders

1) to pander to weak minded, slow witted voters who want SOMETHING DONE about crime and pushing gun control rather than hurting Democrat constituents (criminals) is easier for the Democrat and some GOP pimps in office

2) to punish pro gun voters who generally vote against liberals

3) to suck money away from the NRA and other pro rights groups so they are limited in their support of pro freedom=anti socialist candidates

Well we have lots of holes in our gun control. A city might have strict laws, but it's easy to go to the next city. We have background checks on new gun sales, but it's easy to buy a gun without one in a private sale.

the laws only prevent honest people from getting guns

and that is what most gun banners want

Which honest people are prevented from getting a gun?

anyone who lived in Chicago or DC

Anyone who wants to buy a modern assault rifle

 

[Pogo]

"Gun control" is neither our problem nor our solution.

Gun fetishism -- that's our problem.

There's no gun fetishism, but there is a gun culture.

Well you're half right. They're the same thing.
Or to be technically correct, the latter is the inevitable product of the former. But neither exists without the other.

 

[Brain357]

That's pretty much what I said. While it has decreased gun crimes, it has not decreased crime. So rather than murder with a gun it switches to a knife.

gun control in the USA has done nothing positive but then again decreasing crime is not what really motivates GC advocates

this is what motivates the gun hate leaders

1) to pander to weak minded, slow witted voters who want SOMETHING DONE about crime and pushing gun control rather than hurting Democrat constituents (criminals) is easier for the Democrat and some GOP pimps in office

2) to punish pro gun voters who generally vote against liberals

3) to suck money away from the NRA and other pro rights groups so they are limited in their support of pro freedom=anti socialist candidates

Well we have lots of holes in our gun control. A city might have strict laws, but it's easy to go to the next city. We have background checks on new gun sales, but it's easy to buy a gun without one in a private sale.

the laws only prevent honest people from getting guns

and that is what most gun banners want

Which honest people are prevented from getting a gun?

anyone who lived in Chicago or DC

Anyone who wants to buy a modern assault rifle

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they both just ban handguns? So you could still get a gun. But you have a point about a few cities.

Who needs a modern assault rifle?

 

[Pogo]

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's the angle you wish to argue, but maybe, just maybe, that's not the only angle.

Consider that that hypothetical country with fewer firearms -- doesn't have fewer because it's mandated to have fewer, but because they're simply not the obsession there that they are here. In other words their law doesn't cause that dearth of firearms; rather it follows and reflects that sentiment that preceded it.

Follow me? In other words the same reason guns are scarce is the reason the law exists, and that is that in both cases the citizenry doesn't want them around. The law and the not-having of them are two manifestations of the same sentiment.

I think you might be looking at a result (the law) and calling it a causation, when it's the other way round.

 

[Pogo]

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

Onus is on you to prove that I have ever made such a claim so until you do you will remain the clueless one.

OK so you agree that gun control will not reduce crime.
Then what the fuck is your problem?

Onus is on you to prove that I ever made that claim, clueless one.

You get that too huh?

To almost-quote that old sage Jerry Lee Lewis --- whole lotta strawmannin' goin' on.
It's what bad listeners do while they're going

 

[Esmeralda]

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

please provide a reliable source for this claim

 

[turtledude]

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

please provide a reliable source for this claim

GIYLF

 

[turtledude]

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that

How about you share some kind of link? White European countries seems to have lower rates of gun homicides.

you constantly attempt to debate gun issues with us. You should know that it is black inner city gun violence that causes our supposedly high rate of gun violence. We white americans-who have the largest percentage of legally armed private civilians in the known first world, don't have many problems with guns. SO "SOLUTIONS" that are intended or have the affect of limiting our gun ownership have no merit when it comes to crime control

We are discussing the fact that countries with few guns have lower gun crime rates. Now if you can post something to dispute that please do, but so far you have nothing as usual.

no we are discussing the myth that increased gun control in the USA will decrease crime

That's the angle you wish to argue, but maybe, just maybe, that's not the only angle.

Consider that that hypothetical country with fewer firearms -- doesn't have fewer because it's mandated to have fewer, but because they're simply not the obsession there that they are here. In other words their law doesn't cause that dearth of firearms; rather it follows and reflects that sentiment that preceded it.

Follow me? In other words the same reason guns are scarce is the reason the law exists, and that is that in both cases the citizenry doesn't want them around. The law and the not-having of them are two manifestations of the same sentiment.

I think you might be looking at a result (the law) and calling it a causation, when it's the other way round.

I think your argument has no merit