The Hard Reality: Ukraine’s Last-Gasp Offensive Has Failed

[AntonToo]

Antontoo is putting up fake maps.

What is fake about it?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Study it and get back to us.

 

[AntonToo]

Study it and get back to us.

I've been "studying it" since the start of the war and it fairly accurately chronicles changes in positions and control of territories.

What are you talking about?

DeepStateMAP | Мапа війни в Україні

Новини війни Росії проти України на мапі

deepstatemap.live

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Antontoo does not understand that Russia is losing.

 

[luiza]

Antontoo does not understand that Russia is losing.

You need considerable help unless for strange reasons you are pretending to be dumb on purpose .

 

[AntonToo]

Antontoo does not understand that Russia is losing.

I'm saying they are losing, the linked map shows they are losing ground.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Oddball]

US military estimates

Battlefield deaths in Ukraine have risen sharply this year, say US officials

US estimates almost 500,000 Russian and Ukrainian military casualties in fighting in the conflict so far

www.theguardian.com

Of course, they'd never ever take the liberty of bullshitting us, would they?

 

[kyzr]

The modern-day inheritors of fascism are the Russians.

We finally agree on something. Someone needs to shoot Putin and get back to sanity.

 

[kyzr]

Of course, they'd never ever take the liberty of bullshitting us, would they?

Spoken like a democrat. Democrats lie all the time about everything.
The US military has no reason to lie.

 

[kyzr]

You need considerable help unless for strange reasons you are pretending to be dumb on purpose .

1. Russia's initial 4-day war was a disaster
2. Putin's war is very unpopular, men are fleeing rather than serving in the military
3. Ukraine is gaining ground, Russia is losing ground
4. Ukraine will get F-16s and Abrams tanks shortly
5. The Wagner Group switched sides

 

[AntonToo]

1. Russia's initial 4-day war was a disaster
2. Putin's war is very unpopular, men are fleeing rather than serving in the military
3. Ukraine is gaining ground, Russia is losing ground
4. Ukraine will get F-16s and Abrams tanks shortly
5. The Wagner Group switched sides

2 is not true - war is popular.

Putin fully controls narratives in his repressed country. Public dissent has become illegal in Russia and punishable by long jail terms for "discreditation of the armed forces".

Many people are so fn brainwashed they actually think it's their patriotic duty to support the war, or anything else their gov does.

 

[kyzr]

2 is not true - war is popular.
Putin fully controls narratives in his repressed country. Public dissent has become illegal in Russia and punishable by long jail terms.
Many people are so fn brainwashed they actually think it's their patriotic duty to support the war, or anything else their gov does.

Bullshit. If it was popular he wouldn't need to put prisoners in uniform.

âWeâre scared, we want to runâ: the Russian men fleeing conscription

Three men tell of why they won’t fight in Ukraine, their efforts to evade the draft and what the future holds

www.theguardian.com

Russian men fleeing mobilization could bring down Putin â but destabilize Eastern Europe

No one expected Vladimir Putin’s move to be popular, but images of tens of thousands of Russian men of fighting age flooding into the European Union have been stunning.

nypost.com

Top Putin ally appears to recruit Russian prisoners to fight in Ukraine

A video has emerged appearing to show a top ally of Vladimir Putin personally recruiting alleged Russian prisoners to fight in Ukraine.

abcnews.go.com

Russia's prison recruiting isn't replacing huge military losses

The U.K. Defense Ministry reported that Russia's military has increased its efforts to recruit prisoners to fight in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

 

[AntonToo]

Bullshit. If it was popular he wouldn't need to put prisoners in uniform.

âWeâre scared, we want to runâ: the Russian men fleeing conscription

Three men tell of why they won’t fight in Ukraine, their efforts to evade the draft and what the future holds

www.theguardian.com

Russian men fleeing mobilization could bring down Putin â but destabilize Eastern Europe

No one expected Vladimir Putin’s move to be popular, but images of tens of thousands of Russian men of fighting age flooding into the European Union have been stunning.

nypost.com

Top Putin ally appears to recruit Russian prisoners to fight in Ukraine

A video has emerged appearing to show a top ally of Vladimir Putin personally recruiting alleged Russian prisoners to fight in Ukraine.

abcnews.go.com

Russia's prison recruiting isn't replacing huge military losses

The U.K. Defense Ministry reported that Russia's military has increased its efforts to recruit prisoners to fight in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

And? Supporting Ukraine is popular in US, doesn't at all mean that many people would be willing to sign up to go fight and possibly die there.

You are trying to refute that apples are green by saying that oranges are orange.

As a matter of public opinion ~80% of Russians are either indifferent or explicitly support Putin's war. And of course for the people that actually get sent to fight there it's a very different outlook.

 

[kyzr]

And? Supporting Ukraine is popular in US, doesn't at all mean that many people would be willing to sign up to go fight and possibly die there. You are trying to refute that apples are green by saying that oranges are orange.

As a matter of public opinion ~80% of Russians are either indifferent or explicitly support Putin's war. And of course for the people that actually get sent to fight there it's a very different outlook.

1. Actually I'm saying that if the Ukraine War was popular men wouldn't be fleeing to avoid conscription. Further proof is that when Prigozin was headed to Moscow he was cheered as a hero, not met by angry protesters. Russians oppose the war and Putin.

2. LOL! "Indifferent" means keep your mouth shut or end up in prison or shot. You can't be that stupid that you don't know that Putin rules by terror. Like in NK, cheer "Fearless Leader" or bad things happen.

 

[AntonToo]

1. Actually I'm saying that if the Ukraine War was popular men wouldn't be fleeing to avoid conscription. Further proof is that when Prigozin was headed to Moscow he was cheered as a hero, not met by angry protesters. Russians oppose the war and Putin.

2. LOL! "Indifferent" means keep your mouth shut or end up in prison or shot. You can't be that stupid that you don't know that Putin rules by terror. Like in NK, cheer "Fearless Leader" or bad things happen.

1. Not true. SOME people did conscript, most stayed and small % fled.

2. You, like most in the west really are not understanding the degree to which Russian population has been trained for total political apathy. Most of population there says ignorant shit like "politics is for politicians, they know better" or "I don't like it, but what can we ever do?"

It's this inbred indifference that allows their gov to get away with disastrous policies and infringement on freedoms that would quickly get them thrown out in any developed democracy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

kyzr owns antontoo. He will rent the loser out cheap to mow your yard.

 

[BackAgain]

This money could have been sent to Hawaii, or other needy areas of our great country instead of bidens crony.

The Hard Reality: Ukraine’s Last-Gasp Offensive Has Failed

The cold, hard truth in the war between Russia and Ukraine today is that Ukraine’s last-gasp offensive has failed, and no amount of spin will change the outcome.

www.19fortyfive.com

For “last gasps,” Ukraine is doing pretty well. Did you know they had now seized land inside Russia itself?

 

[AntonToo]

when Prigozin was headed to Moscow he was cheered as a hero, not met by angry protesters

I don't think you understand who Prigozin was to Russians.

He was not some anti-war character, he was seen as a more hardcore, more effective commander, who could show up incompetent Kremlin softies who are letting down Putin and don't have the balls and ruthlessness to do what's needed to finally run over Ukraine.

 

[AntonToo]

kyzr owns antontoo. He will rent the loser out cheap to mow your yard.

Cool story.

Are you ready to explain what your problem is with the war map I referenced?

 

[kyzr]

I don't think you understand who Prigozin was to Russians.
He was not some anti-war character, he was seen as a more hardcore, more effective commander, who could show up incompetent Kremlin softies who are letting down Putin and don't have the balls and ruthlessness to do what's needed to finally run over Ukraine.

Prigozin's men were dying because Moscow couldn't supply ammunition to his troops and they were being slaughtered.
Prigozin was headed to Moscow to explain it to the Kremlin. Why he stopped I don't know.

p.s. The Russians do not have the men or material to overrun Ukraine. NATO is giving Ukraine all the support they need to win.