the horror of partial birth abortion !!

[Care4all]

BTW, partial birth abortion was BANNED in 2003, under the Bush administration....that was 15 years ago....?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ah, the horror. We all know the Republicans hate horror, which is why they have universal health care and never, ever go to war.

what a stupid attempt at deflection !! show me any modern law or military code that allows for the purposeful slaughter of innocent people !

It's hardly "a stupid deflection".

Your argument revolves around "purposeful slaughter" as if Bush making the decision to go to war wouldn't end up in slaughter, and it was a purposeful war. The war didn't need to happen. The decision to get rid of the Iraqi police and army was every worse. Probably designed to cause chaos in Iraq.

You can try and twist things so that only abortion comes out as being bad, but it's not going to work.

Half-effort-try^^

Individual Americans--citizens, citizen-soldiers, nor the active duty--had an individual choice to go to war, nor enact a single related foreign policy affecting the Iraqi people. Call out evil where it lies. I clearly recall a heavily armed UN peacekeeping force standing idly by as tens of thousands of Rwandan civilians were butchered. You know as well as I that abortion is an individual choice; a nation going to war is not. Disappointing.

But then Bush had a choice to go to war, and he made the choice for war. Many people supported this war. Most of them right wingers.

Poll: Yes, Republicans Still Like The Iraq War

In 2015, 12 years after the event.

"

• Democrats: Right thing, 16 percent; Wrong thing, 78 percent.
• Republicans: Right thing, 62 percent; Wrong thing, 28 percent.
• Independents: Right thing, 26 percent; Wrong thing, 65 percent."

A majority of Republicans think it was still the right thing to do. Only about one in four thought it was the wrong thing to do.

And these people hate abortion because....

Once again, supporting one's nation going to war is not the same as commanding our armed forces to do so. Responsibility for deaths among Iraqi civilians lies with the leaders of our nation, not the individual American. Responsibility for the death of a child by abortion lies with the mother-to-be and the abortionist performing the procedure.

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

 

[night_son]

BTW, partial birth abortion was BANNED in 2003, under the Bush administration....that was 15 years ago....?

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban's Legal Loophole

 

[night_son]

what a stupid attempt at deflection !! show me any modern law or military code that allows for the purposeful slaughter of innocent people !

It's hardly "a stupid deflection".

Your argument revolves around "purposeful slaughter" as if Bush making the decision to go to war wouldn't end up in slaughter, and it was a purposeful war. The war didn't need to happen. The decision to get rid of the Iraqi police and army was every worse. Probably designed to cause chaos in Iraq.

You can try and twist things so that only abortion comes out as being bad, but it's not going to work.

Half-effort-try^^

Individual Americans--citizens, citizen-soldiers, nor the active duty--had an individual choice to go to war, nor enact a single related foreign policy affecting the Iraqi people. Call out evil where it lies. I clearly recall a heavily armed UN peacekeeping force standing idly by as tens of thousands of Rwandan civilians were butchered. You know as well as I that abortion is an individual choice; a nation going to war is not. Disappointing.

But then Bush had a choice to go to war, and he made the choice for war. Many people supported this war. Most of them right wingers.

Poll: Yes, Republicans Still Like The Iraq War

In 2015, 12 years after the event.

"

• Democrats: Right thing, 16 percent; Wrong thing, 78 percent.
• Republicans: Right thing, 62 percent; Wrong thing, 28 percent.
• Independents: Right thing, 26 percent; Wrong thing, 65 percent."

A majority of Republicans think it was still the right thing to do. Only about one in four thought it was the wrong thing to do.

And these people hate abortion because....

Once again, supporting one's nation going to war is not the same as commanding our armed forces to do so. Responsibility for deaths among Iraqi civilians lies with the leaders of our nation, not the individual American. Responsibility for the death of a child by abortion lies with the mother-to-be and the abortionist performing the procedure.

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's hardly "a stupid deflection".

Your argument revolves around "purposeful slaughter" as if Bush making the decision to go to war wouldn't end up in slaughter, and it was a purposeful war. The war didn't need to happen. The decision to get rid of the Iraqi police and army was every worse. Probably designed to cause chaos in Iraq.

You can try and twist things so that only abortion comes out as being bad, but it's not going to work.

Half-effort-try^^

Individual Americans--citizens, citizen-soldiers, nor the active duty--had an individual choice to go to war, nor enact a single related foreign policy affecting the Iraqi people. Call out evil where it lies. I clearly recall a heavily armed UN peacekeeping force standing idly by as tens of thousands of Rwandan civilians were butchered. You know as well as I that abortion is an individual choice; a nation going to war is not. Disappointing.

But then Bush had a choice to go to war, and he made the choice for war. Many people supported this war. Most of them right wingers.

Poll: Yes, Republicans Still Like The Iraq War

In 2015, 12 years after the event.

"

• Democrats: Right thing, 16 percent; Wrong thing, 78 percent.
• Republicans: Right thing, 62 percent; Wrong thing, 28 percent.
• Independents: Right thing, 26 percent; Wrong thing, 65 percent."

A majority of Republicans think it was still the right thing to do. Only about one in four thought it was the wrong thing to do.

And these people hate abortion because....

Once again, supporting one's nation going to war is not the same as commanding our armed forces to do so. Responsibility for deaths among Iraqi civilians lies with the leaders of our nation, not the individual American. Responsibility for the death of a child by abortion lies with the mother-to-be and the abortionist performing the procedure.

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

 

[irosie91]

there is no for me need to describe this brutal practice in detail .........the video below explains it the basic concept and practice . if you support this procedure when the pregnancy poses no threat to the mother or vote for a party that endorses this vile act of murder then you are a sick human being !

You understand that procedure was banned in the US a long time ago, don't you?

CDC: Nearly 13,000 Fully Developed Babies Aborted Each Year | Breitbart

bullshit------21 weeks is not "FULLY DEVELOPED" 39 - 40 weeks is
FULLY DEVELOPED

 

[irosie91]

CDC: Nearly 13,000 Fully Developed Babies Aborted Each Year | Breitbart

13,000 fully developed babies aborted annually.

Link in the article to the CDC page detailing the above.

how many due to medical reasons out of those13,000?

probably most of them-----a problem for either the mother or the fetus----even after 21 weeks

 

[night_son]

Half-effort-try^^

Individual Americans--citizens, citizen-soldiers, nor the active duty--had an individual choice to go to war, nor enact a single related foreign policy affecting the Iraqi people. Call out evil where it lies. I clearly recall a heavily armed UN peacekeeping force standing idly by as tens of thousands of Rwandan civilians were butchered. You know as well as I that abortion is an individual choice; a nation going to war is not. Disappointing.

But then Bush had a choice to go to war, and he made the choice for war. Many people supported this war. Most of them right wingers.

Poll: Yes, Republicans Still Like The Iraq War

In 2015, 12 years after the event.

"

• Democrats: Right thing, 16 percent; Wrong thing, 78 percent.
• Republicans: Right thing, 62 percent; Wrong thing, 28 percent.
• Independents: Right thing, 26 percent; Wrong thing, 65 percent."

A majority of Republicans think it was still the right thing to do. Only about one in four thought it was the wrong thing to do.

And these people hate abortion because....

Once again, supporting one's nation going to war is not the same as commanding our armed forces to do so. Responsibility for deaths among Iraqi civilians lies with the leaders of our nation, not the individual American. Responsibility for the death of a child by abortion lies with the mother-to-be and the abortionist performing the procedure.

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

Bombs and bullets kill people by policy. Women who chose abortion alone are responsible for their unborn child's death. Or by your reasoning, are you stating that a U.S. Supreme Court decision has forced tens of millions of women into abortion clinics by means of the people who elected the President who then appointed the Justices who decided for Roe?

 

[McRocket]

Whatever...this changes nothing with me.

If there is brain activity - abortions should be illegal (outside of mother's danger)

If there is no brain activity - abortions should be legal.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But then Bush had a choice to go to war, and he made the choice for war. Many people supported this war. Most of them right wingers.

Poll: Yes, Republicans Still Like The Iraq War

In 2015, 12 years after the event.

"

• Democrats: Right thing, 16 percent; Wrong thing, 78 percent.
• Republicans: Right thing, 62 percent; Wrong thing, 28 percent.
• Independents: Right thing, 26 percent; Wrong thing, 65 percent."

A majority of Republicans think it was still the right thing to do. Only about one in four thought it was the wrong thing to do.

And these people hate abortion because....

Once again, supporting one's nation going to war is not the same as commanding our armed forces to do so. Responsibility for deaths among Iraqi civilians lies with the leaders of our nation, not the individual American. Responsibility for the death of a child by abortion lies with the mother-to-be and the abortionist performing the procedure.

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

Bombs and bullets kill people by policy. Women who chose abortion alone are responsible for their unborn child's death. Or by your reasoning, are you stating that a U.S. Supreme Court decision has forced tens of millions of women into abortion clinics by means of the people who elected the President who then appointed the Justices who decided for Roe?

So, here's what I think you've said.


Soldiers aren't responsible for the killing they commit, because they didn't make the decision to go to war. They're just doing their job.

The President, C-in-C isn't responsible because he didn't physically do any of the killing.

The voters aren't responsible because they didn't physically do any of the killing.

So war is perfectly okay. It's okay to go to another country, drop bombs on people, shoot people, cause all kinds of mayhem that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

But abortion is wrong because the woman makes the decision to have that abortion.

Twisted bullshit. You're trying to make arguments fit what you want to say.

 

[night_son]

Once again, supporting one's nation going to war is not the same as commanding our armed forces to do so. Responsibility for deaths among Iraqi civilians lies with the leaders of our nation, not the individual American. Responsibility for the death of a child by abortion lies with the mother-to-be and the abortionist performing the procedure.

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

Bombs and bullets kill people by policy. Women who chose abortion alone are responsible for their unborn child's death. Or by your reasoning, are you stating that a U.S. Supreme Court decision has forced tens of millions of women into abortion clinics by means of the people who elected the President who then appointed the Justices who decided for Roe?

So, here's what I think you've said.


Soldiers aren't responsible for the killing they commit, because they didn't make the decision to go to war. They're just doing their job.

The President, C-in-C isn't responsible because he didn't physically do any of the killing.

The voters aren't responsible because they didn't physically do any of the killing.

So war is perfectly okay. It's okay to go to another country, drop bombs on people, shoot people, cause all kinds of mayhem that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

But abortion is wrong because the woman makes the decision to have that abortion.

Twisted bullshit. You're trying to make arguments fit what you want to say.

As you make an argument to compare war to abortion and war as justification for, and a lessening of the evil of, killing the unborn. Sounds rather twisted to me.

 

[irosie91]

Whatever...this changes nothing with me.

If there is brain activity - abortions should be illegal (outside of mother's danger)

If there is no brain activity - abortions should be legal.

you said that one to the WRONG person------ever try to do an EEG on a fetus?

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, it's not.

Voting for the President that went to war, giving him a mandate for another four years, is actually the same.

Responsibility for the deaths lie with those who have the power. The voters have the power. It's THEIR government (supposedly), so.....

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

Bombs and bullets kill people by policy. Women who chose abortion alone are responsible for their unborn child's death. Or by your reasoning, are you stating that a U.S. Supreme Court decision has forced tens of millions of women into abortion clinics by means of the people who elected the President who then appointed the Justices who decided for Roe?

So, here's what I think you've said.


Soldiers aren't responsible for the killing they commit, because they didn't make the decision to go to war. They're just doing their job.

The President, C-in-C isn't responsible because he didn't physically do any of the killing.

The voters aren't responsible because they didn't physically do any of the killing.

So war is perfectly okay. It's okay to go to another country, drop bombs on people, shoot people, cause all kinds of mayhem that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

But abortion is wrong because the woman makes the decision to have that abortion.

Twisted bullshit. You're trying to make arguments fit what you want to say.

As you make an argument to compare war to abortion and war as justification for, and a lessening of the evil of, killing the unborn. Sounds rather twisted to me.

No, I'm not.

I'm making the argument that a lot of the anti-abortion people are hypocritical fucks.

 

[night_son]

No.

Civilian voters do not load their vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s, and then deploy to theatres of war at the command of the commander in chief by proxy of the officers appointed above them. Nor do soldiers make foreign policy. As a deductive argument, the truth of your conclusion cannot be established--either by blame or consequence.

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

Bombs and bullets kill people by policy. Women who chose abortion alone are responsible for their unborn child's death. Or by your reasoning, are you stating that a U.S. Supreme Court decision has forced tens of millions of women into abortion clinics by means of the people who elected the President who then appointed the Justices who decided for Roe?

So, here's what I think you've said.


Soldiers aren't responsible for the killing they commit, because they didn't make the decision to go to war. They're just doing their job.

The President, C-in-C isn't responsible because he didn't physically do any of the killing.

The voters aren't responsible because they didn't physically do any of the killing.

So war is perfectly okay. It's okay to go to another country, drop bombs on people, shoot people, cause all kinds of mayhem that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

But abortion is wrong because the woman makes the decision to have that abortion.

Twisted bullshit. You're trying to make arguments fit what you want to say.

As you make an argument to compare war to abortion and war as justification for, and a lessening of the evil of, killing the unborn. Sounds rather twisted to me.

No, I'm not.

I'm making the argument that a lot of the anti-abortion people are hypocritical fucks.

As devil's advocate to this issue, tell me please--honestly--to the best of your hypothetical ability, if an enemy force was at the hypothetical gates of your town or city, would you volunteer to fight and kill them in order to protect not your nation, but to defend your family?

Many soldiers serving on active duty, despite their willingness to follow orders according to their oath of service, honestly believed fighting and dying in South Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi, Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia, Iraq, Tajikistan and Afghanistan was the same as defending their families and the nation their families were back home living within the borders of. Whether their belief in a given war's justification proved valid or not, cannot ever erase or remove the validity held that in their initial belief it was.

 

[Muhammed]

You understand that procedure was banned in the US a long time ago, don't you?

yeah groups like planned parenthood kill the baby using a different method before birth ! the point is the left fought savagely against the ban and still supports the practice under bullshit technicalities !

Your thread is bullshit. It's about a procedure that was banned decades ago.

so you are against planned parenthood and late term abortions ?

I'm 100% for Planned Parenthood, and late term abortions have been banned for years. Your rhetoric might work at a KKK meeting, or a trump rally, but among regular people they are just stupid.

and your bullshit reflection may be common practice at a communist convention or a gay pride event ! the fact is it is still being done ! Planned Parenthood still does partial-birth abortions -- they just aren't telling you

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, the president didn't load his vehicles onto transport ships, climb aboard C-141s and C-130s and then deploy to theaters of war.

The president sits at home talking to people. His life isn't at risk. He doesn't get shot at.

What the fuck is your point?

Bombs and bullets kill people by policy. Women who chose abortion alone are responsible for their unborn child's death. Or by your reasoning, are you stating that a U.S. Supreme Court decision has forced tens of millions of women into abortion clinics by means of the people who elected the President who then appointed the Justices who decided for Roe?

So, here's what I think you've said.


Soldiers aren't responsible for the killing they commit, because they didn't make the decision to go to war. They're just doing their job.

The President, C-in-C isn't responsible because he didn't physically do any of the killing.

The voters aren't responsible because they didn't physically do any of the killing.

So war is perfectly okay. It's okay to go to another country, drop bombs on people, shoot people, cause all kinds of mayhem that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

But abortion is wrong because the woman makes the decision to have that abortion.

Twisted bullshit. You're trying to make arguments fit what you want to say.

As you make an argument to compare war to abortion and war as justification for, and a lessening of the evil of, killing the unborn. Sounds rather twisted to me.

No, I'm not.

I'm making the argument that a lot of the anti-abortion people are hypocritical fucks.

As devil's advocate to this issue, tell me please--honestly--to the best of your hypothetical ability, if an enemy force was at the hypothetical gates of your town or city, would you volunteer to fight and kill them in order to protect not your nation, but to defend your family?

Many soldiers serving on active duty, despite their willingness to follow orders according to their oath of service, honestly believed fighting and dying in South Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi, Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia, Iraq, Tajikistan and Afghanistan was the same as defending their families and the nation their families were back home living within the borders of. Whether their belief in a given war's justification proved valid or not, cannot ever erase or remove the validity held that in their initial belief it was.

There's a big difference between defense of your home, and going thousands of miles away from your home to start a fight, isn't there?

Iraq was an attack by the US.

 

[BULLDOG]

You understand that procedure was banned in the US a long time ago, don't you?

yeah groups like planned parenthood kill the baby using a different method before birth ! the point is the left fought savagely against the ban and still supports the practice under bullshit technicalities !

Your thread is bullshit. It's about a procedure that was banned decades ago.

so you are against planned parenthood and late term abortions ?

I'm 100% for Planned Parenthood, and late term abortions have been banned for years. Your rhetoric might work at a KKK meeting, or a trump rally, but among regular people they are just stupid.

and your bullshit reflection may be common practice at a communist convention or a gay pride event ! the fact is it is still being done ! Planned Parenthood still does partial-birth abortions -- they just aren't telling you

Really? Where did you get that information?

 

[tyroneweaver]

there is no for me need to describe this brutal practice in detail .........the video below explains it the basic concept and practice . if you support this procedure when the pregnancy poses no threat to the mother or vote for a party that endorses this vile act of murder then you are a sick human being !

Ah, the horror. We all know the Republicans hate horror, which is why they have universal health care and never, ever go to war.

what a stupid attempt at deflection !! show me any modern law or military code that allows for the purposeful slaughter of innocent people !

It's hardly "a stupid deflection".

Your argument revolves around "purposeful slaughter" as if Bush making the decision to go to war wouldn't end up in slaughter, and it was a purposeful war. The war didn't need to happen. The decision to get rid of the Iraqi police and army was every worse. Probably designed to cause chaos in Iraq.

You can try and twist things so that only abortion comes out as being bad, but it's not going to work.

WW2
Korea
Vietnam

Ya sure