The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

[Erand7899]

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

But not free vaginas and uteruses. Those you want highly regulated.

Come to think of it, you want to regulate penises and anuses too.

The right seems obsessed with regulating the most private intimate parts.

They really don't believe in privacy or freedom at all.

If the above is your concept of economic freedom, you have a mental problem that cannot be solved here.

I am conservative, and I am a live and let live type of person. Most of the conservatives that I know, are also live and let live types. Consenting adults can do anything they want with their vaginas, uteruses, penieses and anuses, just as long as they stay out of my face with their nonsense. Nor, am I obligated to put my stamp of approval on any of their sexual practices, reproductive practices, or abortions.

 

[Erand7899]

The FREEDOM to worship Christ and only Christ.

More nonsense! You have the freedom to worship any God that you desire to worship. Too bad many of you left wingers don't want to cede the same right to others.

 

[rdean]

Somehow the tards on the right have convinced themselves our government is not elected.

 

[Erand7899]

Government makes America America and different from that spot of sand out in the middle of the ocean. Freedom is that spot of sand in the middle of nowhere, the stuff Animal Farm and Lord of the Flies are made from. Government gives us some freedom whereas freedom ends up giving us no freedom.

The fact that you seem to think that government gives us freedom, means that you have neither an understanding of freedom, nor an understanding of America. Freedom is the nature of man and freedom should only be ceded to society and government in sufficient quantity to ensure the rest of our freedom.

Government is constituted to serve the citizens. Citizens are not here to serve the government.

 

[Erand7899]

The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.


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That may have been true before 1935. It is no longer true.

Socialist measures such as the Federal Reserve Board, the "income"tax and social INsecurity received BIpartisan support.

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That statement would only be true, if you assume that all Republicans were conservative. They weren't then, and they aren't now.

 

[Bfgrn]

Government makes America America and different from that spot of sand out in the middle of the ocean. Freedom is that spot of sand in the middle of nowhere, the stuff Animal Farm and Lord of the Flies are made from. Government gives us some freedom whereas freedom ends up giving us no freedom.

The fact that you seem to think that government gives us freedom, means that you have neither an understanding of freedom, nor an understanding of America. Freedom is the nature of man and freedom should only be ceded to society and government in sufficient quantity to ensure the rest of our freedom.

Government is constituted to serve the citizens. Citizens are not here to serve the government.

We, the People ARE the government. You right wing turds cannot comprehend that concept. Social Darwinism is not freedom. It is an aristocracy, which is what conservatives have ALWAYS tried to build.

As July 4, 1826 approached, Thomas Jefferson was invited to appear in Washington for a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Age and infirmity prevented Jefferson from attending the event. But he sent a message -- his last political statement -- which read:

“May (July 4) be to the world, what I believe it will be -- to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all -- the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form (of government) which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”

 

[Erand7899]

Somehow the tards on the right have convinced themselves our government is not elected.

That idocy is a figment of your own imagination, and like most of your observations, is a senseless utterance.

 

[Erand7899]

Government makes America America and different from that spot of sand out in the middle of the ocean. Freedom is that spot of sand in the middle of nowhere, the stuff Animal Farm and Lord of the Flies are made from. Government gives us some freedom whereas freedom ends up giving us no freedom.

The fact that you seem to think that government gives us freedom, means that you have neither an understanding of freedom, nor an understanding of America. Freedom is the nature of man and freedom should only be ceded to society and government in sufficient quantity to ensure the rest of our freedom.

Government is constituted to serve the citizens. Citizens are not here to serve the government.

We, the People ARE the government. You right wing turds cannot comprehend that concept. Social Darwinism is not freedom. It is an aristocracy, which is what conservatives have ALWAYS tried to build.

As July 4, 1826 approached, Thomas Jefferson was invited to appear in Washington for a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Age and infirmity prevented Jefferson from attending the event. But he sent a message -- his last political statement -- which read:

“May (July 4) be to the world, what I believe it will be -- to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all -- the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form (of government) which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”

No, we the people are not the government, and have never been the government. The people we elect, plus the vast bureaucracy and appointees, are the government. They make the laws, rules, and regulations which govern our actions. Government is the entity that governs. The only thing we get to govern is ourselves.

To protect us from government, constitutions were enacted that limited what government at both the state and federal levels could do in their governance of us. At the federal level, those limits have pretty well been wiped out by those we elected to serve us and by the appointees to the supreme court.

 

[S.J.]

They're for small government...small enough to fit in your bedroom or in your doctor's office.

It takes nerve to say something like that after supporting Obamacare.

It takes nerve to say something like that and exhibit your ignorance concerning the ACA, where the Act doesn’t ‘force’ anyone to do anything.

In fact, it’s conservatives who seek to empower the state and make government larger to force women to have children they do not want, deny same-sex couples their equal protection rights, deny minorities their right to vote, deny transgender persons their right to free expression, and deny gay Americans their individual liberty.

Conservatives are, for the most part, authoritarian, hostile to diversity and dissent – and they seek to make government larger and more powerful accordingly.

You're full of shit. ACA lays open your medical records to the government and anyone they choose to share them with. It also forces everyone to pay for other people's birth control and abortions.
The rest of what you said is a crock of shit too. Nobody wants to deny minorities the right to vote, Mr. Red Herring. All we want is to ensure they only vote ONCE, and that they are LEGAL CITIZENS. You liberal douche bags call that discrimination, while at the same time throwing out military absentee ballots.
As for the other bullshit statements you made, I couldn't care less if two men or two women want to marry each other, just don't try to force me perform the ceremony if I'm a minister, or subsidize them if they want to adopt a child to indoctrinate.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

But not free vaginas and uteruses. Those you want highly regulated.

Come to think of it, you want to regulate penises and anuses too.

The right seems obsessed with regulating the most private intimate parts.

They really don't believe in privacy or freedom at all.

They're for small government...small enough to fit in your bedroom or in your doctor's office.

Honey, you dragged us into your doctor's office the day you decided we the taxpayers needed to pay for your birth control. Worse, you dragged us in kicking and screaming, because you CAN'T believe any of us ever wanted to know ANYTHING about your coochie or what you did with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."
Thomas Jefferson to the Republican Citizens of Washington County, Maryland" (March 31, 1809).

The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Thomas Jefferson - Letter to Larkin Smith (1809).

"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known & seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men. Error indeed has often prevailed by the assistance of power or force. Truth is the proper & sufficient antagonist to error.
Thomas Jefferson - Notes on Religion (October 1776), published in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson : 1816–1826 (1899) edited by Paul Leicester Ford, v. 2, p. 102.

"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

"I willingly acquiesce in the institutions of my country, perfect or imperfect, and think it a duty to leave their modifications to those who are to live under them and are to participate of the good or evil they may produce. The present generation has the same right of self-government which the past one has exercised for itself." --Thomas Jefferson to John Hampden Pleasants, 1824. ME 16:29

"What is true of every member of the society, individually, is true of them all collectively; since the rights of the whole can be no more than the sum of the rights of the individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:455, Papers 15:393

"To unequal privileges among members of the same society the spirit of our nation is, with one accord, adverse." --Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258

"The most sacred of the duties of a government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens." --Thomas Jefferson: Note in Destutt de Tracy, "Political Economy," 1816. ME 14:465

What does any of that have to do with supporting Obama's big-government agenda? Jefferson sounds like a classical liberal, which is what I am. He is not, however, a progressive, a movement that tarnished the liberal name starting in the early 1900's.

Liberals have an obsession with their genitals, as the many posts on here prove. Simply believing that human life is sacred apparently means that I want to "get into your bedroom". Restricting abortion =/= "getting into the bedroom". Last time I checked, birth control is 100% legal and available at every drug store in America. And no one is looking in on your bedroom. Killing another live being through abortion is a different matter because at that point, there's more than 1 life in the equation, thus privacy rights can be subjugated to a higher rate, the right to life(remember, life, liberty, property in that order).

Bullshit. Conservatives believe women should be subservient to men...vessels. And calling it 'murder' doesn't make it so. The law of the land is perfectly CLEAR. Abortion is 100% legal. If you want to dictate what your family members do, go for it Adolf. But keep your fucking nose out of other people's business.

You are NO fucking liberal in any way shape or form. You are a right wing regressive turd.

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

Oh, yeah, sweetie. Aren't YOU the insightful one? Tell everyone here how I believe women should be subservient to men, and mere vessels. Because we all know how shy and retiring I am, and how I'm always deferring to men and their holy penises on everything.

God, you're brilliant. You must have been valedictorian in whatever Special Ed class you attended.

Call me the day that "it's the law of the land" EVER stops YOU from trying to illegalize something you don't like, you hypocritical puswad.

 

[Hoosier4Liberty]

Bullshit. Conservatives believe women should be subservient to men...vessels. And calling it 'murder' doesn't make it so. The law of the land is perfectly CLEAR. Abortion is 100% legal. If you want to dictate what your family members do, go for it Adolf. But keep your fucking nose out of other people's business.

You are NO fucking liberal in any way shape or form. You are a right wing regressive turd.

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

Just because something is the law doesn't mean it is right. The Supreme Court ruled in Dred Scott that blacks weren't human. Would you have said then that "The law of the land is perfectly CLEAR"? Funny you mention Adolf. He considered Jews nonhuman, and everything that he did was in concordance with German law at the time.

A classical liberal = libertarian if you don't realize it. I believe all humans are created equal, but outcomes are unequal because efforts and talents are unequal. Classical liberals believe that the government should impose as few restrictions on personal liberty as possible, which I agree with. This is why I think marijuana should be legal and that marriage shouldn't be a concern of the state, straight or gay.

Here's what you don't seem to understand. A fetus isn't some "unliving blob of tissue". It is a human being with natural rights!


https://www.google.com/search?q=abo...pg;http%3A%2F%2Fanti-abortion.info%2F;396;288

These should change your mind if you believe otherwise.

You are NOT a liberal. You are the one on the far right.

Your reasoning precisely encompasses how the left sees things. I give rational arguments explaining my side, and you then respond by ignoring my arguments and pigeonholing me into "one on the far right".

I am a classical liberal. Period.

 

[Bfgrn]

Just because something is the law doesn't mean it is right. The Supreme Court ruled in Dred Scott that blacks weren't human. Would you have said then that "The law of the land is perfectly CLEAR"? Funny you mention Adolf. He considered Jews nonhuman, and everything that he did was in concordance with German law at the time.

A classical liberal = libertarian if you don't realize it. I believe all humans are created equal, but outcomes are unequal because efforts and talents are unequal. Classical liberals believe that the government should impose as few restrictions on personal liberty as possible, which I agree with. This is why I think marijuana should be legal and that marriage shouldn't be a concern of the state, straight or gay.

Here's what you don't seem to understand. A fetus isn't some "unliving blob of tissue". It is a human being with natural rights!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOAPleF1t0
https://www.google.com/search?q=abo...pg;http%3A%2F%2Fanti-abortion.info%2F;396;288

These should change your mind if you believe otherwise.

You are NOT a liberal. You are the one on the far right.

Your reasoning precisely encompasses how the left sees things. I give rational arguments explaining my side, and you then respond by ignoring my arguments and pigeonholing me into "one on the far right".

I am a classical liberal. Period.

I don't care what you 'call' yourself. But you are not a liberal. You have zero understanding of liberalism, zero understanding of who our founding fathers were, what they believed and how they governed.

 

[The T]

But not free vaginas and uteruses. Those you want highly regulated.

Come to think of it, you want to regulate penises and anuses too.

The right seems obsessed with regulating the most private intimate parts.

They really don't believe in privacy or freedom at all.

They're for small government...small enough to fit in your bedroom or in your doctor's office.

Honey, you dragged us into your doctor's office the day you decided we the taxpayers needed to pay for your birth control. Worse, you dragged us in kicking and screaming, because you CAN'T believe any of us ever wanted to know ANYTHING about your coochie or what you did with it.

Awesome!

 

[Hoosier4Liberty]

You are NOT a liberal. You are the one on the far right.

Your reasoning precisely encompasses how the left sees things. I give rational arguments explaining my side, and you then respond by ignoring my arguments and pigeonholing me into "one on the far right".

I am a classical liberal. Period.

I don't care what you 'call' yourself. But you are not a liberal. You have zero understanding of liberalism, zero understanding of who our founding fathers were, what they believed and how they governed.

I hope you realize that in Europe and the rest of the Western world, liberals are considered what conservatives are here. For instance, in Australia, the Liberal party is considered right-wing.

 

[Bfgrn]

Your reasoning precisely encompasses how the left sees things. I give rational arguments explaining my side, and you then respond by ignoring my arguments and pigeonholing me into "one on the far right".

I am a classical liberal. Period.

I don't care what you 'call' yourself. But you are not a liberal. You have zero understanding of liberalism, zero understanding of who our founding fathers were, what they believed and how they governed.

I hope you realize that in Europe and the rest of the Western world, liberals are considered what conservatives are here. For instance, in Australia, the Liberal party is considered right-wing.

We don't live in Europe or Australia. And what a PARTY calls itself is irrelevant. Liberals and conservatives exist is all nations. And the differences have existed since man started walking upright.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil.
Liberals believe in raising people up, conservatives believe in pushing people down.
Liberals believe in encouragement, conservatives believe in scorn.
Liberals always stand up for the little guy, conservatives always stand up for the big guy.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't care what you 'call' yourself. But you are not a liberal. You have zero understanding of liberalism, zero understanding of who our founding fathers were, what they believed and how they governed.

I hope you realize that in Europe and the rest of the Western world, liberals are considered what conservatives are here. For instance, in Australia, the Liberal party is considered right-wing.

We don't live in Europe or Australia. And what a PARTY calls itself is irrelevant. Liberals and conservatives exist is all nations. And the differences have existed since man started walking upright.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives..

That would make you and your ilk conservatives. However, you just said it doesn't matter what people call themselves. Now you're saying it does.

Liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil.
Liberals believe in raising people up, conservatives believe in pushing people down.
Liberals believe in encouragement, conservatives believe in scorn.
Liberals always stand up for the little guy, conservatives always stand up for the big guy.

Yep, you're a conservative.

 

[Bfgrn]

I hope you realize that in Europe and the rest of the Western world, liberals are considered what conservatives are here. For instance, in Australia, the Liberal party is considered right-wing.

We don't live in Europe or Australia. And what a PARTY calls itself is irrelevant. Liberals and conservatives exist is all nations. And the differences have existed since man started walking upright.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives..

That would make you and your ilk conservatives. However, you just said it doesn't matter what people call themselves. Now you're saying it does.

Liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil.
Liberals believe in raising people up, conservatives believe in pushing people down.
Liberals believe in encouragement, conservatives believe in scorn.
Liberals always stand up for the little guy, conservatives always stand up for the big guy.

Yep, you're a conservative.

You are either delusional or obtuse, which one is it?

Answer before you leave for a gay rights rally...OH, you don't plan to go?

 

[ScienceRocks]

I just figured out why the flag of the tea party is a yellow flag with a snake on it. They listen to that snake for guidance and idea's.

Science comes from that snake
Moral belief comes from that snake.

 

[American4Americ]

Your reasoning precisely encompasses how the left sees things. I give rational arguments explaining my side, and you then respond by ignoring my arguments and pigeonholing me into "one on the far right".
I am a classical liberal. Period.

I don't care what you 'call' yourself. But you are not a liberal. You have zero understanding of liberalism, zero understanding of who our founding fathers were, what they believed and how they governed.

I hope you realize that in Europe and the rest of the Western world, liberals are considered what conservatives are here. For instance, in Australia, the Liberal party is considered right-wing.

Clearly one person represents the left. They are not individuals with different ways of acting, but one monolithic, homogenous hive mind (contrary to their diversity lies).