The Greatest President in 100 Years

[Synthaholic]

Ninny.

See regent? I told you you were dealing with a

Ninny-in-Training.

You've got a PhD in it, Parrot.

 

[Liability]

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

It's cute when regent imagines s/he is making a point.

 

[PoliticalChic]

See regent? I told you you were dealing with a

Ninny-in-Training.

You've got a PhD in it, Parrot.

Good boy!
While your posts are jejune, and appear more like simian gabble.....
I feel so ecumenical when I allow the lesser among us to run along side.

I'll simply pretend that this is like government school, pat you on the head, and ignore you.

 

[Liability]

I oughta pos rep PoliticalChic just for using "jejune" in a post here at USMB.

Kinda wasted on the likes of Synthia, though.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Conservative Opposition - Hardline conservatives protest Gorbachev’s visit to Washington, and the signing of the treaty, in the strongest possible terms. When Reagan suggests that Gorbachev address a joint session of Congress, Congressional Republicans, led by House member Dick Cheney (R-WY—see 1983), rebel.

Cheney says: “Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.”

Conservative Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Committee is more blunt in his assessment of the treaty agreement: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.” Conservative pundit William F. Buckley calls the treaty a “suicide pact.”

Fellow conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets. Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire” (see March 8, 1983).

They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain.

Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.
Senate Ratification and a Presidential Rebuke - All the protests from hardline opponents of the treaty come to naught.

..................... http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=george_will_1

 

[Synthaholic]

I oughta pos rep PoliticalChic just for using "jejune" in a post here at USMB.

Kinda wasted on the likes of Synthia, though.

Correct, welsher! She should have directed it at you.

But that would require intellectual honesty.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

 

[rightwinger]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

 

[Meathead]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

Let's see, Reagan till 1988, 4 years Bush I, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Bush II, sure, I see your point. Doe anyone really expect unparalleled economic growth into perpetuity? It's a bit like blaming Eisenhower for the Carter recession. It's feeble, give it up and maybe your pain will ebb.

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

Let's see, Reagan till 1988, 4 years Bush I, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Bush II, sure, I see your point. Doe anyone really expect unparalleled economic growth into perpetuity? It's a bit like blaming Eisenhower for the Carter recession. It's feeble, give it up and maybe your pain will ebb.

Very true

Since Reagan we have had economic booms and busts. The one constant is that the wealtiest Americans have accumulated more wealth while the middle class workforce has remained stagnant

 

[Meathead]

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

Let's see, Reagan till 1988, 4 years Bush I, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Bush II, sure, I see your point. Doe anyone really expect unparalleled economic growth into perpetuity? It's a bit like blaming Eisenhower for the Carter recession. It's feeble, give it up and maybe your pain will ebb.

Very true

Since Reagan we have had economic booms and busts. The one constant is that the wealtiest Americans have accumulated more wealth while the middle class workforce has remained stagnant

The middle class workforce has not remained stagnant, as you pot it. Middle class buying power has increased as national wealth has increased. The variable which is resented in Obama's class warfare campaign is the inference that because someone became richer, they have become poorer. It's a variation of the zero-sum game and an inherent fallacy. Being fodder for bleeding hearts and the feeble minded (certainly not mutually exclusive terms) does not make it true.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

You don't get it, obama is failure Reagan is growth and economical prosperity.
Which do you want?

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

You don't get it, obama is failure Reagan is growth and economical prosperity.
Which do you want?

Reagan was a gimmic

The gimmic did not work

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies
Reagan vs. Obama – Another Reminder of Obama's Failed Economic Policies

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

Your boy Obama busted it

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagans star is fading as the impact of his "economic revolution" is being felt by millions of Americans

The Trickle Down bubble has burst

You don't get it, obama is failure Reagan is growth and economical prosperity.
Which do you want?

Reagan was a gimmic

The gimmic did not work

Now.....why would you fib and say Reagan's plans didn't work?

Oh....'cause you're a Lib and Libs don't have to restrict their blabs to the truth!


Reminder:

1. And the tax cuts of the Economic Recovery Act of 1981 stimulated economic growth. “As a 1982 JEC study pointed out,[1] similar across-the-board tax cuts had been implemented in the 1920s as the Mellon tax cuts, and in the 1960s as the Kennedy tax cuts. In both cases the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid.” http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm



2. “As inflation came down and as more and more of the tax cuts from the 1981 Act went into effect, the economic began a strong and sustained pattern of growth.” US Department of the Treasury



3. The benefits from Reaganomics:

a. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
b. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
c. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
d. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
e. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) FDsys - Browse ERP

f. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116



Why don't you explain the above in comparison to the wizard for whom you voted?

Or....simply say you always vote for failure.

 

[oldfart]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Since 1904:

GREAT
1. Dwight Eisenhower
2. Harry Truman
Richard Nixon*
Lyndon Johnson*

NEAR-GREAT
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. Lyndon Johnson
5. Franklin D Roosevelt
6. William Howard Taft

SIGNIFICANT

7. Bill Clinton
8. John F Kennedy
9. Ronald Reagan
10. Gerald Ford
11. George H W Bush

MEDIOCRE

12. Calvin Coolidge
13. Jimmy Carter
14. Woodrow Wilson **

DISASTROUS

15. Herbert Hoover
16. George W Bush
17. Richard Nixon
18. Warren G Harding

UNRANKED (term unfinished)

Barrack Obama (if ranked based on performance to this date, I would put him in the 9--10 range.

* If we ignore a certain flaw in each of these presidents, the balance of their legacy would undoubtedly put them near the top of great presidents.

** Clearly in the running for most over-rated president.

 

[oldfart]

I oughta pos rep PoliticalChic just for using "jejune" in a post here at USMB.

Kinda wasted on the likes of Synthia, though.

Can we just take away her thesaurus privileges?

 

[rightwinger]

I oughta pos rep PoliticalChic just for using "jejune" in a post here at USMB.

Kinda wasted on the likes of Synthia, though.

Can we just take away her thesaurus privileges?

That would be as bad as taking away her "Rightclick copy" privileges

 

[rightwinger]

Last 100 years

1. FDR
2. Ike
3. Wilson
4. Truman
5. Obama
6. Reagan

Since 1904:

GREAT
1. Dwight Eisenhower
2. Harry Truman
Richard Nixon*
Lyndon Johnson*

NEAR-GREAT
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. Lyndon Johnson
5. Franklin D Roosevelt
6. William Howard Taft

SIGNIFICANT

7. Bill Clinton
8. John F Kennedy
9. Ronald Reagan
10. Gerald Ford
11. George H W Bush

MEDIOCRE

12. Calvin Coolidge
13. Jimmy Carter
14. Woodrow Wilson **

DISASTROUS

15. Herbert Hoover
16. George W Bush
17. Richard Nixon
18. Warren G Harding

UNRANKED (term unfinished)

Barrack Obama (if ranked based on performance to this date, I would put him in the 9--10 range.

* If we ignore a certain flaw in each of these presidents, the balance of their legacy would undoubtedly put them near the top of great presidents.

** Clearly in the running for most over-rated president.

I think LBJ had a great legislative resume with groundbreaking civil rights and poverty programs. But you can't discount his blunderous foreign policy decisions in executing the Viet Nam War when evaluating his presidency

Nixon as well had great accomplishments. But the impact of Watergate shook the country to the core and has to be considered his legacy

 

[regent]

I wonder what the rating criteria the average citizen uses for judging presidents? Is it just a good or bad feeling, or even something good or bad that we remember, some little incident or even a cliche or little bon mot. Is it a reflection of Limbaugh or Maddow or just what? Books have been written about the way ordinary citizens judge presidents and they way historians judge presidents. For ordinary citizens I would say that we judge the way we voted, and the way we voted is determined by our political party.
Do historians use the same criteria as ordinary citizens or do they have a different criteria, more objective, can they defy their political party and political beliefs?