The Great Covid-19 Hoax

[SweetSue92]

What a fucking moron you are, and all who think like you.

Influenza season runs September to April; 48,000 deaths over 8 months is just a little bit fucking different than 43,000 deaths in six weeks.

You really don’t deserve the resources your fat stupid worthless fucking lump of flesh consumes every day. I hope you get covid19 and die.

Ouch and some think I’m mean and nasty.

Every day I am learning new stories of wonderful people dying from this horrible illness - and many of them are doctors and nurses and other essential workers keeping life going for the rest of us.

I have no more sympathy or understanding or tolerance for scum like the scum that populates much of this board. I understand that there are some good people here and it’s the only reason I’ve stayed over the years - but I will no longer bite my tongue when it comes to the scum. I don’t care if this kind of person dies. I care more about actual pond scum than I do about these kinds of people. They destroy the environment and civic discourse and I have laughed at all of the stories of covid19 deniers dying of covid19; there is little pleasure to be found in a pandemic, but at least there is THAT.

Look in the mirror at who actually wished this virus on a political enemy. Be careful with that name-calling. You will be measured with the measuring rod you use. That's Bible knowledge for you.

 

[SweetSue92]

Bosox was a little harsh but she's got a point.

You fuckers ought to run down to the nearest Emergency room and commence to huggin some virus sufferers and get your hear immunity on.

But you won't. You'll just advocate that other people even dumber than you do stupid shit that will endanger their lives...and ours

I'm fairly shocked that this site allows you to post that crap

This from an asshole who admits to yelling obscenities in a store with children present because someone dared to not wear a mask. Yeah you can STFU and continue hiding under the bed.

Did he really? What an absolute menopausal Karen

 

[SweetSue92]

Some media sources claim it’s really bad and others claim it’s similar to the flu. There is a great deal of conflicting information. So, it’s anyone’s guess.

I know several people who have gotten it.

One had what amounts to a three day cold (age 67). Two ended up with pneumonia(late 40s and early 50s) and some really weird symptoms not normally associated with the flu. They are still VERY sick...three weeks in

One is in his 20s and has a bad flu like course

The last was over 70. He just came off a ventilator is expected to survive. It was close

All but the first said it had a way of turning on a dime. Near recovery to pneumonia in like an hour

Everyone I know who has it has recovered, including my aunt in her early 80s. I'm in a hot zone.

 

[Hellbilly]

Some media sources claim it’s really bad and others claim it’s similar to the flu. There is a great deal of conflicting information. So, it’s anyone’s guess.

I know several people who have gotten it.

One had what amounts to a three day cold (age 67). Two ended up with pneumonia(late 40s and early 50s) and some really weird symptoms not normally associated with the flu. They are still VERY sick...three weeks in

One is in his 20s and has a bad flu like course

The last was over 70. He just came off a ventilator is expected to survive. It was close

All but the first said it had a way of turning on a dime. Near recovery to pneumonia in like an hour

Everyone I know who has it has recovered, including my aunt in her early 80s. I'm in a hot zone.

There are over 45,000 who haven’t.

 

[gipper]

Some media sources claim it’s really bad and others claim it’s similar to the flu. There is a great deal of conflicting information. So, it’s anyone’s guess.

I know several people who have gotten it.

One had what amounts to a three day cold (age 67). Two ended up with pneumonia(late 40s and early 50s) and some really weird symptoms not normally associated with the flu. They are still VERY sick...three weeks in

One is in his 20s and has a bad flu like course

The last was over 70. He just came off a ventilator is expected to survive. It was close

All but the first said it had a way of turning on a dime. Near recovery to pneumonia in like an hour

Everyone I know who has it has recovered, including my aunt in her early 80s. I'm in a hot zone.

There are over 45,000 who haven’t.

If you believe the government which smart people seldom do, due to their decades of lying.

 

[SweetSue92]

Some media sources claim it’s really bad and others claim it’s similar to the flu. There is a great deal of conflicting information. So, it’s anyone’s guess.

I know several people who have gotten it.

One had what amounts to a three day cold (age 67). Two ended up with pneumonia(late 40s and early 50s) and some really weird symptoms not normally associated with the flu. They are still VERY sick...three weeks in

One is in his 20s and has a bad flu like course

The last was over 70. He just came off a ventilator is expected to survive. It was close

All but the first said it had a way of turning on a dime. Near recovery to pneumonia in like an hour

Everyone I know who has it has recovered, including my aunt in her early 80s. I'm in a hot zone.

There are over 45,000 who haven’t.

The question is not how many people died. I think you are all lighting your hair on fire by calling us Nazis and terrorists because you want to avoid the critical question:

Was the threat worth the massive, life-altering shutdown?

The problem is that, being Leftists, you didn't wait and take a measured approach. Like screeching menopausal Karens off their meds, you screamed at everyone straight away. So you have staked your claim....and the Devil take the hindmost. Well, good luck with THAT

 

[Hellbilly]

Some media sources claim it’s really bad and others claim it’s similar to the flu. There is a great deal of conflicting information. So, it’s anyone’s guess.

I know several people who have gotten it.

One had what amounts to a three day cold (age 67). Two ended up with pneumonia(late 40s and early 50s) and some really weird symptoms not normally associated with the flu. They are still VERY sick...three weeks in

One is in his 20s and has a bad flu like course

The last was over 70. He just came off a ventilator is expected to survive. It was close

All but the first said it had a way of turning on a dime. Near recovery to pneumonia in like an hour

Everyone I know who has it has recovered, including my aunt in her early 80s. I'm in a hot zone.

There are over 45,000 who haven’t.

If you believe the government which smart people seldom do, due to their decades of lying.

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[Lesh]

The problem is that, being Leftists, you didn't wait and take a measured approach.

I wonder what the death toll would have been had Cuomo "taken a measured approach" and waited another week before shutting down.

50,000 dead instead of 20,000?. Talk to me when they start carting the dead out of nursing homes and VA hospitals near you

Like screeching menopausal Karens off their meds

Wear your fucking mask KAREN. Stay the fuck HOME unless you have to go out

 

[XponentialChaos]

The flu kills an average of 4,700 New Yorkers every year.

4,700 New Yorkers died of the coronavirus in the last week.

This isn't the flu.

LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

I don't know, but it's not worth subscribing to find out.

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By
Lenny Bernstein and
Frances Stead Sellers
April 19, 2020 at 2:50 p.m. EDT
Soon after he repurposed his 60-bed cardiac unit to accommodate covid-19 patients, Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon John Puskas was stumped: With nearly all the beds now occupied by victims of the novel coronavirus, where had all the heart patients gone? Even those left almost speechless by crushing chest pain weren’t coming through the ER.
Variations on that question have puzzled clinicians not only in New York, the most severe area of the U.S. outbreak, but across the country and in Spain, the United Kingdom and China. Five weeks into a nationwide coronavirus lockdown, many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research.
“Everybody is frightened to come to the ER,” Puskas said.

Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear.
Evert Eriksson, trauma medical director at the Medical University of South Carolina, described a man in his 20s who tried to ignore the growing pain in his belly, toughing it out at home with the aid of over-the-counter painkillers. By the time he showed up at the Charleston hospital, perhaps 10 days after he should have, he had developed a large abscess, one that was gnawing through the muscle in his abdominal wall.
A fairly routine surgery and a night in the hospital had become a lengthy and difficult inpatient stay, with doctors operating and using antibiotics to control the widespread infection, according to Eriksson. Only after they succeed in vanquishing the infection can they address the appendix itself.

“That’s going to be a real wound-care challenge for him moving forward,” said Eriksson, who is caring for the patient. “He said to me he could [imagine] the virus crawling on the hospital. He was just scared to come.”
At MUSC, Eriksson’s general surgery floor, which has 20 beds, housed as few as three people for two to three weeks, he said. Now the census is back over 20.
“What we’re seeing is late presentation,” he said. “I would say 70 percent of the appendicitis on my service right now are late presentations. What happens when you present late with appendicitis is, we can’t operate on you safely.”
Yet the 700-bed hospital is only about 60 percent full because, like most facilities, MUSC discharged everyone it could to make room for the expected coronavirus surge. So far, that hasn’t materialized. The hospital has not had more than 10 covid-19 patients admitted at any time, he said.
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“We have five covid patients in the hospital right now, and we have five appendicitis cases” with complications from waiting too long to come in for care, Eriksson said.
Much of the reporting about missing patients is anecdotal — in medical chat rooms and on doctors’ social media accounts. Doctors say it’s unlikely there has been a decline in most of these conditions, which suggests that at least a few people may be dying at home, although there is no data yet to corroborate that.
In the case of severe heart attacks, the evidence is mounting that a large percentage of patients with symptoms that typically prompt urgent interventions are simply not showing up.

A report to be published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on nine high-volume cardiac catheterization labs across the country found a 38 percent drop in patients being treated for a life-threatening event known as a STEMI — the blockage of one of the major arteries that supplies oxygen-rich blood to the heart. The study compared what happened this past March, when covid-19 cases were climbing, with the treatments delivered from Jan. 1, 2019, through February 2020.
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Those results — from hospitals across the country — are counterintuitive, physicians say. The stress caused by the pandemic would lead them to anticipate an increase in heart attacks. Covid-19 is also an inflammatory disease that can damage the heart muscle.
“We should have higher incidences of these events, but we are seeing dramatically fewer in the hospital system,” Puskas said. “That has to mean they are at home or in the morgue.”

A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
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Covid-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death
With elective surgeries on hold, many hospitals such as Brigham and Women’s in Boston have found themselves trading treatment of traditional heart attacks for the complex assaults the novel coronavirus is making on the organ and the body’s ability to clot blood.
“People with smaller heart attacks, they may say, ‘Well I hope this is just indigestion,’ ” said Gregory Piazza, one of the hospital’s cardiovascular specialists.

At MUSC, another doctor worried that mild stroke patients are enduring symptoms such as numbness, loss of sensation or weakness on one side of the body at home. Symptoms of small strokes can be transient, but they also can be warnings of larger strokes to come.
MUSC, a major stroke center, averaged 550 calls per month over the past four months about possible stroke patients from the 45 to 50 emergency rooms that refer patients. But it has seen just 100 in the first half of April, said Alex Spiotta, director of neurovascular surgery. Phone calls from patients to MUSC’s telestroke program dropped from as many as 20 daily to about nine in mid-April.
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“That’s literally patients and their families who fear that it’s dangerous” to go to the hospital, he said. “We are worried that there might be a higher death toll from neglect of other diseases” than from covid-19.

At the University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Comprehensive Stroke Center, the March census of stroke patients is down almost 30 percent from February’s, said Ralph Sacco, chairman of neurology and former president of the American Academy of Neurology.
“What we would surmise is that more mild to moderate cases are not calling 911 or are afraid to come into the hospitals,” Sacco said.
Hospitals are beginning to reach out to the public through social media and public service announcements to ease fears about hospital safety.
“We’ve changed what we do,” to keep patients safe from the virus, Sacco said. “But we’re still able to care for people.”
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The possibility that patients may be suffering — and even dying — at home rather than going to a hospital led the American College of Cardiology to launch a “Cardiosmart” campaign last week, attempting to reassure a wary population and encourage those with symptoms to call 911 for urgent care and to continue routine appointments, through telemedicine when practical: “Hospitals have safety measures to protect you from infection,” it reads.

“The emphasis here is safety,” said Harlan Krumholz, a cardiologist and health care researcher at Yale University and Yale New Haven Hospital, who advised on the campaign. “We want to make sure preventable deaths aren’t happening.”
There is no pill, no action, no behavior, he said, that could account for the almost 40 percent drop in STEMI patients. “We don’t have a means to cut your risk in half,” he said. “Not even primary angioplasty or stopping smoking.”
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Still, the shift has many doctors looking for other explanations, including the massive behavioral overhaul caused by the lockdown.
MUSC has seen a steep drop in trauma from car accidents, for example, because fewer people are driving, but no reduction in domestic violence or assaults among people who don’t live together, Eriksson said.
Many people who suffer from exertional angina are now sitting at home rather than climbing the subway stairs every day, and the threshold of discomfort that would drive them to seek care is probably far higher.
Joseph Puma, an interventional cardiologist at Mount Sinai, said he believes multiple changes created by the lockdown may be playing a role, including a decrease in air pollution and fewer high-fat restaurant meals after work.
“The plaques in arteries have not gone away,” he said. “You can argue that forced behavioral modifications may have taken away the triggers” that release them into the bloodstream.
And these days, some people who suffer cardiac arrests never make it to a hospital in New York, where EMTs and paramedics transport patients only if their pulse returns after CPR or defibrillation.
Puskas, the Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon, whose unit is now occupied entirely by covid-19 patients, suspects a few of the heart patients may not be missing but right there among the most seriously ill people in his new unit.
The virus strikes most harshly among people suffering from diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure — the very same conditions that predispose people to strokes and heart attacks and that are most prevalent among blacks and Hispanics.
“Some of them may be under our noses,” he said.
The role those factors may be playing will emerge over time from studies and shoe-leather epidemiology. But for now, Krumholz said, the key is to make sure people with symptoms overcome their fears and get prompt treatment that may save their lives or avoid long-term complications.
“Don’t delay,” he said.
Scott Clement and Emily Guskin contributed to this report.
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Thanks. Well your article kind of answers your own question, doesn't it?

You: "LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid? "

Article: "many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research."

"A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
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Wrong as I already explained this, see heart patients have 2 choices

1. Go to the hospital
2. Go straight to the morgue

Heart surgery is never optional, so they went to the hospital and were killed to up the covid numbers

Ok. Then I'm not sure why you're providing a link to an article that you disagree with.

The article seems pretty reasonable to me. People are afraid of going in because they don't want to risk exposure unless they absolutely have to go. People are scared.

I also agree with the article when it says that delaying going to the hospital could have very bad consequences for people.

Article: "Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear."

Because the article provides the point that heart patients vanished. My point details that the doctors who wrote the article can not begin to understand the political deep state hate that would first order hospitals not to treat any patients other than covid19, then pay them more to treat covid 19 and in the process let Americans with failing hearts die in order to create a fake epidemic to destroy donald trump. This is a CIA false flag operstion and if they get caught it will be labeled a pandemic drill

Or you believe everything you see on TV

Again heart patients have zero options except to seek treatment, as they did then died of Covid-19 after getting the wrong treatment. You can't name a war where innocent Americans did not die en mass

The question is am I dead like I would be in China or Russia?

The truth will live

Doctors didn't write this article.

The rest of what you wrote just seems like an incoherent mess. The article makes much more sense and describes that heart patients are too scared to go into the hospital because they're afraid of getting infected, which will also have negative effects on their health.

Sorry, but I'll go with the article.

 

[esalla]

The flu kills an average of 4,700 New Yorkers every year.

4,700 New Yorkers died of the coronavirus in the last week.

This isn't the flu.

LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

I don't know, but it's not worth subscribing to find out.

Everything opens for me, not sure why you need to subscribe?

This is what I'm looking at.

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I believe you but I am not getting that and am not subscribed. If you can try Google Chrome,

Here is the text, the deep state obviously does not want this known and is blocking

By
Lenny Bernstein and
Frances Stead Sellers
April 19, 2020 at 2:50 p.m. EDT
Soon after he repurposed his 60-bed cardiac unit to accommodate covid-19 patients, Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon John Puskas was stumped: With nearly all the beds now occupied by victims of the novel coronavirus, where had all the heart patients gone? Even those left almost speechless by crushing chest pain weren’t coming through the ER.
Variations on that question have puzzled clinicians not only in New York, the most severe area of the U.S. outbreak, but across the country and in Spain, the United Kingdom and China. Five weeks into a nationwide coronavirus lockdown, many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research.
“Everybody is frightened to come to the ER,” Puskas said.

Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear.
Evert Eriksson, trauma medical director at the Medical University of South Carolina, described a man in his 20s who tried to ignore the growing pain in his belly, toughing it out at home with the aid of over-the-counter painkillers. By the time he showed up at the Charleston hospital, perhaps 10 days after he should have, he had developed a large abscess, one that was gnawing through the muscle in his abdominal wall.
A fairly routine surgery and a night in the hospital had become a lengthy and difficult inpatient stay, with doctors operating and using antibiotics to control the widespread infection, according to Eriksson. Only after they succeed in vanquishing the infection can they address the appendix itself.

“That’s going to be a real wound-care challenge for him moving forward,” said Eriksson, who is caring for the patient. “He said to me he could [imagine] the virus crawling on the hospital. He was just scared to come.”
At MUSC, Eriksson’s general surgery floor, which has 20 beds, housed as few as three people for two to three weeks, he said. Now the census is back over 20.
“What we’re seeing is late presentation,” he said. “I would say 70 percent of the appendicitis on my service right now are late presentations. What happens when you present late with appendicitis is, we can’t operate on you safely.”
Yet the 700-bed hospital is only about 60 percent full because, like most facilities, MUSC discharged everyone it could to make room for the expected coronavirus surge. So far, that hasn’t materialized. The hospital has not had more than 10 covid-19 patients admitted at any time, he said.
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“We have five covid patients in the hospital right now, and we have five appendicitis cases” with complications from waiting too long to come in for care, Eriksson said.
Much of the reporting about missing patients is anecdotal — in medical chat rooms and on doctors’ social media accounts. Doctors say it’s unlikely there has been a decline in most of these conditions, which suggests that at least a few people may be dying at home, although there is no data yet to corroborate that.
In the case of severe heart attacks, the evidence is mounting that a large percentage of patients with symptoms that typically prompt urgent interventions are simply not showing up.

A report to be published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on nine high-volume cardiac catheterization labs across the country found a 38 percent drop in patients being treated for a life-threatening event known as a STEMI — the blockage of one of the major arteries that supplies oxygen-rich blood to the heart. The study compared what happened this past March, when covid-19 cases were climbing, with the treatments delivered from Jan. 1, 2019, through February 2020.
AD

Those results — from hospitals across the country — are counterintuitive, physicians say. The stress caused by the pandemic would lead them to anticipate an increase in heart attacks. Covid-19 is also an inflammatory disease that can damage the heart muscle.
“We should have higher incidences of these events, but we are seeing dramatically fewer in the hospital system,” Puskas said. “That has to mean they are at home or in the morgue.”

A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
AD

Covid-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death
With elective surgeries on hold, many hospitals such as Brigham and Women’s in Boston have found themselves trading treatment of traditional heart attacks for the complex assaults the novel coronavirus is making on the organ and the body’s ability to clot blood.
“People with smaller heart attacks, they may say, ‘Well I hope this is just indigestion,’ ” said Gregory Piazza, one of the hospital’s cardiovascular specialists.

At MUSC, another doctor worried that mild stroke patients are enduring symptoms such as numbness, loss of sensation or weakness on one side of the body at home. Symptoms of small strokes can be transient, but they also can be warnings of larger strokes to come.
MUSC, a major stroke center, averaged 550 calls per month over the past four months about possible stroke patients from the 45 to 50 emergency rooms that refer patients. But it has seen just 100 in the first half of April, said Alex Spiotta, director of neurovascular surgery. Phone calls from patients to MUSC’s telestroke program dropped from as many as 20 daily to about nine in mid-April.
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“That’s literally patients and their families who fear that it’s dangerous” to go to the hospital, he said. “We are worried that there might be a higher death toll from neglect of other diseases” than from covid-19.

At the University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Comprehensive Stroke Center, the March census of stroke patients is down almost 30 percent from February’s, said Ralph Sacco, chairman of neurology and former president of the American Academy of Neurology.
“What we would surmise is that more mild to moderate cases are not calling 911 or are afraid to come into the hospitals,” Sacco said.
Hospitals are beginning to reach out to the public through social media and public service announcements to ease fears about hospital safety.
“We’ve changed what we do,” to keep patients safe from the virus, Sacco said. “But we’re still able to care for people.”
AD

The possibility that patients may be suffering — and even dying — at home rather than going to a hospital led the American College of Cardiology to launch a “Cardiosmart” campaign last week, attempting to reassure a wary population and encourage those with symptoms to call 911 for urgent care and to continue routine appointments, through telemedicine when practical: “Hospitals have safety measures to protect you from infection,” it reads.

“The emphasis here is safety,” said Harlan Krumholz, a cardiologist and health care researcher at Yale University and Yale New Haven Hospital, who advised on the campaign. “We want to make sure preventable deaths aren’t happening.”
There is no pill, no action, no behavior, he said, that could account for the almost 40 percent drop in STEMI patients. “We don’t have a means to cut your risk in half,” he said. “Not even primary angioplasty or stopping smoking.”
AD

Still, the shift has many doctors looking for other explanations, including the massive behavioral overhaul caused by the lockdown.
MUSC has seen a steep drop in trauma from car accidents, for example, because fewer people are driving, but no reduction in domestic violence or assaults among people who don’t live together, Eriksson said.
Many people who suffer from exertional angina are now sitting at home rather than climbing the subway stairs every day, and the threshold of discomfort that would drive them to seek care is probably far higher.
Joseph Puma, an interventional cardiologist at Mount Sinai, said he believes multiple changes created by the lockdown may be playing a role, including a decrease in air pollution and fewer high-fat restaurant meals after work.
“The plaques in arteries have not gone away,” he said. “You can argue that forced behavioral modifications may have taken away the triggers” that release them into the bloodstream.
And these days, some people who suffer cardiac arrests never make it to a hospital in New York, where EMTs and paramedics transport patients only if their pulse returns after CPR or defibrillation.
Puskas, the Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon, whose unit is now occupied entirely by covid-19 patients, suspects a few of the heart patients may not be missing but right there among the most seriously ill people in his new unit.
The virus strikes most harshly among people suffering from diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure — the very same conditions that predispose people to strokes and heart attacks and that are most prevalent among blacks and Hispanics.
“Some of them may be under our noses,” he said.
The role those factors may be playing will emerge over time from studies and shoe-leather epidemiology. But for now, Krumholz said, the key is to make sure people with symptoms overcome their fears and get prompt treatment that may save their lives or avoid long-term complications.
“Don’t delay,” he said.
Scott Clement and Emily Guskin contributed to this report.
Coronavirus: What you need to read
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Updated April 21, 2020
Live updates: The latest in the U.S. and abroad
Mapping the spread: Cases and deaths in the U.S. | Map of cases worldwide
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Thanks. Well your article kind of answers your own question, doesn't it?

You: "LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid? "

Article: "many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research."

"A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
AD "

Wrong as I already explained this, see heart patients have 2 choices

1. Go to the hospital
2. Go straight to the morgue

Heart surgery is never optional, so they went to the hospital and were killed to up the covid numbers

Ok. Then I'm not sure why you're providing a link to an article that you disagree with.

The article seems pretty reasonable to me. People are afraid of going in because they don't want to risk exposure unless they absolutely have to go. People are scared.

I also agree with the article when it says that delaying going to the hospital could have very bad consequences for people.

Article: "Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear."

Because the article provides the point that heart patients vanished. My point details that the doctors who wrote the article can not begin to understand the political deep state hate that would first order hospitals not to treat any patients other than covid19, then pay them more to treat covid 19 and in the process let Americans with failing hearts die in order to create a fake epidemic to destroy donald trump. This is a CIA false flag operstion and if they get caught it will be labeled a pandemic drill

Or you believe everything you see on TV

Again heart patients have zero options except to seek treatment, as they did then died of Covid-19 after getting the wrong treatment. You can't name a war where innocent Americans did not die en mass

The question is am I dead like I would be in China or Russia?

The truth will live

Doctors didn't write this article.

The rest of what you wrote just seems like an incoherent mess. The article makes much more sense and describes that heart patients are too scared to go into the hospital because they're afraid of getting infected, which will also have negative effects on their health.

Sorry, but I'll go with the article.

Good job you go right ahead believing everything you hear on tv

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

If you look at the missile contrail you can deduce the size of the weapon which is likely a tomahawk

PS we are already at war, biowar to be specific

 

[XponentialChaos]

The flu kills an average of 4,700 New Yorkers every year.

4,700 New Yorkers died of the coronavirus in the last week.

This isn't the flu.

LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

I don't know, but it's not worth subscribing to find out.

Everything opens for me, not sure why you need to subscribe?

This is what I'm looking at.

View attachment 326402

I believe you but I am not getting that and am not subscribed. If you can try Google Chrome,

Here is the text, the deep state obviously does not want this known and is blocking

By
Lenny Bernstein and
Frances Stead Sellers
April 19, 2020 at 2:50 p.m. EDT
Soon after he repurposed his 60-bed cardiac unit to accommodate covid-19 patients, Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon John Puskas was stumped: With nearly all the beds now occupied by victims of the novel coronavirus, where had all the heart patients gone? Even those left almost speechless by crushing chest pain weren’t coming through the ER.
Variations on that question have puzzled clinicians not only in New York, the most severe area of the U.S. outbreak, but across the country and in Spain, the United Kingdom and China. Five weeks into a nationwide coronavirus lockdown, many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research.
“Everybody is frightened to come to the ER,” Puskas said.

Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear.
Evert Eriksson, trauma medical director at the Medical University of South Carolina, described a man in his 20s who tried to ignore the growing pain in his belly, toughing it out at home with the aid of over-the-counter painkillers. By the time he showed up at the Charleston hospital, perhaps 10 days after he should have, he had developed a large abscess, one that was gnawing through the muscle in his abdominal wall.
A fairly routine surgery and a night in the hospital had become a lengthy and difficult inpatient stay, with doctors operating and using antibiotics to control the widespread infection, according to Eriksson. Only after they succeed in vanquishing the infection can they address the appendix itself.

“That’s going to be a real wound-care challenge for him moving forward,” said Eriksson, who is caring for the patient. “He said to me he could [imagine] the virus crawling on the hospital. He was just scared to come.”
At MUSC, Eriksson’s general surgery floor, which has 20 beds, housed as few as three people for two to three weeks, he said. Now the census is back over 20.
“What we’re seeing is late presentation,” he said. “I would say 70 percent of the appendicitis on my service right now are late presentations. What happens when you present late with appendicitis is, we can’t operate on you safely.”
Yet the 700-bed hospital is only about 60 percent full because, like most facilities, MUSC discharged everyone it could to make room for the expected coronavirus surge. So far, that hasn’t materialized. The hospital has not had more than 10 covid-19 patients admitted at any time, he said.
AD


“We have five covid patients in the hospital right now, and we have five appendicitis cases” with complications from waiting too long to come in for care, Eriksson said.
Much of the reporting about missing patients is anecdotal — in medical chat rooms and on doctors’ social media accounts. Doctors say it’s unlikely there has been a decline in most of these conditions, which suggests that at least a few people may be dying at home, although there is no data yet to corroborate that.
In the case of severe heart attacks, the evidence is mounting that a large percentage of patients with symptoms that typically prompt urgent interventions are simply not showing up.

A report to be published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on nine high-volume cardiac catheterization labs across the country found a 38 percent drop in patients being treated for a life-threatening event known as a STEMI — the blockage of one of the major arteries that supplies oxygen-rich blood to the heart. The study compared what happened this past March, when covid-19 cases were climbing, with the treatments delivered from Jan. 1, 2019, through February 2020.
AD

Those results — from hospitals across the country — are counterintuitive, physicians say. The stress caused by the pandemic would lead them to anticipate an increase in heart attacks. Covid-19 is also an inflammatory disease that can damage the heart muscle.
“We should have higher incidences of these events, but we are seeing dramatically fewer in the hospital system,” Puskas said. “That has to mean they are at home or in the morgue.”

A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
AD

Covid-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death
With elective surgeries on hold, many hospitals such as Brigham and Women’s in Boston have found themselves trading treatment of traditional heart attacks for the complex assaults the novel coronavirus is making on the organ and the body’s ability to clot blood.
“People with smaller heart attacks, they may say, ‘Well I hope this is just indigestion,’ ” said Gregory Piazza, one of the hospital’s cardiovascular specialists.

At MUSC, another doctor worried that mild stroke patients are enduring symptoms such as numbness, loss of sensation or weakness on one side of the body at home. Symptoms of small strokes can be transient, but they also can be warnings of larger strokes to come.
MUSC, a major stroke center, averaged 550 calls per month over the past four months about possible stroke patients from the 45 to 50 emergency rooms that refer patients. But it has seen just 100 in the first half of April, said Alex Spiotta, director of neurovascular surgery. Phone calls from patients to MUSC’s telestroke program dropped from as many as 20 daily to about nine in mid-April.
AD

“That’s literally patients and their families who fear that it’s dangerous” to go to the hospital, he said. “We are worried that there might be a higher death toll from neglect of other diseases” than from covid-19.

At the University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Comprehensive Stroke Center, the March census of stroke patients is down almost 30 percent from February’s, said Ralph Sacco, chairman of neurology and former president of the American Academy of Neurology.
“What we would surmise is that more mild to moderate cases are not calling 911 or are afraid to come into the hospitals,” Sacco said.
Hospitals are beginning to reach out to the public through social media and public service announcements to ease fears about hospital safety.
“We’ve changed what we do,” to keep patients safe from the virus, Sacco said. “But we’re still able to care for people.”
AD

The possibility that patients may be suffering — and even dying — at home rather than going to a hospital led the American College of Cardiology to launch a “Cardiosmart” campaign last week, attempting to reassure a wary population and encourage those with symptoms to call 911 for urgent care and to continue routine appointments, through telemedicine when practical: “Hospitals have safety measures to protect you from infection,” it reads.

“The emphasis here is safety,” said Harlan Krumholz, a cardiologist and health care researcher at Yale University and Yale New Haven Hospital, who advised on the campaign. “We want to make sure preventable deaths aren’t happening.”
There is no pill, no action, no behavior, he said, that could account for the almost 40 percent drop in STEMI patients. “We don’t have a means to cut your risk in half,” he said. “Not even primary angioplasty or stopping smoking.”
AD

Still, the shift has many doctors looking for other explanations, including the massive behavioral overhaul caused by the lockdown.
MUSC has seen a steep drop in trauma from car accidents, for example, because fewer people are driving, but no reduction in domestic violence or assaults among people who don’t live together, Eriksson said.
Many people who suffer from exertional angina are now sitting at home rather than climbing the subway stairs every day, and the threshold of discomfort that would drive them to seek care is probably far higher.
Joseph Puma, an interventional cardiologist at Mount Sinai, said he believes multiple changes created by the lockdown may be playing a role, including a decrease in air pollution and fewer high-fat restaurant meals after work.
“The plaques in arteries have not gone away,” he said. “You can argue that forced behavioral modifications may have taken away the triggers” that release them into the bloodstream.
And these days, some people who suffer cardiac arrests never make it to a hospital in New York, where EMTs and paramedics transport patients only if their pulse returns after CPR or defibrillation.
Puskas, the Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon, whose unit is now occupied entirely by covid-19 patients, suspects a few of the heart patients may not be missing but right there among the most seriously ill people in his new unit.
The virus strikes most harshly among people suffering from diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure — the very same conditions that predispose people to strokes and heart attacks and that are most prevalent among blacks and Hispanics.
“Some of them may be under our noses,” he said.
The role those factors may be playing will emerge over time from studies and shoe-leather epidemiology. But for now, Krumholz said, the key is to make sure people with symptoms overcome their fears and get prompt treatment that may save their lives or avoid long-term complications.
“Don’t delay,” he said.
Scott Clement and Emily Guskin contributed to this report.
Coronavirus: What you need to read
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Updated April 21, 2020
Live updates: The latest in the U.S. and abroad
Mapping the spread: Cases and deaths in the U.S. | Map of cases worldwide
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Thanks. Well your article kind of answers your own question, doesn't it?

You: "LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid? "

Article: "many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research."

"A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
AD "

Wrong as I already explained this, see heart patients have 2 choices

1. Go to the hospital
2. Go straight to the morgue

Heart surgery is never optional, so they went to the hospital and were killed to up the covid numbers

Ok. Then I'm not sure why you're providing a link to an article that you disagree with.

The article seems pretty reasonable to me. People are afraid of going in because they don't want to risk exposure unless they absolutely have to go. People are scared.

I also agree with the article when it says that delaying going to the hospital could have very bad consequences for people.

Article: "Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear."

Because the article provides the point that heart patients vanished. My point details that the doctors who wrote the article can not begin to understand the political deep state hate that would first order hospitals not to treat any patients other than covid19, then pay them more to treat covid 19 and in the process let Americans with failing hearts die in order to create a fake epidemic to destroy donald trump. This is a CIA false flag operstion and if they get caught it will be labeled a pandemic drill

Or you believe everything you see on TV

Again heart patients have zero options except to seek treatment, as they did then died of Covid-19 after getting the wrong treatment. You can't name a war where innocent Americans did not die en mass

The question is am I dead like I would be in China or Russia?

The truth will live

Doctors didn't write this article.

The rest of what you wrote just seems like an incoherent mess. The article makes much more sense and describes that heart patients are too scared to go into the hospital because they're afraid of getting infected, which will also have negative effects on their health.

Sorry, but I'll go with the article.

Good job you go right ahead believing everything you hear on tv

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

If you look at the missile contrail you can deduce the size of the weapon which is likely a tomahawk

PS we are already at war, biowar to be specific

I didn't say that I believe everything I hear on tv.

However, I believe this article over the incoherent ramblings of someone on an anonymous message board. Still not sure why you posted it. You asked me a question and then posted the answer for me. That's pretty useful I guess.

And I have no idea what any of this has to do with tomahawk missiles. You're all over the place.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, people should draw their own conclusions by incorporating data as it becomes available

But should draw no conclusion when there is not enough data available to draw a conclusion. As the researchers clearly communicated in your linked article.

Yet you explicitly stated that conclusions should be drawn from this incomplete data. And you were wrong. Doing so is not called "thinking". Its called "an error".

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If you believe the government which smart people seldom do, due to their decades of lying

Spot on! Smart people turn to Alex Jones and zero hedge.

 

[gipper]

If you believe the government which smart people seldom do, due to their decades of lying

Spot on! Smart people turn to Alex Jones and zero hedge.

I know you’re not smart. You’ve proven it over and over again.

 

[Fueri]

Yes, people should draw their own conclusions by incorporating data as it becomes available

But should draw no conclusion when there is not enough data available to draw a conclusion. As the researchers clearly communicated in your linked article.

Yet you explicitly stated that conclusions should be drawn from this incomplete data. And you were wrong. Doing so is not called "thinking". Its called "an error".

oh give me a break.

There are plenty of conclusions people can draw from this, one of which is that this is obviously a pilot study, or that regional biases are going to be inherent in any such localized study, or that this indicates that an epidemic is raging there, as did the researchers:

“The bad news is that there’s a raging epidemic in Chelsea, and many people walking on the street don’t know that they’re carrying the virus and that they may be exposing uninfected individuals in their families.” Don't look now, look this guy came to a conclusion and maybe more than one! Look there's an AND in there indicating plural! How utterly impossible! He must have made an 'error'! LOL

Instead of simply realizing that conclusions come in many forms and as various bits of data are incorporated into our understanding it all serves to influence our understanding and conclusions, you pull one sentence out and make some lame attempt to discredit it as if it was done by 2 random guys out of a van instead of a research team of physicians from Massachusetts General Hospital.

IMO, people should be looking for the data as it becomes available. A study with an n = 200 sample size is not insignificant. There may be regional bias, but so what. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows by now that there is variance across regions.

 

[flacaltenn]

As real news is beginning to seep out, we are learning that Covid-19 pandemic is much more like those of recent years than the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918.

More than 200,000 people are hospitalized each year in the United States for the flu illness and its complications and between 3,000 and 49,000 people die each year from the flu. The number of flu deaths every year varies.

For example, the average number of flu deaths during the 1990s was 36,000.

• Average number over a longer time frame from 1976 to 2007 was 23,607 deaths.
• If you take the number of deaths year wise, you will find a vast variation with a low of 3,349 deaths during the flu season of 1986-87 to a high of 48,614 in 2003-04.

The above-mentioned figures are for adults only and are rough estimates. The CDC estimates that 60 percent of flu-related hospital admissions and 90 percent of flu-related deaths occur in people of this age group [>65}.

Flu Season Deaths Per Year In The United States And Worldwide - Healthvigil

We take the flu lightly when we shouldn't. Learn about flu seasonal deaths that occur every year in the U.S .and worldwide and casualties of its epidemics.

healthvigil.com

So why the hysteria over this new strain? Could it possibly have anything to do with the upcoming Presidential election? After recounts, Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, quid pro quo and impeachment have all failed to overturn the 2016 election, is there the slightest doubt that the Democrats will do anything to prevent Trump's reelection?

Doesn't crashing the economy, which was Trump's biggest reelection asset, fit right in with all of these other despicable actions? Why are Blue States the most opposed to reopening the economy? Why is the CDC so resistant to admitting the Covid-19 threat has been vastly overestimated? What do these people have in common?

Orange Man Bad.

The blob’s CDC said that there may be an outbreak in The winter as well today.

So yeah, your theory is in tact. The blob’s hand picked CDC Director is sabotaging him.

Crazy...like a fox.

<sarcasm off>

Didn't "sabotage" anything.. Just stating the obvious.. Which is resurgence during the peak of a normal flu season is gonna put MORE pressure on medical services... Not that it's gonna be "stronger or faster" than it is now...

 

[flacaltenn]

The flu kills an average of 4,700 New Yorkers every year.

4,700 New Yorkers died of the coronavirus in the last week.

This isn't the flu.

LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

I don't know, but it's not worth subscribing to find out.

Everything opens for me, not sure why you need to subscribe?

This is what I'm looking at.

View attachment 326402

I believe you but I am not getting that and am not subscribed. If you can try Google Chrome,

Here is the text, the deep state obviously does not want this known and is blocking

By
Lenny Bernstein and
Frances Stead Sellers
April 19, 2020 at 2:50 p.m. EDT
Soon after he repurposed his 60-bed cardiac unit to accommodate covid-19 patients, Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon John Puskas was stumped: With nearly all the beds now occupied by victims of the novel coronavirus, where had all the heart patients gone? Even those left almost speechless by crushing chest pain weren’t coming through the ER.
Variations on that question have puzzled clinicians not only in New York, the most severe area of the U.S. outbreak, but across the country and in Spain, the United Kingdom and China. Five weeks into a nationwide coronavirus lockdown, many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research.
“Everybody is frightened to come to the ER,” Puskas said.

Some doctors worry that illness and mortality from unaddressed health problems may rival the carnage produced in regions less affected by covid-19, the disease the virus causes. And some expect they will soon see patients who have dangerously delayed seeking care as ongoing symptoms force them to overcome their fear.
Evert Eriksson, trauma medical director at the Medical University of South Carolina, described a man in his 20s who tried to ignore the growing pain in his belly, toughing it out at home with the aid of over-the-counter painkillers. By the time he showed up at the Charleston hospital, perhaps 10 days after he should have, he had developed a large abscess, one that was gnawing through the muscle in his abdominal wall.
A fairly routine surgery and a night in the hospital had become a lengthy and difficult inpatient stay, with doctors operating and using antibiotics to control the widespread infection, according to Eriksson. Only after they succeed in vanquishing the infection can they address the appendix itself.

“That’s going to be a real wound-care challenge for him moving forward,” said Eriksson, who is caring for the patient. “He said to me he could [imagine] the virus crawling on the hospital. He was just scared to come.”
At MUSC, Eriksson’s general surgery floor, which has 20 beds, housed as few as three people for two to three weeks, he said. Now the census is back over 20.
“What we’re seeing is late presentation,” he said. “I would say 70 percent of the appendicitis on my service right now are late presentations. What happens when you present late with appendicitis is, we can’t operate on you safely.”
Yet the 700-bed hospital is only about 60 percent full because, like most facilities, MUSC discharged everyone it could to make room for the expected coronavirus surge. So far, that hasn’t materialized. The hospital has not had more than 10 covid-19 patients admitted at any time, he said.
AD


“We have five covid patients in the hospital right now, and we have five appendicitis cases” with complications from waiting too long to come in for care, Eriksson said.
Much of the reporting about missing patients is anecdotal — in medical chat rooms and on doctors’ social media accounts. Doctors say it’s unlikely there has been a decline in most of these conditions, which suggests that at least a few people may be dying at home, although there is no data yet to corroborate that.
In the case of severe heart attacks, the evidence is mounting that a large percentage of patients with symptoms that typically prompt urgent interventions are simply not showing up.

A report to be published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on nine high-volume cardiac catheterization labs across the country found a 38 percent drop in patients being treated for a life-threatening event known as a STEMI — the blockage of one of the major arteries that supplies oxygen-rich blood to the heart. The study compared what happened this past March, when covid-19 cases were climbing, with the treatments delivered from Jan. 1, 2019, through February 2020.
AD

Those results — from hospitals across the country — are counterintuitive, physicians say. The stress caused by the pandemic would lead them to anticipate an increase in heart attacks. Covid-19 is also an inflammatory disease that can damage the heart muscle.
“We should have higher incidences of these events, but we are seeing dramatically fewer in the hospital system,” Puskas said. “That has to mean they are at home or in the morgue.”

A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
AD

Covid-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death
With elective surgeries on hold, many hospitals such as Brigham and Women’s in Boston have found themselves trading treatment of traditional heart attacks for the complex assaults the novel coronavirus is making on the organ and the body’s ability to clot blood.
“People with smaller heart attacks, they may say, ‘Well I hope this is just indigestion,’ ” said Gregory Piazza, one of the hospital’s cardiovascular specialists.

At MUSC, another doctor worried that mild stroke patients are enduring symptoms such as numbness, loss of sensation or weakness on one side of the body at home. Symptoms of small strokes can be transient, but they also can be warnings of larger strokes to come.
MUSC, a major stroke center, averaged 550 calls per month over the past four months about possible stroke patients from the 45 to 50 emergency rooms that refer patients. But it has seen just 100 in the first half of April, said Alex Spiotta, director of neurovascular surgery. Phone calls from patients to MUSC’s telestroke program dropped from as many as 20 daily to about nine in mid-April.
AD

“That’s literally patients and their families who fear that it’s dangerous” to go to the hospital, he said. “We are worried that there might be a higher death toll from neglect of other diseases” than from covid-19.

At the University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Comprehensive Stroke Center, the March census of stroke patients is down almost 30 percent from February’s, said Ralph Sacco, chairman of neurology and former president of the American Academy of Neurology.
“What we would surmise is that more mild to moderate cases are not calling 911 or are afraid to come into the hospitals,” Sacco said.
Hospitals are beginning to reach out to the public through social media and public service announcements to ease fears about hospital safety.
“We’ve changed what we do,” to keep patients safe from the virus, Sacco said. “But we’re still able to care for people.”
AD

The possibility that patients may be suffering — and even dying — at home rather than going to a hospital led the American College of Cardiology to launch a “Cardiosmart” campaign last week, attempting to reassure a wary population and encourage those with symptoms to call 911 for urgent care and to continue routine appointments, through telemedicine when practical: “Hospitals have safety measures to protect you from infection,” it reads.

“The emphasis here is safety,” said Harlan Krumholz, a cardiologist and health care researcher at Yale University and Yale New Haven Hospital, who advised on the campaign. “We want to make sure preventable deaths aren’t happening.”
There is no pill, no action, no behavior, he said, that could account for the almost 40 percent drop in STEMI patients. “We don’t have a means to cut your risk in half,” he said. “Not even primary angioplasty or stopping smoking.”
AD

Still, the shift has many doctors looking for other explanations, including the massive behavioral overhaul caused by the lockdown.
MUSC has seen a steep drop in trauma from car accidents, for example, because fewer people are driving, but no reduction in domestic violence or assaults among people who don’t live together, Eriksson said.
Many people who suffer from exertional angina are now sitting at home rather than climbing the subway stairs every day, and the threshold of discomfort that would drive them to seek care is probably far higher.
Joseph Puma, an interventional cardiologist at Mount Sinai, said he believes multiple changes created by the lockdown may be playing a role, including a decrease in air pollution and fewer high-fat restaurant meals after work.
“The plaques in arteries have not gone away,” he said. “You can argue that forced behavioral modifications may have taken away the triggers” that release them into the bloodstream.
And these days, some people who suffer cardiac arrests never make it to a hospital in New York, where EMTs and paramedics transport patients only if their pulse returns after CPR or defibrillation.
Puskas, the Mount Sinai cardiovascular surgeon, whose unit is now occupied entirely by covid-19 patients, suspects a few of the heart patients may not be missing but right there among the most seriously ill people in his new unit.
The virus strikes most harshly among people suffering from diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure — the very same conditions that predispose people to strokes and heart attacks and that are most prevalent among blacks and Hispanics.
“Some of them may be under our noses,” he said.
The role those factors may be playing will emerge over time from studies and shoe-leather epidemiology. But for now, Krumholz said, the key is to make sure people with symptoms overcome their fears and get prompt treatment that may save their lives or avoid long-term complications.
“Don’t delay,” he said.
Scott Clement and Emily Guskin contributed to this report.
Coronavirus: What you need to read
The Washington Post is providing some coronavirus coverage free, including:
Updated April 21, 2020
Live updates: The latest in the U.S. and abroad
Mapping the spread: Cases and deaths in the U.S. | Map of cases worldwide
What you need to know: Stay-at-home orders by state | Stimulus checks, unemployment, retirement and more | Make your own fabric mask | Follow all of our coronavirus coverage and sign up for our daily newsletter.
How to help: Your community | Seniors | Restaurants | Keep at-risk people in mind
Share your story: Has someone close to you died from covid-19?

Thanks. Well your article kind of answers your own question, doesn't it?

You: "LOL how come there are no heart patients in NY kid? "

Article: "many doctors say the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders, bowel obstructions and, more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research."

"A Gallup online poll taken March 28 to April 2 asked people with different conditions how concerned they would be about exposure to the coronavirus if they needed “medical treatment right now” at a hospital or doctor’s office. Eighty-six percent of people with heart disease said they would be either “very concerned” or “moderately concerned.” Among people with high blood pressure, the figure was 83 percent.
AD "

Wrong as I already explained this, see heart patients have 2 choices

1. Go to the hospital
2. Go straight to the morgue

Heart surgery is never optional, so they went to the hospital and were misdiagnosed and died to up the covid numbers

Those aren't the REASONS for the drop-off.. It's FEAR, not reality that they would catch Covid and die from that.. And its the list of CardioVasc procedures that SOMEHOW got declared as "not essential".. I read the list -- It's mind blowing.. NO pacemakers. No heart ablations to fix arrhythmia, No "routine" angioplasty.. And other bureaucratic dictates... Under THOSE CONDITIONS -- our medical system immediately became "4th world-ish"... WHY they did this? dont know.. But cardiologists hands are TIED and MAYBE they have to advise their patients of that.. And THAT'S WHY -- people are dying rather then calling 911 and/or going to the ER.....

People are WISE to this.. Don't want 3rd rate medical care for heart/vascular problems.

 

[flacaltenn]

Since about 40% of the cases/fatalities are in NYC with that moronic Big Bird as a mayor -- I THINK many NY'ers would prefer the name "Deblaiso plague". But that's not helpful either. Less than 2% of Americans have been infected (using CDC guess at %infected)... TEN TIMES more than most states in the Big Apple alone..

Yes, how shocking that it would hit our largest, most travelled, and densest city first and hardest. Epidemiologists are scratching their heads all the way back to pandemic 101.

That life will be changing. And so will the dumbbell dingbat Big Bird mayor...

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

What is the inflated count at now?

Not good enough to have included you.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

What a fucking moron you are, and all who think like you.

Influenza season runs September to April; 48,000 deaths over 8 months is just a little bit fucking different than 43,000 deaths in six weeks.

You really don’t deserve the resources your fat stupid worthless fucking lump of flesh consumes every day. I hope you get covid19 and die.

He-he, I posted a factual TRUTH. Seems you, like virtually ALL liberal lunatics, do NOT like FACTS. And wishing the Chinese Virus on me and hoping I die from it is BEYOND despicable. But NOT surprising, coming from a brainwashed liberal loon like yourself. INCREDIBLY pathetic AND pitiful. You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself.

Are you suggesting your behavior is different? I would suggest you are the 'tails' to the other poster's 'heads' and you both really really need each other to validate your own existences as partisanshitheads.

Since you can never discuss anything, please do feel free to put your little pouty emoji below.

Cheers Casper.