The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

[bigrebnc1775]

The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

Read more: The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS - TIME

ernment agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

That is the bizarre — and scary — rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.

It is a dangerous decision — one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.

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The judges veered into offensiveness when they explained why Pineda-Moreno's driveway was not private. It was open to strangers, they said, such as delivery people and neighborhood children, who could wander across it uninvited.

Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night.

You want to know another group that is not open to strangers? Rednecks.

Anyone walking onto their property to stick a GPS on their truck is liable to get shot, which is the real reason they want to take away your right to bear arms.

You got that right dead on target

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This really isn't so terribly new.

The Government has been secretly tracking your every movement via your cell phone for a decade. And what do you think OnStar does?

The internet is a giant trap, invented by the military and then given away free to private industry. It allows the government more and more access to ridiculous volumes of personal information, the more you use it, the more they know.

So it is in the governments interest that everybody on earth with a brain capable of doing so use mobile e-devises as their exclusive media for transactions, communications and information resources.

It is exactly like the television that watches you that George Orwell featured in 1984.

And when the law forbids it, they do it anyway and change the law later granting retro immunity.

I get a kick out of the US reaction to China's censorship of Google. As if google was benign.

Google is a data mining industry as capable of collecting data on it's users as it is capable of providing data for them. And it does it in .23 seconds/query.

And Google DOES data mine it's own users. It even has plans to automatically profile it's users and deliver customized services to them. It warns the centers for disease control about diseases before any public official realizes an outbreak has occurred. Automatically!

Google collects more data on the public than it provides for the public.

WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS FREE?

They know more about you than you know about you, and you know nothing about them.

Like 1984.

Which is why I disable the tracking cookies and anonymize the ones I cannot disable. It makes it a little inconvenient when using some services, but it is worth it to me for my privacy.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Cons defended BushCo's right to listen to their phone calls.

no, we didn't, you stupid fuck.

Perhaps you did not but many did. and the 2 major telcos that illegally provided info to the Bush Admin got immunity put into a bill somewhere.

You talking about the bill Obama supported and signed?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This was the most "Liberal" Court in the U.S. which ruled in favor of this Government abuse. So can we still even call these people Liberals anymore? No true Liberal would ever support such Government abuse. I would have to call these people Socialists/Progressives instead. It's time to remove the Liberal label. True Liberals would be outraged over this ruling.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Tremendously bad decision.

I can't agree. There is no expectation of privacy as it pertains to the location of your phone, your car, nor where you use your federally regulated bank account. There actually never has been. This is not a situation where due process was not followed, so I really don't see the issue (as it pertains to law and Constitutionality).

This is just a more efficient way of manually tailing a criminal suspect during a stakeout of his known residence.

How do you figure that?

An interesting note here is that SCOTUS is going to have to rule on this issue, because the 4th ruled exactly the opposite in a similar case.

Repeated visits to a church, a gym, a bar, or a bookie tell a story not told by any single visit, as does one’s not visiting any of these places over the course of a month. The sequence of a person’s movements can reveal still more; a single trip to a gynecologist’s office tells little about a woman, but that trip followed a few weeks later by a visit to a baby supply store tells a different story.*

Having tracked Jones’s movements for a month, the Government used the resulting pattern — not just the location of a particular ―stash house or Jones’s movements on any one trip or even day — as evidence of Jones‘s involvement in the cocaine trafficking business. The pattern the Government would document with the GPS data was central to its presentation of the case.

Appeals Court Rules Against Secret Police GPS Tracking | Threat Level | Wired.com

The continuous snooping over a period of time amounts to an invasion of privacy because it can be used to determine information that is private in nature. It is also impossible to actually track anyone like this without a GPS device, despite what you see in movies.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea you have absolutely no right to expect privacy in your own driveway. My God,what is happening to our nation? This what the most "Liberal" Court in America supports? These cretins aren't Liberals. No Liberal i know would support this kind of Government abuse. Those who are cheering for this ruling are not Liberals. They are Socialist/Progressive Goose Steppers instead. The Liberal label needs to be redefined and applied properly. I see no Liberalism with this shocking ruling.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

As long as your phone is turned on it reports your location.

Not if you leave it at home.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I am waiting for the, if your not doing anything wrong, you have reason to worry about this, defense. Which makes me wonder why the government is doing it, if I haven't done anything to this point.

I recall that argument being used against me by many on the right when I spoke up about the patriot act...

Which made everyone of them wrong.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

this case is disturbing....it effectively allows the state to trespass onto your property (curtilage as the majority calls it) and attach a tracking device. now, there are other cases that allow tracking devices if the device was place on the vehicle while the vehicle is in a public place. however, a dc circuit just struck that down. so now there is a split in the courts and i believe this will go to the scotus.

this case and its trespassing is simply unbelievable and dangerous. the dissent (rehearing dissent so you had the full panel which explains why there are more judges) absolutely rips the majority a new asshole. that doesn't happen very happen.

http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page....fco20100812145

a good read

Think it through a little. You have no right to privacy between the street and your front door when someone (anyone) wants to solicit you. You have to take steps to secure your front door if you wish it to be part of your private space. You can do this by putting a gate in your driveway.

Also if you don't want the police to tag your car without your knowledge, park it in the garage. If you don't have a garage, well that's a choice you made. You also have the right to be secure in your space and that means you can put a camera on your car. Then you'll know if the police did this without your knowledge.

I can tell you with authority that if someone wants to solicit you they have a right to walk through your gate and knock on your front door. That does not give the police the right to walk onto your property and stick a microphone on your house to listen to you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That must be why I see a plain black car following me all the time...

Conspicuously take pictures of the people in it. We have a right to monitor them too.

Not according to police.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

think so.

A guy was recently arrested in WA for a murder that he committed in CA. He was tied to the scene of the crime via a cell phone which he didn't use at the crime scene.

He was then tracked to his flat in Seattle using the same cellphone.

Umm you definately do not have to use them, just have them turned on. No calls need to be placed or recieved. Still not sure if they xmit when powered down or not.

They do.

Just like OnStar does.

Some do, some do not.

 

[Yurt]

this case is disturbing....it effectively allows the state to trespass onto your property (curtilage as the majority calls it) and attach a tracking device. now, there are other cases that allow tracking devices if the device was place on the vehicle while the vehicle is in a public place. however, a dc circuit just struck that down. so now there is a split in the courts and i believe this will go to the scotus.

this case and its trespassing is simply unbelievable and dangerous. the dissent (rehearing dissent so you had the full panel which explains why there are more judges) absolutely rips the majority a new asshole. that doesn't happen very happen.

http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page....fco20100812145

a good read

Think it through a little. You have no right to privacy between the street and your front door when someone (anyone) wants to solicit you. You have to take steps to secure your front door if you wish it to be part of your private space. You can do this by putting a gate in your driveway.

Also if you don't want the police to tag your car without your knowledge, park it in the garage. If you don't have a garage, well that's a choice you made. You also have the right to be secure in your space and that means you can put a camera on your car. Then you'll know if the police did this without your knowledge.

this is one of the nuttiest things i've read here

not anyone can solicit you, especially if you have a no solicit sign. regardless, they are still trespassing. according to you, in order for americans to have their land in the front of their house private we all have to erect fences. that is crazy talk. i am positive if you were to poll people the vast majority would say they have an expectation of privacy in their front yard, especially from teh government putting a gps device on the car.

btw...the courts are split on this issue, so it is far from over

 

[uscitizen]

this case is disturbing....it effectively allows the state to trespass onto your property (curtilage as the majority calls it) and attach a tracking device. now, there are other cases that allow tracking devices if the device was place on the vehicle while the vehicle is in a public place. however, a dc circuit just struck that down. so now there is a split in the courts and i believe this will go to the scotus.

this case and its trespassing is simply unbelievable and dangerous. the dissent (rehearing dissent so you had the full panel which explains why there are more judges) absolutely rips the majority a new asshole. that doesn't happen very happen.

http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page....fco20100812145

a good read

Think it through a little. You have no right to privacy between the street and your front door when someone (anyone) wants to solicit you. You have to take steps to secure your front door if you wish it to be part of your private space. You can do this by putting a gate in your driveway.

Also if you don't want the police to tag your car without your knowledge, park it in the garage. If you don't have a garage, well that's a choice you made. You also have the right to be secure in your space and that means you can put a camera on your car. Then you'll know if the police did this without your knowledge.

I can tell you with authority that if someone wants to solicit you they have a right to walk through your gate and knock on your front door. That does not give the police the right to walk onto your property and stick a microphone on your house to listen to you.

Not if you clearly post No soliciting signs.

 

[Sinatra]

Word is the government has already tracked ABikerSailor and Huggy's Moves...

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[uscitizen]

Glad I did not watch that.

 

[Dr.House]

Umm you definately do not have to use them, just have them turned on. No calls need to be placed or recieved. Still not sure if they xmit when powered down or not.

They do.

Just like OnStar does.

Some do, some do not.

Mitch Rapp always takes out the battery!

 

[uscitizen]

Actually I do not worry about it.
They wanna waste their time tracking me have at it.
I just went to get my morphine pump refilled btw.
and I don't give a rats ass who knows.

The drug punks around here wont mess with the crazy vietnam vet down the road they know I will shoot their ass.

 

[Sinatra]

Glad I did not watch that.

No love for ABikerSailor and Huggy????



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[Mr Natural]

I love these delusional assholes who think they're so almighty important that the government wants to track their movements.

Get over yourselves.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I love these delusional assholes who think they're so almighty important that the government wants to track their movements.

Get over yourselves.

It has nothing to do with importance, it's all about the control. But according to you the people in N. Korea, China Iran are pretty damn important.