The Greatest President in 100 Years

[PoliticalChic]

If Stalin had still been the honcho in the USSR would the cold war have ended?

If the dog didn't stop, would he have caught the rabbit.....and other imaginary topics.



How about you keep the parameters at what actually happened, and what Gorbachev actually said.

He had no intention of losing the Cold War.

Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope forced him to.

Historians play around with the what-ifs it helps shed light on the possible actions.
So maybe it has to be done slowly and methodically.
Did either Gorbachev and Reagan not want to end the cold war?
If not, was it Reagan or Gorbachev that did not want the cold war?

What if the British had an aircraft carrier in 1777?

...or if the French did?


Nope....within the context of the Cold War, 'playing around' simply means avoiding the truth.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, and we know that this clown was the tool of the same people later behind 'W' to much the same effect; i.e., crushing indebtedness and foolish foreign entanglements that would remove choice from future administrations and guarantee that vested interests remain in charge.

Crushing indebtedness was thanks to the Democrat Congress.

Foolish foreign entanglements? You mean collaborating with the Brits and Poles to defeat the USSR?

By this logic, our current crushing indebtedness is thanks to the Republican Congress.

Correct?

Correct, some of it is absolutely due to that scumbag Tom Delay

 

[Papageorgio]

Lincoln had his own social and political structure to deal with. To Lincoln, just allowing blacks to be free was a major step

The America of the early 1900s had a KKK a million strong. It was a major political power. It was hard enough passing anti-lynching legislation let alone civil rights legislation.

Which Wilson had no intention of doing, he was for eugenics and stopping the black race from procreating. He hated blacks, he wanted them all dead, it was his agenda. He was an evil person with bigotry and hatred behind his moves.

It is well documented, his hatred for blacks, his wanting to suppress the black race by eugenics, which was a popular progressive movement. If you don't believe me, do research on eugenics and Wilson. It is an eye opener. Much better than you denying because it may hurt your view of Wilson.

 

[Synthaholic]

Wilson is the asshole who put us under Banker Control. Is that why you listed him?

Wilson was the biggest racist to walk the White House, he was all for eugenics and the wiping out of inferior races,

No wonder rightwinger thinks so highly of him. He set the tone for Progressives today.

Wilson was a product of his times and had views towards blacks and women that were representative of his era

Just ask Ty Cobb!

 

[Synthaholic]

Crushing indebtedness was thanks to the Democrat Congress.

Foolish foreign entanglements? You mean collaborating with the Brits and Poles to defeat the USSR?

By this logic, our current crushing indebtedness is thanks to the Republican Congress.

Correct?

Correct, some of it is absolutely due to that scumbag Tom Delay

With the rest of it coming from McConnell, Hastert, Armey, and Boehner.

 

[regent]

If the dog didn't stop, would he have caught the rabbit.....and other imaginary topics.



How about you keep the parameters at what actually happened, and what Gorbachev actually said.

He had no intention of losing the Cold War.

Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope forced him to.

Historians play around with the what-ifs it helps shed light on the possible actions.
So maybe it has to be done slowly and methodically.
Did either Gorbachev and Reagan not want to end the cold war?
If not, was it Reagan or Gorbachev that did not want the cold war?

What if the British had an aircraft carrier in 1777?

...or if the French did?


Nope....within the context of the Cold War, 'playing around' simply means avoiding the truth.

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

 

[Meathead]

Historians play around with the what-ifs it helps shed light on the possible actions.
So maybe it has to be done slowly and methodically.
Did either Gorbachev and Reagan not want to end the cold war?
If not, was it Reagan or Gorbachev that did not want the cold war?

What if the British had an aircraft carrier in 1777?

...or if the French did?


Nope....within the context of the Cold War, 'playing around' simply means avoiding the truth.

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

They did, and Gorbachev was the one to capitulate. It was as close to getting an unconditional surrender without actually getting an unconditional surrender. Few Russians, not even Gorbachev, wanted what transpired - a complete collapse of the Soviet sphere of influence and the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union itself. Those were Reagan's goals, and he got them in spades.

 

[Staidhup]

Ronald Reagan believed and personified the common man, regardless of social or economic status. It was his unwavering belief that if you teach a man to fish he will feed his family and that sustainable opportunity could never be derived from government but that of the private sector. He recognized that the only hope for ending the cold war was through strength not weakness, furthermore to secure a lasting peace it required a strong national defense.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Historians play around with the what-ifs it helps shed light on the possible actions.
So maybe it has to be done slowly and methodically.
Did either Gorbachev and Reagan not want to end the cold war?
If not, was it Reagan or Gorbachev that did not want the cold war?

What if the British had an aircraft carrier in 1777?

...or if the French did?


Nope....within the context of the Cold War, 'playing around' simply means avoiding the truth.

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

 

[regent]

What if the British had an aircraft carrier in 1777?

...or if the French did?


Nope....within the context of the Cold War, 'playing around' simply means avoiding the truth.

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

 

[Meathead]

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

Now you're just being annoying.

 

[Synthaholic]

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

Now you're just being annoying.

No, he's trying to nail Jello (PoliticalChic) to a wall (truth).

 

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

Now you're just being annoying.

No, he's trying to nail Jello (PoliticalChic) to a wall (truth).

Seems you'd like to be able to do so.


You'll need an education to be in the running.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

By this logic, our current crushing indebtedness is thanks to the Republican Congress.

Correct?

Correct, some of it is absolutely due to that scumbag Tom Delay

With the rest of it coming from McConnell, Hastert, Armey, and Boehner.

Yeah, the Democrats have no responsibility whatsoever. (What a fucking jackass)

 

[Papageorgio]

Correct, some of it is absolutely due to that scumbag Tom Delay

With the rest of it coming from McConnell, Hastert, Armey, and Boehner.

Yeah, the Democrats have no responsibility whatsoever. (What a fucking jackass)

They love to deny any responsibility from anything. Look at GM, it is all Obama's masterpiece. Solyndra is not anyone's fault.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Correct, some of it is absolutely due to that scumbag Tom Delay

With the rest of it coming from McConnell, Hastert, Armey, and Boehner.

Yeah, the Democrats have no responsibility whatsoever. (What a fucking jackass)

Point of order!

Referring to Sindy as you did, parenthetically, above, is factually incorrect.

Or...at least somewhat of a mixed metaphor.

Jackass is another term for a male mule.
"mules are the offspring from a cross species mating (male donkeys and female horses)
since the two diffrent species have diffrent numbers of cromosomes the offspring is infertile."
Do mules reproduce? - Straight Dope Message Board


Never let it be said that I don't stick up for Sindy!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I thought two questions were too complicated so let me cut it to one:
do you believe that both, Reagan and Gorbachev wanted to end the cold war?

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

Ninny.

 

[Synthaholic]

Correct, some of it is absolutely due to that scumbag Tom Delay

With the rest of it coming from McConnell, Hastert, Armey, and Boehner.

Yeah, the Democrats have no responsibility whatsoever. (What a fucking jackass)

Account for Democrat money for that $16 TRILLION.

Here, I'll start:

The stimulus - $787 Billion.

Your turn - good luck!



ETA: PoliticalChic is welcome to help you.

 

[Synthaholic]

Possibly you missed the testimony in post #145:


"At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.

Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1



No hypothesizing necessary.

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

Ninny.

See regent? I told you you were dealing with a

 

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe better start here, is the cold war over?

Ninny.

See regent? I told you you were dealing with a

Ninny-in-Training.