The Homosexual Dilemma

[PaintMyHouse]

Hey, No *******, Faggots, or Jews gas station kid, it ain't happening again so it's time to fucking grow up and deal with reality little man.

 

[kaz]

So why don't you address my point if that's what you keep saying you want? Free markets are the best protection for gay rights.

Save that they aren't. Protecting and preserving rights are the best protection for gay rights.

Rights aren't a matter of sale. They aren't a commodity to be purchased, or traded. Which renders them unquantifiable to someone who looks at the world in terms of economics. Which is why we don't use economic measures as the metric of rights.

And you will protect rights with your socialist ideology no matter how many rights you have to crush to do it. Instead of walking across to the competitor of a discriminator and solving the problem, you run to government to get them to use their guns to do it. And then they use their guns to force endless innocent businesses to prove they aren't discriminating.

Government has no legitimate authority to use force to compel any of it's citizens to do business with another citizen.

No one is using their guns you little drama queen. Fuck you kids are dumb.

Try not doing what they want, then you will see the guns. Fuck you leftists are dumb.

We don't use guns that way asswipe. Grow up.

So if I don't serve gays and ignore whatever government does to force me to, then they won't come with guns? Seriously? You are an infant. You're the one who has to grow up.

So if the mafia sends you an invitation to buy insurance for your home, they aren't threatening you with guns because you didn't see the gun? You're the one who has to grow up. Also, I keep saying "the force of guns,"not "guns." We do what they say becasue we know what happens if we don't. You're not smart enough to recognize the difference, are you?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In some places they might be...in others not so much. For people living in large metropolitan areas with lots of choices, absolutely...in rural areas with often only one choice in services, not so much.

And if that were truly the case, ALL PA laws should be abolished, not just the gay ones...but there is no move to end them all is there, Kaz? Okay...one guy, Rand Paul, said something once on Rachel Maddow and has been walking it back ever since.

Of course all PA laws should be abolished, but expanding them is not a step to accomplishing that. They are all beyond worthless, they enable government power.

I hate Ayn Rand kids. Such worthless little fuckers, and cocky to boot.

If I have my way, you can still make your own choices. If you have your way, my right to make my choices is removed.

And you call me cocky? LOL, you're the cock.

Your choices are limited, for the benefit of others. Welcome to adulthood my little fucking infant. Whoever raised you should be spanked good and hard for giving the world such a selfish little moron.

With your endless stream of angry, ranting vulgarity and insults without any content to back it up, I wouldn't be calling anyone an "infant" if I were you.

You don't know how to call the sky blue you little dumbshit. You're a fucking child, and you sound just like one. Life is so unfair Mommy, and I can't do exactly what I want when I want to, fix it Mommy!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Save that they aren't. Protecting and preserving rights are the best protection for gay rights.

Rights aren't a matter of sale. They aren't a commodity to be purchased, or traded. Which renders them unquantifiable to someone who looks at the world in terms of economics. Which is why we don't use economic measures as the metric of rights.

And you will protect rights with your socialist ideology no matter how many rights you have to crush to do it. Instead of walking across to the competitor of a discriminator and solving the problem, you run to government to get them to use their guns to do it. And then they use their guns to force endless innocent businesses to prove they aren't discriminating.

Government has no legitimate authority to use force to compel any of it's citizens to do business with another citizen.

No one is using their guns you little drama queen. Fuck you kids are dumb.

Try not doing what they want, then you will see the guns. Fuck you leftists are dumb.

We don't use guns that way asswipe. Grow up.

So if I don't serve gays and ignore whatever government does to force me to, then they won't come with guns? Seriously? You are an infant. You're the one who has to grow up.

So if the mafia sends you an invitation to buy insurance for your home, they aren't threatening you with guns because you didn't see the gun? You're the one who has to grow up. Also, I keep saying "the force of guns,"not "guns." We do what they say becasue we know what happens if we don't. You're not smart enough to recognize the difference, are you?

No, they won't come with guns you goddamned stupid infant.

Where do you little total morons get this utterly stupid shit from?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Government remains a necessary component of society, and that Kaz does not like it means. . . nothing to the universe.

Kaz's world would very likely revert to the mad men like Where R My Keys taking over and killing all homosexuals.

 

[peach174]

Gays would not have to complain about their rights if it wasn't for big government that is taking their rights away in the first place.
The smaller the government the more rights all of us have.
Gays have been unfairly taxed with inheritance laws because of bigger government.
They can't see their loved ones because of hospital rules of only relatives.
That is not only for Gays rights but for all of us, just recently a littler girl who survived a plane crash wanted the man who helped her when she knocked on his door, to go to the hospital with her, but he couldn't because he was not a relative. Hospitals had to make that rule because of bid government.
That little girl had just lost her parents and all she wanted was a kind grownup with her for comfort.
If it wasn't for the stupid rules of big government for marriage licenses, gays could get married how ever they wished.
The bigger the government the more of all of our rights are being taken away.
The smaller the government the more rights we have for all of us as Americans.

 

[Skylar]

I'd prefer to just skip the entire schtick, and stick with the topic of gay rights and the imaginary 'homosexual dillema'.

So why don't you address my point if that's what you keep saying you want? Free markets are the best protection for gay rights.

Save that they aren't. Protecting and preserving rights are the best protection for gay rights.

Rights aren't a matter of sale. They aren't a commodity to be purchased, or traded. Which renders them unquantifiable to someone who looks at the world in terms of economics. Which is why we don't use economic measures as the metric of rights.

And you will protect rights with your socialist ideology no matter how many rights you have to crush to do it.

And you're back to your libertarian schtick. No one gives a fuck about your little obsession with 'socialists'. This is a thread about gays, homoseuxality, gay rights, gays in society, etc.

Government has no legitimate authority to use force to compel any of it's citizens to do business with another citizen.

States have jurisdiction over intra state commerce. Its completely within their authority to regulate commerce. And completely reasonable for the States to set basic minimum standards for conducting business: that you treat your customers fairly and equally.

Legally and ethically, the States are on firm footing.

And since rights aren't commodities, the entire concept of allowing the 'free market' to decide it is just ludicrous. And certainly not a belief expressed or practiced by the founders. What you're describing is the tyranny of the majority. And the founders despised the concept. As would any rational person.

 

[bodecea]

He didn't say you were, he said you were like a born again Christian...a Born Again Libertarian.

From the ultimate one trick pony, every thread turns into a gay thread. Thanks for that clarification. It's not like you two geniuses consistently advocate liberalism, what a great point. LOL.

Save this thread actually is about gays.

Do try and keep up.

Right, and my answer, simpleton, is to give gays the greatest protection, the protection of the marketplace. Let the odd screwball who limits who they do business with harm themselves. Only government can enforce discrimination. A free market rewards those who don't discriminate.

How exactly does the marketplace provide protection?

 

[Skylar]

So if I don't serve gays and ignore whatever government does to force me to, then they won't come with guns? Seriously? You are an infant. You're the one who has to grow up.

Nope. The government will fine you. As you've violated the civil law and are subject to financial penalties. And since the States have exclusive jurisdiction over intra state commerce, they have every authority to establish minimum standards of conduct when doing business. Such as....treating your customers fairly and equally.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Gays would not have to complain about their rights if it wasn't for big government that is taking their rights away in the first place.
The smaller the government the more rights all of us have.
Gays have been unfairly taxed with inheritance laws because of bigger government.
They can't see their loved ones because of hospital rules of only relatives.
That is not only for Gays rights but for all of us, just recently a littler girl who survived a plane crash wanted the man who helped her when she knocked on his door, to go to the hospital with her, but he couldn't because he was not a relative. Hospitals had to make that rule because of bid government.
That little girl had just lost her parents and all she wanted was a kind grownup with her for comfort.
If it wasn't for the stupid rules of big government for marriage licenses, gays could get married how ever they wished.
The bigger the government the more of all of our rights are being taken away.
The smaller the government the more rights we have for all of us as Americans.

Your conclusion is false, and the material above it does not lead to your conclusion.

Only through bigger government were the slaves freed, women enfranchised, segregation ended, older teens empowered, and soon gays will be able to marry everywhere just like all heterosexuals.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

He didn't say you were, he said you were like a born again Christian...a Born Again Libertarian.

From the ultimate one trick pony, every thread turns into a gay thread. Thanks for that clarification. It's not like you two geniuses consistently advocate liberalism, what a great point. LOL.

Save this thread actually is about gays.

Do try and keep up.

Right, and my answer, simpleton, is to give gays the greatest protection, the protection of the marketplace. Let the odd screwball who limits who they do business with harm themselves. Only government can enforce discrimination. A free market rewards those who don't discriminate.

How exactly does the marketplace provide protection?

He thinks the No Faggots bakery, the only one in town, will either go out of business or someone will open up a Faggots Welcome bakery, when there isn't enough business even for the first one. The fact that the first one has a customer base of 97% and other 3% never crosses his tiny mind.

 

[kaz]

Government remains a necessary component of society, and that Kaz does not like it means. . . nothing to the universe.

Kaz's world would very likely revert to the mad men like Where R My Keys taking over and killing all homosexuals.

Yes, moron, I'm anarchist. Got it.

 

[kaz]

You don't know how to call the sky blue you little dumbshit. You're a fucking child, and you sound just like one. Life is so unfair Mommy, and I can't do exactly what I want when I want to, fix it Mommy!

I sound like the child? LOL, read your posts.

 

[kaz]

I'd prefer to just skip the entire schtick, and stick with the topic of gay rights and the imaginary 'homosexual dillema'.

So why don't you address my point if that's what you keep saying you want? Free markets are the best protection for gay rights.

Save that they aren't. Protecting and preserving rights are the best protection for gay rights.

Rights aren't a matter of sale. They aren't a commodity to be purchased, or traded. Which renders them unquantifiable to someone who looks at the world in terms of economics. Which is why we don't use economic measures as the metric of rights.

And you will protect rights with your socialist ideology no matter how many rights you have to crush to do it.

And you're back to your libertarian schtick. No one gives a fuck about your little obsession with 'socialists'. This is a thread about gays, homoseuxality, gay rights, gays in society, etc.

Government has no legitimate authority to use force to compel any of it's citizens to do business with another citizen.

States have jurisdiction over intra state commerce. Its completely within their authority to regulate commerce. And completely reasonable for the States to set basic minimum standards for conducting business: that you treat your customers fairly and equally.

Legally and ethically, the States are on firm footing.

And since rights aren't commodities, the entire concept of allowing the 'free market' to decide it is just ludicrous. And certainly not a belief expressed or practiced by the founders. What you're describing is the tyranny of the majority. And the founders despised the concept. As would any rational person.

Again with the socialism obsession. You say "rights" aren't commodities. You have negative rights, the right to be left alone to live your own life. The positive rights you assert, the right to force someone to do business with you is an entirely socialist construct and yes, it's completely morally and ethically wrong. If someone doesn't want to do business with me for being a blond haired blue eyed white guy, that's their choice. My money is greed. Your money is green. Gay's money is green. Green is the only color most of us in business care about. As for legally, yes, in our system the States do have that power though. The Federal government does not by the 10th amendment.

 

[kaz]

He didn't say you were, he said you were like a born again Christian...a Born Again Libertarian.

From the ultimate one trick pony, every thread turns into a gay thread. Thanks for that clarification. It's not like you two geniuses consistently advocate liberalism, what a great point. LOL.

Save this thread actually is about gays.

Do try and keep up.

Right, and my answer, simpleton, is to give gays the greatest protection, the protection of the marketplace. Let the odd screwball who limits who they do business with harm themselves. Only government can enforce discrimination. A free market rewards those who don't discriminate.

How exactly does the marketplace provide protection?

Choice

 

[kaz]

So if I don't serve gays and ignore whatever government does to force me to, then they won't come with guns? Seriously? You are an infant. You're the one who has to grow up.

Nope. The government will fine you. As you've violated the civil law and are subject to financial penalties. And since the States have exclusive jurisdiction over intra state commerce, they have every authority to establish minimum standards of conduct when doing business. Such as....treating your customers fairly and equally.

And I don't go to court and I don't pay the fine, now what?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So if I don't serve gays and ignore whatever government does to force me to, then they won't come with guns? Seriously? You are an infant. You're the one who has to grow up.

Nope. The government will fine you. As you've violated the civil law and are subject to financial penalties. And since the States have exclusive jurisdiction over intra state commerce, they have every authority to establish minimum standards of conduct when doing business. Such as....treating your customers fairly and equally.

And I don't go to court and I don't pay the fine, now what?

You get arrested dumbass, and your business closed down. Follow the fucking laws.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You don't know how to call the sky blue you little dumbshit. You're a fucking child, and you sound just like one. Life is so unfair Mommy, and I can't do exactly what I want when I want to, fix it Mommy!

I sound like the child? LOL, read your posts.

I not only read them, I write them you goddamned infant. Go play, no one cares about your bullshit AynRandLand.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It depends on who you talk to. There are many who will argue that the only basis of morality is god. And if you use your reason, you're a relativist who is evil and believes in nothing. And that their faith is objective truth, as it comes directly from god. I'm not joking or inaccurately paraphrasing here. I can show you virtually exact quotes that say as much.

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My observation is that for ever person who deals in arbitrary moral absolutes on the right, there is, in fact, a practitioner of moral relativism on the left. Just looking at the large number of leftists who defend Islamism, rationalize acts of terror, or defend grossly misogynistic practices as long as they arise in any part of the world other than what we consider our own, I would say that there are plenty of people who do embody these charges. Just as the right can have a tendency to argue from a position of moral absolutes, the left can get so caught up in trying to distance themselves from morality that they take on positions that are nearly nihilistic. Instead of articulating a superior morality that IS based upon reason, far too many avoid the very notion altogether.

Instead of arguing from the position "does this action cause harm?", "Is it oppressive?" or "does it involve one person denying the rights of another", far too many on BOTH sides of an issue merely respond in terms of "what am I expected to say?", "what do all those who share my chosen ideology say?" or "what is the politically correct response?".

 

[bodecea]

He didn't say you were, he said you were like a born again Christian...a Born Again Libertarian.

From the ultimate one trick pony, every thread turns into a gay thread. Thanks for that clarification. It's not like you two geniuses consistently advocate liberalism, what a great point. LOL.

Save this thread actually is about gays.

Do try and keep up.

Right, and my answer, simpleton, is to give gays the greatest protection, the protection of the marketplace. Let the odd screwball who limits who they do business with harm themselves. Only government can enforce discrimination. A free market rewards those who don't discriminate.

How exactly does the marketplace provide protection?

Choice

Explain more than that, please. Because a weakness I see is tyranny of the majority based on that is there the most money is to be made, with the minorities pretty much ignored.