The "heroic" act of NOT paying taxes.....

[Fenton Lum]

Sure, Trump supporters actually defend the very act of being able to afford cunning lawyers who help the very, very wealthy avoid the responsibility of paying their fair share of taxes.

This is nothing new, but it does contradict the premise that rich folks are "taxed too much" and that the very best way to stimulate the economy is to FURTHER cut their taxes, doesn't it?

Trump blew an enormous opportunity last night when he did NOT state that although he is masterful in avoiding his tax burden, that the best way to fix a corrupt system is to hire one who has benefited from the corrupt system....in the same way that one hires a former hacker to catch another hacker.

The "fair share" is what's required under the law. If you don't like the laws, change 'em.

That's exactly how we got where we are, anything can become "legal". Nice to see what you openly support, the subjugation of the unsubstantial people.

We are a nation of law. You have the power to attract like-minded people and if in sufficient numbers, change the laws.

Until then, up yours.

Gotta tell ya, I guffaw every single time I hear that phrase. "Legalized" genocide, "legalized" slavery, "legalized" corruption of all manner as we see you champion here, "legalized"for profit prisons, "legalized" gunning unarmed citizens down in the streets. "legalized" bogus endless war, "legalized" crashing of the economy and socialist bankster bailouts, "legalized" plundering of society by the substantial people.

More and more of the masses are awakening and understanding that's exactly what the substantial people think of the rest of us; "up yours"

You're right, that's it exactly. And even you will find at some point it's unsustainable, the illusion will crumble in time.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sure, Trump supporters actually defend the very act of being able to afford cunning lawyers who help the very, very wealthy avoid the responsibility of paying their fair share of taxes.

This is nothing new, but it does contradict the premise that rich folks are "taxed too much" and that the very best way to stimulate the economy is to FURTHER cut their taxes, doesn't it?

Trump blew an enormous opportunity last night when he did NOT state that although he is masterful in avoiding his tax burden, that the best way to fix a corrupt system is to hire one who has benefited from the corrupt system....in the same way that one hires a former hacker to catch another hacker.

The "fair share" is what's required under the law. If you don't like the laws, change 'em.

That's exactly how we got where we are, anything can become "legal". Nice to see what you openly support, the subjugation of the unsubstantial people.

We are a nation of law. You have the power to attract like-minded people and if in sufficient numbers, change the laws.

Until then, up yours.

Gotta tell ya, I guffaw every single time I hear that phrase. "Legalized" genocide, "legalized" slavery, "legalized" corruption of all manner as we see you champion here, "legalized"for profit prisons, "legalized" gunning unarmed citizens down in the streets. "legalized" bogus war, "legalized" crashing of the economy, "legalized" plundering of society by the substantial people.

More and more of the masses are awakening and understanding that's exactly what the substantial people think of the rest of us; "up yours"

You're right, that's it exactly. And even you will find at some point it's unsustainable, the illusion will crumble in time.

 

[nat4900]

So you think the 47% of people who pay no taxes are heroes?

Somehow the sarcasm of my title to the thread went right over your head. The 47% don't make enough to meaningfully contribute to the tax revenue........

here. I'll make it simpler to what I was stating:

If rich folks constantly figure out ways to pay little to no taxes, WHY are conservatives still supporting the idea of LOWERING these rich folks' tax rate?

 

[nat4900]

Hillary said the wealthy should pay their fair share. She should lead by example and pay her fair share now. There is no maximum tax rate. She can pay as much as she wants. She doesn't need to wait for Congress.

Inane and silly response.......We actually KNOW what Hillary paid because she has revealed her tax returns....
Trump's tax rate? Well, no one really knows and he sure as hell will not tell the voters.

 

[nat4900]

The "fair share" is what's required under the law. If you don't like the laws, change 'em.

Not that easy with conservative morons who actually vote and lobby AGAINST the common person's best interests.....I can picture the very wealthy actually snickering as to how they've managed to convince conservatives to back their corruption..

 

[hadit]

I find it interesting that when Trump owns up to (or admits, whatever your preference) that he pays as little tax as possible, he is predictably vilified by the usual suspects who apparently have no problem with someone like Warren Buffet who also hires armies of attorneys to minimize his tax bill. The difference? Buffet pretends he wants tax law to make him pay more (though what he says he wants wouldn't really raise his tax bill much at all), and the suspects believe him! Ultimately, though, the suspects aren't really mad at Trump for saying that. Had he said the exact opposite, they would have loudly and shrilly shrieked that he is an idiot who overpays his taxes.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So you think the 47% of people who pay no taxes are heroes?

Somehow the sarcasm of my title to the thread went right over your head. The 47% don't make enough to meaningfully contribute to the tax revenue........

here. I'll make it simpler to what I was stating:

If rich folks constantly figure out ways to pay little to no taxes, WHY are conservatives still supporting the idea of LOWERING these rich folks' tax base?

If they have an income they can pay income tax.

ANd I'm for everyone paying the same percentage in taxes.

You make $1 you pay 10 cents
You make $100 you pay $10
You make $1000000 you pay $100000

 

[hadit]

Sure, Trump supporters actually defend the very act of being able to afford cunning lawyers who help the very, very wealthy avoid the responsibility of paying their fair share of taxes.

This is nothing new, but it does contradict the premise that rich folks are "taxed too much" and that the very best way to stimulate the economy is to FURTHER cut their taxes, doesn't it?

Trump blew an enormous opportunity last night when he did NOT state that although he is masterful in avoiding his tax burden, that the best way to fix a corrupt system is to hire one who has benefited from the corrupt system....in the same way that one hires a former hacker to catch another hacker.

The "fair share" is what's required under the law. If you don't like the laws, change 'em.

Whenever "fair share" is brought up, insist on a number. Otherwise, it's just code for "MORE", always more.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

He is the owner and ceo of one of the corporations that actfully outsources, offshores and evades taxes. And nearly half this country wants to elect him?

Yeah, I bet your tax bill is a whopper.

 

[nat4900]

I find it interesting that when Trump owns up to (or admits, whatever your preference) that he pays as little tax as possible, he is predictably vilified by the usual suspects who apparently have no problem with someone like Warren Buffet who also hires armies of attorneys to minimize his tax bill.

....and I find it very interesting that after all these months I had NO idea that Buffet was actually running for president. Thanks for the update.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So you think the 47% of people who pay no taxes are heroes?

Somehow the sarcasm of my title to the thread went right over your head. The 47% don't make enough to meaningfully contribute to the tax revenue........

here. I'll make it simpler to what I was stating:

If rich folks constantly figure out ways to pay little to no taxes, WHY are conservatives still supporting the idea of LOWERING these rich folks' tax rate?

It frees up investment capital, i.e. job creation.

 

[nat4900]

It frees up investment capital, i.e. job creation.

Sure, and since Reagan's years you've been fed THAT bullshit theory and you're still waiting for that trickle down...AMAZING!

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The "fair share" is what's required under the law. If you don't like the laws, change 'em.

Not that easy with conservative morons who actually vote and lobby AGAINST the common person's best interests.....I can picture the very wealthy actually snickering as to how they've managed to convince conservatives to back their corruption..

Congress has the power to levy taxes ONLY for those purposes mandated by the Constitution for the government to administer. Writing law does not alter the Constitution.

I vote and lobby for my own and the country's interests. Other people's interests I deal with through charity, which is not a mandated function of the federal government, but a mere path to legalized theft when utilized by them.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sure, Trump supporters actually defend the very act of being able to afford cunning lawyers who help the very, very wealthy avoid the responsibility of paying their fair share of taxes.

This is nothing new, but it does contradict the premise that rich folks are "taxed too much" and that the very best way to stimulate the economy is to FURTHER cut their taxes, doesn't it?

Trump blew an enormous opportunity last night when he did NOT state that although he is masterful in avoiding his tax burden, that the best way to fix a corrupt system is to hire one who has benefited from the corrupt system....in the same way that one hires a former hacker to catch another hacker.

The "fair share" is what's required under the law. If you don't like the laws, change 'em.

Whenever "fair share" is brought up, insist on a number. Otherwise, it's just code for "MORE", always more.

I have. They never provide one.

I'd like to see a one-page tax code where all individuals and corporations pay a flat tax of 15-17 percent. Period. No deductions for anyone.

The level of income below which taxation is excused could be negotiated.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

It frees up investment capital, i.e. job creation.

Sure, and since Reagan's years you've been fed THAT bullshit theory and you're still waiting for that trickle down...AMAZING!

Not me.

And things were just dandy until 21st Century Democrats fucked everything up.

 

[Lewdog]

I just posted a NY Times article in the other thread that said the Clintons paid $3.6 million in taxes which was at a 35% rate.

Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have released their 2015 returns, showing that they paid $3.6 million in federal taxes on adjusted gross income of $10.6 million, for a 35 percent tax rate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

[JBond]

Sure, Trump supporters actually defend the very act of being able to afford cunning lawyers who help the very, very wealthy avoid the responsibility of paying their fair share of taxes.

This is nothing new, but it does contradict the premise that rich folks are "taxed too much" and that the very best way to stimulate the economy is to FURTHER cut their taxes, doesn't it?

Trump blew an enormous opportunity last night when he did NOT state that although he is masterful in avoiding his tax burden, that the best way to fix a corrupt system is to hire one who has benefited from the corrupt system....in the same way that one hires a former hacker to catch another hacker.

How much extra do you pay Nat? 10%? 50% more than you owe? How much?

 

[nat4900]

Not me.

And things were just dandy until 21st Century Democrats fucked everything up.

Always remember, GHB's "voodoo economics" quip....he was right on target.

 

[nat4900]

How much extra do you pay Nat? 10%? 50% more than you owe? How much?

I'll gladly let you know as soon as I announce my candidacy for president......
Do you know of any current candidate who refuses to let voters know what he is paying or not paying in taxes???

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It frees up investment capital, i.e. job creation.

Sure, and since Reagan's years you've been fed THAT bullshit theory and you're still waiting for that trickle down...AMAZING!

Tell us then, how does removing wealth from the private sector spurn investment?