The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the fact Charles Winters was not prosecuted for his obvious violations of law and treaty

What laws? What treaties? Link?

 

[Rigby5]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

 

[Indeependent]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

Why not bring up a document from 1922 where the Arabs living in the area did not yet establish a nation?
O! You did!
You are stupid.

 

[Rigby5]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

What do you think the British Mandate for Palestine was, if not to help the Palestinians for a government?

There certainly was no possible legitimacy for a Zionist government since the Zionists were all illegal immigrants without any historic ties to the Mideast at all.
Ashkenazi come from Poland and Russia, not the Mideast.
They have no more Mideast DNA than Hitler did.

What do you think the British Mandate for Palestine was, if not to help the Palestinians for a government?

Homeland for the Jews. It was in all the papers.

There certainly was no possible legitimacy for a Zionist government since the Zionists were all illegal immigrants

You ran away before without showing any were illegal immigrants. Why?

Wrong.
The Jews had not helped fight in WWI, so was due nothing.
It was the Arabs who fought with Lawrence of Arabia, and the deal was for an independent Arab Palestine in return.
It was never in the papers that Jews were to have their own sovereignty.
A Jewish homeland is a reservation, like for the Bantu in South Africa.
The Balfour Declaration was only about facilitated immigration.

 

[Rigby5]

And the fact Charles Winters was not prosecuted for his obvious violations of law and treaty

What laws? What treaties? Link?

I already listed the laws, treaties, and British statements, so you clearly are just spamming.

 

[Rigby5]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

Why not bring up a document from 1922 where the Arabs living in the area did not yet establish a nation?
O! You did!
You are stupid.

The nation of Palestine was created by the 1920 treaties.
What the Palestinians had not yet created was a government, so then the British were mandated to hold their hand until they were ready.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine.

Wholly? Where did Transjordan come from?

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian

And?

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.

But enough about Jordan.

The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

And?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

What do you think the British Mandate for Palestine was, if not to help the Palestinians for a government?

There certainly was no possible legitimacy for a Zionist government since the Zionists were all illegal immigrants without any historic ties to the Mideast at all.
Ashkenazi come from Poland and Russia, not the Mideast.
They have no more Mideast DNA than Hitler did.

What do you think the British Mandate for Palestine was, if not to help the Palestinians for a government?

Homeland for the Jews. It was in all the papers.

There certainly was no possible legitimacy for a Zionist government since the Zionists were all illegal immigrants

You ran away before without showing any were illegal immigrants. Why?

Wrong.
The Jews had not helped fight in WWI, so was due nothing.
It was the Arabs who fought with Lawrence of Arabia, and the deal was for an independent Arab Palestine in return.
It was never in the papers that Jews were to have their own sovereignty.
A Jewish homeland is a reservation, like for the Bantu in South Africa.
The Balfour Declaration was only about facilitated immigration.

The Jews had not helped fight in WWI, so was due nothing.

How many Palestinians fought? Couple of dozen?

It was never in the papers that Jews were to have their own sovereignty.

Liar.

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the fact Charles Winters was not prosecuted for his obvious violations of law and treaty

What laws? What treaties? Link?

I already listed the laws, treaties, and British statements, so you clearly are just spamming.

What law did Winters violate? What treaty?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

Why not bring up a document from 1922 where the Arabs living in the area did not yet establish a nation?
O! You did!
You are stupid.

The nation of Palestine was created by the 1920 treaties.
What the Palestinians had not yet created was a government, so then the British were mandated to hold their hand until they were ready.

They were ready in May 1948.

Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Arab "Palestinians", still not ready.......

 

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

 

[Rigby5]

And the fact Charles Winters was not prosecuted for his obvious violations of law and treaty

What laws? What treaties? Link?

I already listed the laws, treaties, and British statements, so you clearly are just spamming.

What law did Winters violate? What treaty?

There was a UN embargo on arms to the Mideast participants in hostilities.
As a signature of the UN, that made it illegal under US law.

 

[Rigby5]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

Why not bring up a document from 1922 where the Arabs living in the area did not yet establish a nation?
O! You did!
You are stupid.

The nation of Palestine was created by the 1920 treaties.
What the Palestinians had not yet created was a government, so then the British were mandated to hold their hand until they were ready.

They were ready in May 1948.

Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Arab "Palestinians", still not ready.......

Obviously the Palestinians are not ready because they were illegally invaded by Israel.
To be ready, they would need arms and an army that could defend themselves.
And the illegal occupation by Israel prevents that.

 

[toastman]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

Where does it say that Israel won that war?

In the beginning where it says Result: Israeli victory. It also says Palestinian Arab defeat..

let me guess, you’re going to twist the word ‘victory’ and claim it doesn’t mean ‘to win’... right Tinmore ?

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Wow, that was an act of desperation Tinmore. Really??

How about this:

“Another factor that contributed to the 1948 defeat”

Why the Arabs were defeated

Historians argue the reasons behind Arab losses against Israel in 1948.

www.aljazeera.com

This article comes from your favourite source, Al Jazeera. The entire article is based on why the Arabs lost and Israel won.

From the same article :


The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They did not meet their goals . You don’t have to lose territory to lose a war .
You lost the argument Tinmore, again.
Nice duck BTW

Turn it around. What did Israel win and from whom?

They met their goals, which was to repel the Arab armies . Simple as that.

That wasn't the question.

You keep posting under the false premise that Israel had to physically win something in order to win the war . Wars are won or lost based on goals that are met or not. I provided several links already to back up my statement that Israel win the 1948 war, you have provided Nothing but ducks and dancing !

Holy obfuscation, Batman.

Yet another duck by Tinmore. What’s the record for ducks by one poster in one thread? It must be Tinmore.
Whenever he loses an argument, he tries to retreat by accusing the other poster is ducking .
I’m still waiting for just one link to contradict what I posted Tinmore . Just one..

No, you just are trying to move away from my questions.

I have answered everything you have asked me and provided several links. You have provided NOTHING . Just ducking and dancing. Now you are accusing me of exactly what you are doing , trying to retreat when you know you lost ..

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

What did Egypt lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Syria lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Lebanon lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They got their ass kicked.

How is that relevant?
Clearly Israel had the latest US weapons, while the Arab states had old surplus that was decades obsolete.

Israel was not only outnumbered and outgunned, but they had to goth The war on all front. They were completely surrounded by the Srabs, yet still managed to fend them off ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the fact Charles Winters was not prosecuted for his obvious violations of law and treaty

What laws? What treaties? Link?

I already listed the laws, treaties, and British statements, so you clearly are just spamming.

What law did Winters violate? What treaty?

There was a UN embargo on arms to the Mideast participants in hostilities.
As a signature of the UN, that made it illegal under US law.

There was a UN embargo on arms to the Mideast participants in hostilities.

Hostilities? You mean when the couple of dozen Arabs invaded?

Now you said Israel got 50 bombers and 50 Mustangs from the US.
What did they really get? 3 or 4? LOL!

 

[Rigby5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

Where does it say that Israel won that war?

In the beginning where it says Result: Israeli victory. It also says Palestinian Arab defeat..

let me guess, you’re going to twist the word ‘victory’ and claim it doesn’t mean ‘to win’... right Tinmore ?

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Wow, that was an act of desperation Tinmore. Really??

How about this:

“Another factor that contributed to the 1948 defeat”

Why the Arabs were defeated

Historians argue the reasons behind Arab losses against Israel in 1948.

www.aljazeera.com

This article comes from your favourite source, Al Jazeera. The entire article is based on why the Arabs lost and Israel won.

From the same article :


The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They did not meet their goals . You don’t have to lose territory to lose a war .
You lost the argument Tinmore, again.
Nice duck BTW

Turn it around. What did Israel win and from whom?

They survived and held most of their territory against 5 Arab Armies.

Wrong.
No one attacked Israel.
Zionists were massacring Arab villages in Israel and Egypt, Syria, and Joran tried to stop it.
That is all that happened.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine legally existed in 1920 by the Allies and Axis powers signing the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

You're lying.

There were not to be any Jewish involvement in the government of Palestine.

What government of Palestine?

You are obviously confused.
The only way to learn the truth is by reading what the British had to say about the British Mandate for Palestine.
So the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 is a quick synopsis.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
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That clearly proves Palestine was to be Moslem Arab, independent rule.
Jews were only to be allowed facilitated immigration to a Jewish homeland WITHIN this independent Moslem, Arab, Palestine.
The Zionist Organization has pledged to never want any participation in rule, in the 1921 Carlsbad conference.

Why not bring up a document from 1922 where the Arabs living in the area did not yet establish a nation?
O! You did!
You are stupid.

The nation of Palestine was created by the 1920 treaties.
What the Palestinians had not yet created was a government, so then the British were mandated to hold their hand until they were ready.

They were ready in May 1948.

Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Arab "Palestinians", still not ready.......

Obviously the Palestinians are not ready because they were illegally invaded by Israel.
To be ready, they would need arms and an army that could defend themselves.
And the illegal occupation by Israel prevents that.

Obviously the Palestinians are not ready because they were illegally invaded by Israel.

Back in the 1920s, when the nation of Palestine was created by treaty? Sneaky Jews.

To be ready, they would need arms and an army that could defend themselves.

And they'd have to work at it. Their whining doesn't count as work.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......