The Left hates the Middle Class

[jc456]

what do you not understand? ask questions.

The left wants the middle class to be paid more. The rich can afford it and the solution to poverty is a big middle class. No excuse if it's easy to get out of poverty. The wealth gap is a problem. Government could solve this if free market capitalism wont

The right think that's unfair. They shouldn't have to pay more even if their greed is ruining our economy.

So the right can't claim to care about the middle class. If it disappears tough.

The Middle-Class makes more than $15 hr.

That's not a lot

No kidding.....

Yet you support a party that wants to bring in millions of 'refugees' to make $15 an average wage.

When I lived in CA it was difficult to find a decent paying job because of all of the illegals that Democrats let in. They could pay them half of what I was making. I remember being paid $4 hr and the illegal in the paint booth was only making $1.50 hr. I couldn't live off of $4 dollars an hour because it was just me and my wife. The illegals lived in a single family home with 20 other people who were all making less than $3 hr. This is what CA likes. They don't like families. They like workhouses.

One of the tools conservatives have used very successfully over the past 25 years to drive down wages, bust unions, and increase CEO salaries has been to encourage illegal immigrant labor in the US. Their technique is transparently simple.

George W. Bush insulted working Americans by saying that we need eleven million illegal immigrants here in the United States because (in a slightly cleaned-up version of the more blatantly racist comments of Vicente Fox) there are some jobs that "American's won't do."

Do you remember this was the liberal position in 2006. I'm glad Trump's a liberal.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

so still nothing about how democrats help middle class. sweet.

 

[sealybobo]

At what point will you admit unregulated free market trickle down capitalism doesn't work?

At what point will you admit that flush toilets don't work?

You pose insanely stupid questions that are dishonest in construct.

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

so still no solution to offer eh? My you sure bitch a lot about something you have no idea about.

Corporations need to start paying their employees more. I like it that good help is hard to find. That alone will bring wages up. Hopefully Republicans/Corporations don't collude again to flood the market with illegal workers who undermine our middle class.

FLASHBACK: President Clinton Called for 'Deporting Twice as Many Illegal Aliens'

Bush was the one who turned a blind eye.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

This is what we were saying in 2006

Legal immigration is a good and healthy thing for a nation, because it is done at a rate and in a way that allows a country to collectively decide what sort of labor/jobs ratios it wants to maintain. Limitless illegal immigration, however, leads to the modern-day equivalent of slavery, benefiting only the conservative corporate elites.

What were you saying back then? Bullshit brah!

so all you got is to say that corporations should pay their employees more? That it? No fking ideas

Another article from back in 2006.

Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.

At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.

Between the Reagan years - when there were only around 1 to 2 million illegal aliens in our workforce - and today, we've gone from about 25 percent of our private workforce being unionized to around seven percent. Much of this is the direct result - as César Chávez predicted - of illegal immigrants competing directly with unionized and legal labor. Although it's most obvious in the construction trades over the past 30 years, it's hit all sectors of our economy.

 

[sealybobo]

The left wants the middle class to be paid more. The rich can afford it and the solution to poverty is a big middle class. No excuse if it's easy to get out of poverty. The wealth gap is a problem. Government could solve this if free market capitalism wont

The right think that's unfair. They shouldn't have to pay more even if their greed is ruining our economy.

So the right can't claim to care about the middle class. If it disappears tough.

The Middle-Class makes more than $15 hr.

That's not a lot

No kidding.....

Yet you support a party that wants to bring in millions of 'refugees' to make $15 an average wage.

When I lived in CA it was difficult to find a decent paying job because of all of the illegals that Democrats let in. They could pay them half of what I was making. I remember being paid $4 hr and the illegal in the paint booth was only making $1.50 hr. I couldn't live off of $4 dollars an hour because it was just me and my wife. The illegals lived in a single family home with 20 other people who were all making less than $3 hr. This is what CA likes. They don't like families. They like workhouses.

One of the tools conservatives have used very successfully over the past 25 years to drive down wages, bust unions, and increase CEO salaries has been to encourage illegal immigrant labor in the US. Their technique is transparently simple.

George W. Bush insulted working Americans by saying that we need eleven million illegal immigrants here in the United States because (in a slightly cleaned-up version of the more blatantly racist comments of Vicente Fox) there are some jobs that "American's won't do."

Do you remember this was the liberal position in 2006. I'm glad Trump's a liberal.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

so still nothing about how democrats help middle class. sweet.

Here is a 3rd article from 2006. So clearly you see what Trump is saying today is what we were saying during Bush's administration. Back when your head was buried in the sand.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Do you understand what you are reading? Bush basically stopped policing illegal immigration. They wanted the illegals coming in because it flooded the market. This keeps wages down. If you cons are too stupid to see that the GOP did this to us on purpose, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

 

[sealybobo]

At what point will you admit unregulated free market trickle down capitalism doesn't work?

At what point will you admit that flush toilets don't work?

You pose insanely stupid questions that are dishonest in construct.

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

so still no solution to offer eh? My you sure bitch a lot about something you have no idea about.

Corporations need to start paying their employees more. I like it that good help is hard to find. That alone will bring wages up. Hopefully Republicans/Corporations don't collude again to flood the market with illegal workers who undermine our middle class.

FLASHBACK: President Clinton Called for 'Deporting Twice as Many Illegal Aliens'

Bush was the one who turned a blind eye.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

This is what we were saying in 2006

Legal immigration is a good and healthy thing for a nation, because it is done at a rate and in a way that allows a country to collectively decide what sort of labor/jobs ratios it wants to maintain. Limitless illegal immigration, however, leads to the modern-day equivalent of slavery, benefiting only the conservative corporate elites.

What were you saying back then? Bullshit brah!

so all you got is to say that corporations should pay their employees more? That it? No fking ideas

What do you think? Nothing? Then stfu.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

I'm just saying that when toilets clog and back up, it's clear we should shit in the woods and wipe with pine cones.

You leftists are too stupid to be part of a civilized world - simple fact.

they have absolutely zero ideas.

Capitalism has flaws, it's just a hell of a lot better than whatever comes second.

by leaps and bounds.

Yea but Canada and Australia are capitalism too, right? So there are different levels of capitalism. China is even capitalism. So I guess not all capitalism is created equal. And it all depends on who you are. If you are the top 1% America has the best capitalism. If you are middle class or poor, America might not be the best place for you to be born.

And while you arrogantly reply "leaps and bounds", maybe you aught to consider this

America Is Not the Greatest Country on Earth. It’s No. 28

 

[sealybobo]

Is Capitalism the best way to run public schools and healthcare? Probably not. Best way to run an election? Probably not a good idea to let for profit corporations run our elections yet that's exactly what we do now with these voting machines.

For profit companies run our prison? Not a good idea.

And to not regulate the energy companies? Are you nuts?

 

[Brain357]

The left wants the middle class to be paid more. The rich can afford it and the solution to poverty is a big middle class. No excuse if it's easy to get out of poverty. The wealth gap is a problem. Government could solve this if free market capitalism wont

The right think that's unfair. They shouldn't have to pay more even if their greed is ruining our economy.

So the right can't claim to care about the middle class. If it disappears tough.

The Middle-Class makes more than $15 hr.

That's not a lot

No kidding.....

Yet you support a party that wants to bring in millions of 'refugees' to make $15 an average wage.

When I lived in CA it was difficult to find a decent paying job because of all of the illegals that Democrats let in. They could pay them half of what I was making. I remember being paid $4 hr and the illegal in the paint booth was only making $1.50 hr. I couldn't live off of $4 dollars an hour because it was just me and my wife. The illegals lived in a single family home with 20 other people who were all making less than $3 hr. This is what CA likes. They don't like families. They like workhouses.

One of the tools conservatives have used very successfully over the past 25 years to drive down wages, bust unions, and increase CEO salaries has been to encourage illegal immigrant labor in the US. Their technique is transparently simple.

George W. Bush insulted working Americans by saying that we need eleven million illegal immigrants here in the United States because (in a slightly cleaned-up version of the more blatantly racist comments of Vicente Fox) there are some jobs that "American's won't do."

Do you remember this was the liberal position in 2006. I'm glad Trump's a liberal.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

so still nothing about how democrats help middle class. sweet.

Dems want To increase min wage.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

I'm just saying that when toilets clog and back up, it's clear we should shit in the woods and wipe with pine cones.

You leftists are too stupid to be part of a civilized world - simple fact.

they have absolutely zero ideas.

Capitalism has flaws, it's just a hell of a lot better than whatever comes second.

Are all Capitalism's equal?

Founded in 1949 as a hardline socialist country, the People's Republic of China has steadily embraced the tenets of capitalism, especially since economic reforms were enacted in 1978. Today, China's economy is the second-largest in the world and will likely overtake the U.S. sometime this century.Oct 10, 2015

So is China the best capitalist country in the world?

 

[sealybobo]

At what point will you admit unregulated free market trickle down capitalism doesn't work?

At what point will you admit that flush toilets don't work?

You pose insanely stupid questions that are dishonest in construct.

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

so still no solution to offer eh? My you sure bitch a lot about something you have no idea about.

Corporations need to start paying their employees more. I like it that good help is hard to find. That alone will bring wages up. Hopefully Republicans/Corporations don't collude again to flood the market with illegal workers who undermine our middle class.

FLASHBACK: President Clinton Called for 'Deporting Twice as Many Illegal Aliens'

Bush was the one who turned a blind eye.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

This is what we were saying in 2006

Legal immigration is a good and healthy thing for a nation, because it is done at a rate and in a way that allows a country to collectively decide what sort of labor/jobs ratios it wants to maintain. Limitless illegal immigration, however, leads to the modern-day equivalent of slavery, benefiting only the conservative corporate elites.

What were you saying back then? Bullshit brah!

so all you got is to say that corporations should pay their employees more? That it? No fking ideas

What do you think we should do, unionize? We may have to if they don't take my advice.

 

[rightwinger]

 

[Dschrute3]

This current Welfare/Warfare State is working 'well' for the very poor and very wealthy. However, it's failing the in-between Middle Class miserably. The Middle Class is being mugged and left for dead. And their the Working-class backbone of the nation.

The very poor have $Billions in Government Entitlements. And the very wealthy are always gonna get theirs. But who's looking out for the in-between Middle Class? The answer is, no one at this point. And that's why the Collapse is inevitable. It's very sad, but it is what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

 

[sealybobo]

This current Welfare/Warfare State is working 'well' for the very poor and very wealthy. However, it's failing the in-between Middle Class miserably. The Middle Class is being mugged and left for dead. And their the Working-class backbone of the nation.

The very poor have $Billions in Government Entitlements. And the very wealthy are always gonna get theirs. But who's looking out for the in-between Middle Class? The answer is, no one at this point. And that's why the Collapse is inevitable. It's very sad, but it is what it is.

Most of us in the middle class don't want to fuck the poor to save a few bucks in taxes. It is the rich who have pitted us again the poor. And it is their policies that are pushing many of us in the middle class into poverty.

a. Send jobs overseas
b. Don't give raises even when profits are up, all while CEO pay has skyrocketed.
c. Hire illegals
D. Break unions
E. Hire temps instead of employees
F. Raise healthcare costs on the middle class. How much have employers raise healthare costs in the last 20 years? A lot. Companies used to pay for healthcare, now they just contribute. This hasn't hurt the CEO who's pay has gone up 300% in the last 20 years but this has royally fucked workers and the middle class.

You can cut welfare all you want, its not going to make the middle class better. But the CEO's could pay us more. A lot of companies are starting to do this.

 

[sealybobo]

At what point will you admit unregulated free market trickle down capitalism doesn't work?

At what point will you admit that flush toilets don't work?

You pose insanely stupid questions that are dishonest in construct.

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

so still no solution to offer eh? My you sure bitch a lot about something you have no idea about.

1. Break down the social barriers

One of the reasons income inequality persists is that people don't realize how wide the gap between rich and poor has become. A solution: We should get out of our collective comfort zone and create conversations across the income divide.

2. Improve public schools; unify them

There's no surer ticket out of poverty than a solid education. But that education has to be affordable (modern college isn't) and it has to be equally distributed. It would be impossible to argue that's true of America's public schools, which are supported by property taxes. Big houses equal better schools. And poorer kids, of course, lose out. That's a tragedy, and leads, according to a recent Stanford study, to poorer students who are years behind their richer peers.

In Lake Providence, richer kids go to a private school, which has no formal scholarship program. Poorer students go to a public school that does not perform as well. Education should be a great equalizer, not a source of division. The community would benefit from closing its private school, Briarfield Academy, and creating a shared asset in the public school system. Right now, as some locals explained it to me, the business community and richer families have almost no reason to fully invest in the public schools.

3. Raise the minimum wage to 1960s levels, at least

The fast-food workers are right: It's impossible to live on today's minimum wage, which is substantially lower, when adjusted for inflation, than it was in the late 1960s. I'm not sure what the magic number should be, but I know I met several people in Lake Providence who live at or slightly above the federal minimum of $7.25 per hour and who can't pay their bills. It's not even close. One woman, Delores Gilmore, 44, works overnight as a prison guard making $8.50 per hour. She has to choose which bills to pay. At previous jobs, she was not always able to afford underwear for her children because money was so tight.

The U.S. minimum wage is worth less now than it was in the 1960s.

It's convenient for employers to argue they can't pay higher wages. Their profits indicate otherwise. The American dream is to work hard and get ahead. That is not a reality today, even for people who are working full-time.

4. Tax the rich at a reasonable rate

Tax rates on the very rich are so low that billionaire Warren Buffett says he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. That has not always been the case.

The top marginal tax rate has dropped considerably since the late 1970s, according to the Tax Policy Center.

It's clear the rich are getting a big break on their taxes and should be paying more. The idea isn't to take so much money that taxation, in and of itself, closes the income gap. It's to use that tax money to fund programs, like public education, that could give everyone a fair shot at success in an economy that only serves the very wealthy.

5. Give workers a voice in their companies

Union membership is way down since more equal times. In the early 1960s, nearly 35% of workers were members of unions, according to data compiled by the Economic Policy Institute. By 2008, that number had plunged to less than 15%. As union membership declined, workers' voices shrank to a whisper. Meanwhile, the economy, over that same period, pushed a greater and greater share of money to the richest Americans.

A narrow majority -- 51% -- of Americans view unions in a favorable light, according to a Pew Research Center survey from June 2013. That number is up compared to previous surveys, and that's good news. But for those who continue to see unions as inefficient or annoying, there are other ways to give workers a voice, such as supporting employee-owned companies. Publix Super Markets, for example, employs more than 160,000 people and made $27.5 billion in retail sales in 2012. It's also owned by its employees, which means they are involved in decisions about how the company is managed.

6. Reign in crazy-huge donations to political campaigns

Rich people these days have the ability and access to essentially buy -- or heavily influence -- political campaigns. Take a look at the recent numbers:

Elections in the United States are more expensive now than before, giving greater sway to the rich.

Limits on campaign spending would help level the playing field, ensuring that the majority of the people -- not the minority of the rich -- elect our representatives.

7. Give money to the poor -- maybe at random

When I was in Lake Providence, a man who lives on the richer side of the lake told me you could drop millions on the poorer side of the lake, come back in a year, and absolutely nothing would have changed.

Poor would blow it on drugs and cars, he said.

Turns out, randomly giving poorer people cash as a form of charity may not be such a bad idea. A nonprofit called Give Directly, which recently was featured on NPR's "This American Life", is experimenting with the concept and seeing promising results. So far, the group's experiment is limited to Kenya, and there's no precedent for giving money at random to poor people in the United States, one of its founders told me. But, on its website, Give Directly presents a compelling case for help by lottery. "Cash transfers" have been shown, for instance, to reduce HIV infection rates in Malawi and reduce the incidence of low birth weight in Uruguay. The point to me is not exactly how a program like this should work but that when we trust people -- when we see them as equals -- they can succeed.

In 2013 America, and in Lake Providence, we've stopped seeing each other that way. We see rich and poor. We assume that these divisions are inevitable.

They don't have to be.

 

[Dschrute3]

This current Welfare/Warfare State is working 'well' for the very poor and very wealthy. However, it's failing the in-between Middle Class miserably. The Middle Class is being mugged and left for dead. And their the Working-class backbone of the nation.

The very poor have $Billions in Government Entitlements. And the very wealthy are always gonna get theirs. But who's looking out for the in-between Middle Class? The answer is, no one at this point. And that's why the Collapse is inevitable. It's very sad, but it is what it is.

Most of us in the middle class don't want to fuck the poor to save a few bucks in taxes. It is the rich who have pitted us again the poor. And it is their policies that are pushing many of us in the middle class into poverty.

a. Send jobs overseas
b. Don't give raises even when profits are up, all while CEO pay has skyrocketed.
c. Hire illegals
D. Break unions
E. Hire temps instead of employees
F. Raise healthcare costs on the middle class. How much have employers raise healthare costs in the last 20 years? A lot. Companies used to pay for healthcare, now they just contribute. This hasn't hurt the CEO who's pay has gone up 300% in the last 20 years but this has royally fucked workers and the middle class.

You can cut welfare all you want, its not going to make the middle class better. But the CEO's could pay us more. A lot of companies are starting to do this.

This current Welfare/Warfare State is actually working out ok for the very poor. Our Government spends several $Billions on Government Entitlements. And you're right about the wealthy getting theirs. They always do. But the hard-working Middle Class is being mugged. And it's they who fund the massive spending.

So once they go, it's all over. That'll be the Collapse. Right now, you have a nation who's very poor and very wealthy are actually doing relatively 'well.' But the Middle Class is suffering immensely. If that's not addressed soon, the Collapse will be coming soon. It is what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

This current Welfare/Warfare State is working 'well' for the very poor and very wealthy. However, it's failing the in-between Middle Class miserably. The Middle Class is being mugged and left for dead. And their the Working-class backbone of the nation.

The very poor have $Billions in Government Entitlements. And the very wealthy are always gonna get theirs. But who's looking out for the in-between Middle Class? The answer is, no one at this point. And that's why the Collapse is inevitable. It's very sad, but it is what it is.

Most of us in the middle class don't want to fuck the poor to save a few bucks in taxes. It is the rich who have pitted us again the poor. And it is their policies that are pushing many of us in the middle class into poverty.

a. Send jobs overseas
b. Don't give raises even when profits are up, all while CEO pay has skyrocketed.
c. Hire illegals
D. Break unions
E. Hire temps instead of employees
F. Raise healthcare costs on the middle class. How much have employers raise healthare costs in the last 20 years? A lot. Companies used to pay for healthcare, now they just contribute. This hasn't hurt the CEO who's pay has gone up 300% in the last 20 years but this has royally fucked workers and the middle class.

You can cut welfare all you want, its not going to make the middle class better. But the CEO's could pay us more. A lot of companies are starting to do this.

A key is...Don't let your employees get comfortable

Keep them in fear of losing their jobs. Pit one against the others and make it clear.....You can be replaced

 

[rightwinger]

This current Welfare/Warfare State is working 'well' for the very poor and very wealthy. However, it's failing the in-between Middle Class miserably. The Middle Class is being mugged and left for dead. And their the Working-class backbone of the nation.

The very poor have $Billions in Government Entitlements. And the very wealthy are always gonna get theirs. But who's looking out for the in-between Middle Class? The answer is, no one at this point. And that's why the Collapse is inevitable. It's very sad, but it is what it is.

Most of us in the middle class don't want to fuck the poor to save a few bucks in taxes. It is the rich who have pitted us again the poor. And it is their policies that are pushing many of us in the middle class into poverty.

a. Send jobs overseas
b. Don't give raises even when profits are up, all while CEO pay has skyrocketed.
c. Hire illegals
D. Break unions
E. Hire temps instead of employees
F. Raise healthcare costs on the middle class. How much have employers raise healthare costs in the last 20 years? A lot. Companies used to pay for healthcare, now they just contribute. This hasn't hurt the CEO who's pay has gone up 300% in the last 20 years but this has royally fucked workers and the middle class.

You can cut welfare all you want, its not going to make the middle class better. But the CEO's could pay us more. A lot of companies are starting to do this.

This current Welfare/Warfare State is actually working out ok for the very poor. Our Government spends several $Billions on Government Entitlements. And you're right about the wealthy getting theirs. They always do. But the hard-working Middle Class is being mugged. And it's they who fund the massive spending.

So once they go, it's all over. That'll be the Collapse. Right now, you have a nation who's very poor and very wealthy are actually doing relatively 'well.' But the Middle Class is suffering immensely. If that's not addressed soon, the Collapse will be coming soon. It is what it is.

The rich are doing better than ever
The poor are receiving the same benefits they always have

It is the middle class who have seen their wages stagnate, their health insurance cut, their retirement system evaporate

 

[jc456]

The Middle-Class makes more than $15 hr.

That's not a lot

No kidding.....

Yet you support a party that wants to bring in millions of 'refugees' to make $15 an average wage.

When I lived in CA it was difficult to find a decent paying job because of all of the illegals that Democrats let in. They could pay them half of what I was making. I remember being paid $4 hr and the illegal in the paint booth was only making $1.50 hr. I couldn't live off of $4 dollars an hour because it was just me and my wife. The illegals lived in a single family home with 20 other people who were all making less than $3 hr. This is what CA likes. They don't like families. They like workhouses.

One of the tools conservatives have used very successfully over the past 25 years to drive down wages, bust unions, and increase CEO salaries has been to encourage illegal immigrant labor in the US. Their technique is transparently simple.

George W. Bush insulted working Americans by saying that we need eleven million illegal immigrants here in the United States because (in a slightly cleaned-up version of the more blatantly racist comments of Vicente Fox) there are some jobs that "American's won't do."

Do you remember this was the liberal position in 2006. I'm glad Trump's a liberal.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

so still nothing about how democrats help middle class. sweet.

Here is a 3rd article from 2006. So clearly you see what Trump is saying today is what we were saying during Bush's administration. Back when your head was buried in the sand.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Do you understand what you are reading? Bush basically stopped policing illegal immigration. They wanted the illegals coming in because it flooded the market. This keeps wages down. If you cons are too stupid to see that the GOP did this to us on purpose, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

funny they don't vote republican and they, republicans, give them their jobs as you say? wow, dude I just have to laugh at your stupid.

 

[jc456]

The Middle-Class makes more than $15 hr.

That's not a lot

No kidding.....

Yet you support a party that wants to bring in millions of 'refugees' to make $15 an average wage.

When I lived in CA it was difficult to find a decent paying job because of all of the illegals that Democrats let in. They could pay them half of what I was making. I remember being paid $4 hr and the illegal in the paint booth was only making $1.50 hr. I couldn't live off of $4 dollars an hour because it was just me and my wife. The illegals lived in a single family home with 20 other people who were all making less than $3 hr. This is what CA likes. They don't like families. They like workhouses.

One of the tools conservatives have used very successfully over the past 25 years to drive down wages, bust unions, and increase CEO salaries has been to encourage illegal immigrant labor in the US. Their technique is transparently simple.

George W. Bush insulted working Americans by saying that we need eleven million illegal immigrants here in the United States because (in a slightly cleaned-up version of the more blatantly racist comments of Vicente Fox) there are some jobs that "American's won't do."

Do you remember this was the liberal position in 2006. I'm glad Trump's a liberal.

Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon

so still nothing about how democrats help middle class. sweet.

Dems want To increase min wage.

and that will destroy the economics. So way too smart of an effort there unless destruction of the middle class is what you're looking for.

 

[jc456]

I'm just saying when the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger at what point would you say your way isn't working. I'll tell you when. If you are a libertarian, never. The answer from them is always "we didn't deregulate enough" Why didn't GW Bush do well? He didn't go far enough. That's what RWNJ's are convinced.

The Real Reason for the Growing Gap Between Rich and Poor

I'm just saying that when toilets clog and back up, it's clear we should shit in the woods and wipe with pine cones.

You leftists are too stupid to be part of a civilized world - simple fact.

they have absolutely zero ideas.

Capitalism has flaws, it's just a hell of a lot better than whatever comes second.

by leaps and bounds.

Yea but Canada and Australia are capitalism too, right? So there are different levels of capitalism. China is even capitalism. So I guess not all capitalism is created equal. And it all depends on who you are. If you are the top 1% America has the best capitalism. If you are middle class or poor, America might not be the best place for you to be born.

And while you arrogantly reply "leaps and bounds", maybe you aught to consider this

America Is Not the Greatest Country on Earth. It’s No. 28

sure it is, otherwise the world wouldn't A) want to destroy us and B) come here to reap the rewards. So not sure who the fk you think you're talking to, but I know you picked the wrong guy in me.